But Boris Johnson said the border between NI and the Republic would be like moving between Camden and Westminster. I'm sure a border within the UK itself can only be even easier.
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But Boris Johnson said the border between NI and the Republic would be like moving between Camden and Westminster. I'm sure a border within the UK itself can only be even easier.
How does JRM get away with talking such rubbish:
A couple of gems
"Once we're outside the EU, Dover will have to become a streamlined port otherwise they'll lose business to other ports "
Which other port would this be that connects to Calais and would also be "streamlined" - this is criminal negligence and he should be strung up.
"There will be some changes" - understatement of the century ,you won't know what's hit you!
A couple of gems
"Once we're outside the EU, Dover will have to become a streamlined port otherwise they'll lose business to other ports "
Which other port would this be that connects to Calais and would also be "streamlined" - this is criminal negligence and he should be strung up.
"There will be some changes" - understatement of the century ,you won't know what's hit you!
So wher do you think there is give in the eu? On any indifference?
But Boris Johnson said the border between NI and the Republic would be like moving between Camden and Westminster. I'm sure a border within the UK itself can only be even easier.
Your going to have to check every single other boat and plane coming in. Adding the few coming in from NI isn't going to require drastically more infrastructure or work than for the rest of the world. Policing a border that passes through peoples back gardens and all sorts of ridiculous places isn't going to be easy tbf. The political fallout of fecking it up isn't as high. The DUP being a bit miffed at the conservatives isn't the end of the world.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking Jacob Rees-Mogg gives a single feck if it all goes horribly. I’d make any wager out there that he’s banking on exactly that, and would come out the other side considerably richer as a result of an economic crash. He might play the eccentric fool sometimes, but he knows exactly what he’s doing.
You have admitted in this thread you would have voted for Cameron, the man that delivered brexit. You can have no complaints.
Has there been any physical construction going on in Dover for this? Even any plans for any expansion? One would think that 2 years after the vote and with 10 months to go the people advocating this stuff would at least try to make reality size up to it...
I agree he's not doing it for the benefit of the country but for his own benefit , but what irks me is that no-one challenges him sufficiently, why are people so stupid as to believe a word of what he says, it's so obvious he is talking absolute rubbish.
I may have voted for Cameron if I had voted and would have made the mistake of overestimating the intelligence of the average Brit. One thing is for sure I would not have voted for the current Tory government and I wouldn't have voted for Milliband or Corbyn so even if I still lived in the UK my vote would now be completely futile.
I am not complaining from a personal point of view because it won't affect me other than seeing the country I grew up in have a death wish to destroy itself.
Nothing has been done at all anywhere to cope with what will happen after Brexit, I get the impression that they think hardly anything will change, a rude awakening is highly likely, life in the UK will never be the same again. People still think it's scaremongering and exaggeration.
They wont need it if they stay in the CU and SM will they?
If they stay in the CU/SM then they're still basically in the EU with less privileges and paying more with no voice, therefore Brexit being a waste of time and money but it's really now the only option other than no deal.
Wow, so much blame to the EU in that post when it was the UK who chose to leave.
UK apply to quit EU
UK wants to be in the union customs
UK needs the 4 freedoms to remain into the union customs
UK don't want at least 1 of the 4 freedoms ergo can't remain into the union customs
UK does not want a hard border in NI
UK can't avoid having a hard border in NI if is not in the union customs
Is in my understanding that: What is the UK want? what is the UK expect to lose from a no deal Brexit. here are only losers in this so they have nothing to gain from no deal. so what a REALISTIC proposition has the UK to offer?
Not the other way around Stanley
It was pretty much always the only alternative to no deal. Its a foundation point to build a deal on, until one or the other is chosen nothing can be planned for really. The have cake and eat it strategy was always idiotic. Your negotiating with 27 countries any one of which can torpedo a deal.
Well I'm quite interested how all these losers will react to no deal. If its impact free for the eu then just walk away, sort your issues in italy first as that might have a massive impact. But dealing with big issues has never been something the eu do well.
Paraphrasing the brexiteers (among them you),no deal is better than a bad deal.
Get the UK have an special deal after they had been pissing on the EU constantly even having a preference treatment would tear apart the union that would seem that every country could throw a tantrum article 50 style to get what they want. So yes, the impact of reaching an agreement where politically the union would be losing and UK winning is worse than no deal.
