If May resigned, he'd absolutely win the leadership election. Assuming it's put to party members.
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I know, I've spent years hating how ludicrous and just plain inefficient it is for a handful of the Eton privileged to have so much influence, but I agree, he has a way with him. As for winning an election it would come down to who the floating voters trusted to better run the country, McDonnell and Corbyn, or him.
Charming 
It doesn't take much reading to see that Rees-Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime is a dangerous faux-religious hypocrite who uses Christianity as a catch-all excuse for many of his policies whilst conveniently forgetting it with others.
Double-breasted suits and a toffee mouth do not equate to charming.
It doesn't take much reading to see that Rees-Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime is a dangerous faux-religious hypocrite who uses Christianity as a catch-all excuse for many of his policies whilst conveniently forgetting it with others.
Double-breasted suits and a toffee mouth do not equate to charming.
Surely there must be one decent politician in the whole of the UK (of any party) who could lead the country well - I can't think of any.
Charming is not the word that jumps to mind when I think of Jacob Rees-Mogg.
He's a dour Bertie Wooster without a shred of humour.
Still can't fathom how he is deemed an affable eccentric, when he has some of the most odious primitive views on abortion and the like.
I guess he has more character than May, which isn't hard, and is massively pro-Brexit, which is probably all that is needed for some voters tbf.
That’s ok, they’ll just tell us it was a natural realignment that was going to happen regardless, like when the pound plummeted after the Brexit vote.
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Bank of England governor Mark Carney says Brexit means real household incomes are about £900 lower than forecast in May 2016, "which is a lot of money"
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...nd-brexit-commonwealth?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
You couldn’t make it up...
You couldn’t make it up...
Those idiots, choosing 450m people and $16bn ahead of 65m people and $4m, I mean, who could possibly have seen this coming?
I get the impression the group of countries with which Liam Fox manages to sign a trade deal will be about as impressive as the coalition the US assembled to invade Iraq.
Brexiters don't care, all that matters is that they won. Other than the vote itself no-one knows, including themselves, what they've won. Many more prizes to look forward to when they finally leave.
It's always been an 'any cost' Brexit though, so doubt this would make much cut through when it comes to the official line of the Tory government and Labour opposition which have always been support for an any cost Brexit.
The forecast in terms of household income, GDP, trade deficiits etc have always ranged from pretty bad to dire. In the face of that May and Corbyn both stand up and effectively support Brexit in spite of knowing the impact they'll have on people in this country. It's optimistic to hope that people who want something despite what damage it'll do will somehow change their mind after learning what damage it can do.
It'll just prompt each party to double down on somehow pretending their policy of 'Leave and get the best deal' is somehow less bollocks than the other party whose policy is 'Leave and get the best deal'. For the sake of placating many people we have to go through the ridiculous charade of actually pretending that those are two entirely different policies.
The forecast in terms of household income, GDP, trade deficiits etc have always ranged from pretty bad to dire. In the face of that May and Corbyn both stand up and effectively support Brexit in spite of knowing the impact they'll have on people in this country. It's optimistic to hope that people who want something despite what damage it'll do will somehow change their mind after learning what damage it can do.
It'll just prompt each party to double down on somehow pretending their policy of 'Leave and get the best deal' is somehow less bollocks than the other party whose policy is 'Leave and get the best deal'. For the sake of placating many people we have to go through the ridiculous charade of actually pretending that those are two entirely different policies.
If I referenced Carney today saying households are £900 worse off cos of Brexit, people like my mother would say 'it's worth it to take back control'. I guess they'll pay any price to see a few less brown faces or hear less Polish accents.
Ideologists can't be reasoned with and my mother is sure the economic pain will be a short-term blip.
Sorry, I know a lot of us have been sharing the same frustrations for ages now, but it never fails to both sadden and anger me that people still think this is a good idea, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
I also genuinely think a lot of people don't fully realise what a household being £900 worse off means in real terms. They'd need to actually feel the effects rather than have them described to them.
Yeah and unless you are really breadline, you'll absorb that over the year and not really notice 20p extra on your loaf of bread, jar of coffee or whatever.
The lies though about developing wider global trade deals beyond the EU. I still have some stupid forlorn hope that the electoral commission kyboshes the bloody referendum vote.
Although to be fair the word that does jump to mind also starts with a c.
Mark Carney announces that the BoE estimate households are on average £900 a year worse off as a result of Brexit.
The response seems to be "But Iraq..." because Blair said something. It's the biggest elephant in the room, I think, that we 'new/old' left don't really seem to give much of a shit about the economic impact of Brexit on poor people but are massively excited by the prospect of letting people know how much they opposed the Iraq war for the billionth time
The response seems to be "But Iraq..." because Blair said something. It's the biggest elephant in the room, I think, that we 'new/old' left don't really seem to give much of a shit about the economic impact of Brexit on poor people but are massively excited by the prospect of letting people know how much they opposed the Iraq war for the billionth time
Can you find some examples of this?
Can we just fake Brexit, like have all EU name/flags removed from the UK, passports, anything else linking the UK to the EU but still remain legally in the EU? Brexiters won't look at legal documents so they won't notice.
