Put it this way, in comparison you can have a reasonably intelligent conversation with a french peasant.
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Put it this way, in comparison you can have a reasonably intelligent conversation with a french peasant.
Hey, I'll have you know that contrary to Marx, the peasants are the vanguard class with the sharpest political analysis:
Isn‘t the UK in some sort of public submission agreement with the EU that wouldn‘t even allow for giving a contract on nationalist grounds?
All EU law requires is an open bidding process. The UK just picked the cheapest option. Compare and contrast with France (and I think Germany) where they award these contracts to their firms.
Channel 4 news are running hard with this story.
https://www.channel4.com/news/brexit-campaign-was-totally-illegal-claims-whistleblower
https://www.channel4.com/news/brexit-campaign-was-totally-illegal-claims-whistleblower
The response will be that we need to press ahead with respecting the result regardless. There won't be a single revelation or consequence that'll change that.
Lots of use of the word 'claim'. Tried.to read all of it but could not.
Not a surprise.
That looks like a really serious brexiteer and definitely not some student nobhead who has no money to go out on Saturday night
Ah feck off.
Starmers been at the Kool Aid
By the way people say french company but it's historically a franco-dutch company, it's the result of the fusion of Gemplus and Axalto. Today, the company is legally dutch and based in Amsterdam.
Another trivial piece of distraction from May's total failure.
Keir Starmer came across as a bit of a wanker on the telly today. Labour's position on the blue passport debacle should be to mock it as something that was dopey symbolism to begin with, and an outcome that proves we need our European partners across a whole array of areas evidencing the importance of closer integration.
But what actually is the Labour party position?
"We wouldn't have given it to the French *repress gag reflex* in a million years!"
feck off Labour. You're unforgivably shit on Brexit.
But what actually is the Labour party position?
"We wouldn't have given it to the French *repress gag reflex* in a million years!"
feck off Labour. You're unforgivably shit on Brexit.
I think it's a shit position but in this case I don't think it's particularly exclusive to the current leadership. Blair and co would've been all over something which allowed them to look particularly strong on British values, and would've probably been happy to compromise on this one lest they risk losing a few patriotic voters who actually give a feck about this kind of thing.
For sheer political opportunism you're right. However Blair, for his sins, would have opposed Brexit with every fibre of his body from the very start, and being a politician who had the ability to galvanise far beyond his core support, would have succeeded in shaping the Brexit approach by the government into something that looks far, far different to the wet-dream of Rees-Mogg that we have today. Having any leader of the opposition that actually opposed hard Brexit rather than just pretending to but doing nothing about it until after it's close to too late to reverse, is frankly what we're crying out for.
In the early 2000s maybe. But Blair's been despised by considerable portions of the British public and his own party for about a decade now so the above strikes me as largely irrelevant, a bit like a Tory saying how everyone would rally behind Winston Churchill if he were alive now while ignoring a lot of Churchill's abhorrent views that'd alienate him from large portions of the British public.
And Blair's refusal to really acknowledge immigration as an issue for a considerable period of his premiership (irrespective of whether it was or not) and the general loss of Labour support he presided over probably created some of the conditions that eventually led to Brexit.
I'm talking about 1995-2001 Blair. That guy in opposition would have completely annihilated the lame-horse that was May at the 2017 election or, if elected after, would have opposed Brexit more strongly. Let's face it May's government ran probably the worst general election campaign anyone under the age of 70 has ever seen in this country. Expectations under Corbyn were lowered so much that finishing second to that is hailed as a great result.
The window to actually stop a hard brexit is slamming shut and we have Corbyn still refusing to do anything about it except for sack those willing to speak out and moderates who've been brow-beaten into supporting a position they know is disastrous because they fear for their own seats if the Momentum lot get at them should they deviate from Corbyn's "I voted remain...but let's not do anything to stop a hard Brexit' line.
I agree with all of that. Given the incompetence of May et al the opposition should be miles ahead in the polls right now. There's not even any threat that Corbyn can bring May down early, with no apparent attempts at wheeling and dealing with the unhappy Tories at all. The only plan for Europe that Labour seem to have is to wait for Brext to fail and then say 'well it's not our fault, we'd have done it differently', which is a pretty disgraceful approach for me.
As much as it's kind of funny seeing them break down all the errors, this is exactly the kind of shit that led to people voting for this mess.