I don't even know what I am doing defending the EU, but who caused this was UK and not because UK offers something, the EU should accept it. UK has to propose something that should be good enough for the EU, not good enough for the UK. If they can find a solution that would be good enough for both, perfect, but meanwhile, as is not the case, the ones that should be losing in the deal is the UK, not the EU
But yes, keep blaming who didn't start this. Is like asking the girlfriend permission to feck other girls while being with her "but honey, having sex with me is better than not having sex"
The main problems are legal, so all these talks about winners, losers and else are at this point more childish than anything else. The UK's only propositions create legal voids where neither the UK nor the EU could effectively protect themselves or each others, there is also the little problem that all alternatives lead to one or both sides not respecting pre-existent treaties and international rules. I already mentioned it earlier but the Good Friday agreement is solely based on a reality where all parties are within the SM/EUCU legal framework, it's literally impossible to leave that framework and maintain the agreement. So the solutions available to the UK and NI aren't infinite.
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Westminster doesn't give a shit about NI and it having a hard border, if they did then there never would've been a referendum in the first place. They're only having to push so hard for solutions because the EU are demanding it before they get to move forward with any other talks.
If people really understood what no deal actually means they wouldn't consider it for one second (Other than people like JRM). As JPR says keeping the GFA and leaving the CM/SU legal framework are incompatible. The EU are trying to find an arrangement so that Ireland doesn't lose out and that the GFA is maintained.
The UK has not come up with any sensible proposal but they insist they are leaving the CU/SM.
Well it was Tusk that said there were only losers, so if one doesn't want to be a loser then one has to do something about it.
The UK are a sovereign country, there is nothing the EU can do to prevent both sides from losing. The only thing possible is to limit potential damages.
There are only losers, thats obvious. It'll be a disaster for the UK whatever the outcome and whats bad for them is bad for the rest of the EU. The only people who don't seem to recognise that are the conservative party.
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And he is right. Whatever happens, will only be losers, but each part will try to lose as least as possible and all the options that UK is proposing, damages the EU more than if it would not be a deal. Understanding damage as economically, political consequences for the union, etc...
So as long the UK does not propose a REALISTIC option that is better for the EU than having no deal, the UK is the responsible, not the other way around.
Blaming the EU for the shitshow and saying that the ball is on the EU roof is ridiculous
Also remember that Frotage is chasing German citizenship.
I don't wish these people well.
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Wonder if the UK have signed their free trade agreement yet with the USA, oops the USA have just imposed some tariffs.
Brexit rats hastily arranging their exit routes. Big surprise!
This tweet sums my feelings. Brexiteers say we should take them and brexiteers seriously and produce shit like this.
Please watch this conversation, both videos.
When I first saw DD's "idea", I thought it was a joke reporting by the Sun, but it is actually being seriously considered by the government.
I don't know who that woman is but obviously she is a extremely thick, as thick as mince Davis.
Is there anyone on the Brexit side who actually understands what the problem is?
How is it that people on the Brexit side continue to be able to talk so much rubbish.
It has turned the UK into a laughing stock.
I still think that it's a joke that nobody understood. His solution to the Irish border is to put two borders...
I mean she is sorta of correct. There really is only four possible but also impossible solutions(For various political reasons)to the NI border.
1)A United Ireland
2)A hard border
3)Norway style deal/staying in the single market
4)Not going through with process.
So it shouldn't really be a surprise we are spending most of the time putting forward and dismissing shite alternatives.
2 and 3 are the same.
Yes, there is a border between Norway and the EU with border checks. And Norway aren't in the Custom Union. To put it simply this isn't a Norway deal nor a Norway deal plus or any other nonsense, it's EU membership.
Why not make it three borders and have no-go areas in between . I think very few people have understood what the problem is.
So the next few weeks the cabinet will be discussing more fantasy stuff and again it will be dismissed out of hand by the EU as soon as it is presented.
Either everyone is a simpleton in the UK government or they're just hoping all these delays will get them through the next election.
Reality is going to hit a lot of people very hard very soon.
It's going to have to be sort of a deal like Norway
Michel Barnier
And this from the economist
https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/02/22/norwegian-lessons-for-brexit-britain
A lot people in the Westminster bubble are simpletons and the biggest idiots shout the loudest and get the most airtime.
Economics, Brexit-style.