It's abundantly clear that Corbyn wants out of the EU and it suits him to let the Tories make an absolute bollox of the whole thing, so he can sweep into power on the back of a Great British public who are furious about being sold a pup.
The only reason I could deal with a Corbyn Brexit over a Tory one is because I think he’d work bloody hard to retain the EU protection in place for People and Animals.
I think the Tory’s hope for Brexit is a tax haven with major deregulation so businesses can exploit people even more.
Essentially what the Republican’s are currently achieving across the Atlantic.
The tax haven idea is a strange one. There are plenty of tax havens (Ireland, Netherlands, Switzerland) that have full customs union access anyway, it's not like by turning itself into a tax haven the UK would suddenly be in a position of advantage. Businesses will still pick the tax haven with full customs union access!
Getting there slowly. The thickos in Westminster will realise soon enough
Sadly the price will be a lot more than £900 per household and unfortunately it will only be when it's too late that reality will dawn on them.
The problem is that the same liars two years ago are still lying now and people will believe what they want to believe.
One still has this forlorn hope that if they really thought logically about it, it's so damned obvious that Brexit is going to be a major disaster.
More news - the promised £350 million a week has already vapourised, here's another £20bn up in smoke if they go for the MaxFac (which is a non-starter anyway) - plenty more of these to come (well, we did warn them)
Wonder if Fox or Davis has remembered to send off the UK's application to join the WTO.
Jesus, just when you think things can't get much worse. What are the benefits again?
Blue passports
Made by the french. Very boutique!
Brexit is a projection of nationalism. Nothing good has ever come out of nationalism.
Not sure how much more of a balls-up this government can make of things before he starts to see an advantage in the polls. Not only Brexit but Windrush too. Better governments have been virtually wiped out in terms of public opinion on much less. I think May could claim responsibility for running Princes Diana's car into the pillar in the tunnel and the outcome of the next lot of polling conducted after the revelation will have Jeremy Corbyn soaring into a 2 point lead.
There are no benefits, even the immigrants they think they're getting rid of will be replaced by other immigrants.
Still only scratching the surface. Things can get a lot worse .The Brexiters think it hasn't been too bad so far but the UK haven't left yet and businesses and markets are still hoping that common sense will rule the day in the end. If the day comes when there is a no deal scenario... I dread to think.
Losing a fortune money wise is one thing, I cannot begin to imagine the disruption.
Was a rhetorical question of course, but yep agree it's the tip of the iceberg. This vindicative, xenophobic Home Office drive to push out immigrants is getting ridiculous and borderline fascist. Windrush obviously the big disgrace, but cases like this too are reprehensible.
Ex-mayor of Ipswich denied citizenship after almost 40 years in UK
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/23/ex-mayor-of-ipswich-inga-lockington-denied-citizenship-after-almost-40-years-in-uk
No-on is going to want to come and work here, the NHS is already creaking badly and in asset management £40bn left the UK this week.
Economic growth is anaemic, but anyone holding up the FTSE hitting new highs as a barometer of 'market confidence' in Brexit has no understanding of investment.
My wife had a second interview with Mercers about a job in Singapore last week, but sadly they're twats and it's too junior
Was a rhetorical question of course, but yep agree it's the tip of the iceberg. This vindicative, xenophobic Home Office drive to push out immigrants is getting ridiculous and borderline fascist. Windrush obviously the big disgrace, but cases like this too are reprehensible.
Ex-mayor of Ipswich denied citizenship after almost 40 years in UK
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/23/ex-mayor-of-ipswich-inga-lockington-denied-citizenship-after-almost-40-years-in-uk
No-on is going to want to come and work here, the NHS is already creaking badly and in asset management £40bn left the UK this week.
Economic growth is anaemic, but anyone holding up the FTSE hitting new highs as a barometer of 'market confidence' in Brexit has no understanding of investment.
My wife had a second interview with Mercers about a job in Singapore last week, but sadly they're twats and it's too junior
Yes of course. Although May was perceived as a remainer, I believe she is the biggest xenophobe/racist of the lot and that includes Farage and Brexit falls sweetly into her hostile environment. It is utterly despicable the way people are being treated. The government always go for the easy targets, the real illegal immigrants are too difficult to manage.
Also the cost of citizenship in the UK is astronomically expensive. It cost me €55 to apply for French citizenship.
When the pound drops again if there is no deal this will no doubt be more realignment.
About 5 weeks left for the government to become rational and sensible, oh well...
Looks like trouble in Brexitland.
Cabinet apparently discussing asking EU for another transition period. Our European brothers must be laughing at our stupidity.
Ivan Rogers was forced out for saying Brexit would take ten years. 2023 would be seven years from the vote.
Cabinet apparently discussing asking EU for another transition period. Our European brothers must be laughing at our stupidity.
Ivan Rogers was forced out for saying Brexit would take ten years. 2023 would be seven years from the vote.
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I am passionately against Brexit and to be honest, I have little on the line. What do you want to tell this man, who is losing everything?