Publish a load of utter guff, people take it as legit, then hide a retraction a few weeks later that none of them will see.
Oh and that piece of shit Rees-Mogg tweeted the original claims but surprisingly hasn't taken it down:
Not sure if it has been pointed out but the brexiteers even get something as simple as % math wrong.
50% Tariff on 1 £ worth of butter would mean it would cost 1.50 £. 21 % on 79 pence tomatoes would mean they cost 0.95£ etc.
One more brexit newspaper confirming the brexit stereotype.
Or very cunning. Tell people what they want to hear, not what is actually true.
I don't think the difference between 67 pence saved and 1 £ saved (for the butter) makes that much of a difference to the readers.
I'm not sold on this particular piece being some intelligent piece of propaganda. It's just one (stupid) mistake by a newspaper staffed with stupid people.
I doubt that's the case. Journalists at The Sun aren't really anymore stupid than journalists elsewhere - they're just getting paid to peddle a certain agenda. Most of them will be highly-qualified and very capable. In certain respects working for a tabloid can be even more demanding than a respected broadsheet, even if the superior quality of the latter is obvious.
There is not one single thing that is correct about that article, never mind the incorrect calculations.
Have they decided where they are going to buy these items from, have they already done the trade deals, tariffs aren't charged on the internal transportation, packaging within the UK, shop profits, staff salaries etc etc etc etc etc.
There are no tariffs if the items are bought from within the EU at the moment.
I especially like the one about the LG flatscreen TV where there currently is no tariff because of the EU trade deal, but there will be tariffs when the UK leaves, none of it makes any sense.
How do people believe all this crap, whoops, sorry forgot, Brexiters are highly intelligent people.
Have they decided where they are going to buy these items from, have they already done the trade deals, tariffs aren't charged on the internal transportation, packaging within the UK, shop profits, staff salaries etc etc etc etc etc.
There are no tariffs if the items are bought from within the EU at the moment.
I especially like the one about the LG flatscreen TV where there currently is no tariff because of the EU trade deal, but there will be tariffs when the UK leaves, none of it makes any sense.
How do people believe all this crap, whoops, sorry forgot, Brexiters are highly intelligent people.
And tell me if I'm wrong but the total absence of tariffs means that there will be no reasons for companies to produce anything in the UK and that the UK market will be flooded with products from cheaper countries. Also none of the big markets will have a free trade with soft customs control with a country that can be freely used as a backdoor for illicit products, for example chinese milk(cf. 2008 and 2013 scandals).
Nah, I don't buy that. The Sun (as far as i'm aware) isn't even making money anymore these days. The intelligent one is Murdoch, he gets all these "journalists" to work in his interest, they themselves are no less sheep than the readers they try to influence.
They could still work to decent journalistic standards (like WSJ for example), but they don't.
It could be either a propaganda piece or just someone completely fecking up the maths tbh. Both are perfectly believable. Probably more likely the latter.
Makes me laugh that everyone thinks that all DM reporters are rabid right wingers. They're just normal individuals doing a job.
Aye, in this case could be a feck up - but as you say regarding the DM most of the reporters working for them are fairly competent and just doing what they've been employed to do.
Yes correct, tariffs are a way of protecting your own market production. Furthermore the UK are known as being very lax already in this regard, currently I believe the UK owe the EU about 2.5 billion in non-collected VAT for example.
Had a few experiences over the years of the UK not applying laws they should have.
Yeah but doing their job includes spending a vast amount of their life working for Murdoch's interests, and i'm sure the more intelligent ones among them are aware of that. I know a lot of people dislike their employer... but there's a difference between disliking your employer and your employer being the prototype for a Bond villain (who's work his employees are doing).
They hire mainly from Oxbridge and a lot of journos spend a couple of years there for a laugh, then move to the Times or Telegraph or wherever.
I guess so, but most will just see it as a well paid job at the bestselling newspaper tbh. I know the Daily Mail pays well, for example.
In the HoC today:
May is responding to Corbyn.
She says she has been very clear about how a hard border in Ireland can be avoided.
Did she say it in a very low whisper because no-one else seems to be aware.
May is responding to Corbyn.
She says she has been very clear about how a hard border in Ireland can be avoided.
Did she say it in a very low whisper because no-one else seems to be aware.
The chasm where Tony Blair's self-awareness should be is one of the true wonders of the world. Him coming out again to talk Brexit changes absolutely nobody's mind.