Yeah, it's all hand-wringing at the moment because the Tories know it's not feasible to implement a border while also knowing their base will slaughter them if they remain in the single market.
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Yeah, it's all hand-wringing at the moment because the Tories know it's not feasible to implement a border while also knowing their base will slaughter them if they remain in the single market.
EU draft agreement said:
Stage 1 Agreement said:
The only way to close the border is if The UK leaves without an agreement.
The Tories have guaranteed avoiding a hard border and saying they're leaving the SM/CU - it is not possible to do both, how does the government get away with it. I know why they're saying it but I don't understand how they get away with it, no government would have got away with it previously.
To me its very simple, no-one wants a hard border so don't have one, *****.
So stay in the customs union? Good, glad we sorted that.
Nope, just don't have a hard border, whose pushing for a hard border when the UK leaves?
At this point in time that's about 99% certain. Plus the UK have already said they're not accepting the fallback option. The magical David Davis border invention would also have to be installed at Dover/Calais, wave the asylum seekers through the tunnel and let DD's invention sort that out.
By WTO rules they have to install a border if they're not in the CU/SM , North Korea gets closer by the day and you said....
That's against WTO rules
rules are there to be broken, happens all over the eu.By WTO rules they have to install a border if they're not in the CU/SM , North Korea gets closer by the day and you said....
So not only would the UK have no deal with the EU, they couldn't join the WTO and would be vetoed out and wouldn't have a deal with anybody - hence being like North Korea.
Challenge the rules, unless you want the hard border of course.
With no hard border, everyone happy
And in the mean time whilst we wait for every other nation on earth to agree?
Not really. The racists can't stop anyone entering the country
So the UK are happy to keep receiving EU citizens?
I think we are at the point in negotiations where we think if we say the words louder and slower the foreigners will understand what we want
This page is pretty representative, I feel.
While I have nothing against countries abiding to eu membership rules, they must apply to everyone and be adhered to by all members, until then they can feck off and stop using beurocratic bullshit as a tool. Somebody that is not willing to bend is making this more difficult than it need be.
Can't we kick northern Ireland out of the union... problem solved
An English Independence Referendum? Is it that hard to imagine Farage calling for one, as 'the only solution'.
Might be the only thing that could get Farrage and sturgon agreeing
Or leave NI in the Customs Union whilst the rest of Britain leaves, which is what the EU wants.
And would be extremely beneficial to all involved.
I can definitely see how doing that would make a united Ireland more likely but probably less so than putting an armed border between the two countries
Did you know that some countries have visa free status to Ireland but not the UK, and visa versa. So someone from Swaziland can travel visa free to Ireland then illegally travel to the UK just by walking across the Ireland- Northern Ireland border.
Its only going to get worse!
While the CTA has, for most of its history, involved an open or relatively open border, since the Second World War this has not meant that someone who legally entered one part of the CTA was automatically entitled to enter another part. Unlike the Schengen Agreement, the CTA currently provides no mechanism for the mutual recognition of leave to enter and remain, and the UK and Ireland operate separate visa systems with distinct entry requirements. In general, a UK visa will not allow entry to Ireland nor vice versa.
The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man allow entry to holders of UK visas (with some exceptions). Bailiwick of Guernsey and Jersey immigration authorities routinely check non-EEA nationals seeking to enter the UK to ensure they have valid UK permissions.
In July 2011 Ireland introduced a limited pilot visa waiver programme under which the normal requirement for certain nationalities to hold an Irish visa is waived for visitors to the UK who hold valid UK visas.
Nationalities that are visa-free in the UK but not in Ireland
Nationalities that are visa-free in Ireland but not in the UK
Irish visa-waiver nationalities
It's not the EU rules, it's the WTO rules. If the UK want to leave the EU, then they go but they're not going to get special treatment from anyone. I think all this was classed as scaremongering but it's all coming home to roost - what the Uk government want to do is impossible so they should stop wasting time posturing and deal with reality.
So far the UK have ruled out everything including that. It's like dealing with a child, but a child has more sense.
If May says she doesn't want CU/SM and passporting, Ireland might not be the biggest problem.
Imagine if someone had tried to do so much harm to the country in the past, they'd be in the Tower by now or worse.
That's makes absolutely no sense
UK and irish seem happy with no hard border
Yes it is laughable i agree.
No one wants a hard border, not difficult to understand.
No one wants a hard border, so dont have one.
No-one wants a hard border except the people who voted for Brexit because that is precisely what they voted for.
They voted to leave the EU, if they want to leave the EU but not have a border they have to stay in the CU/SM, very very simple.
Someone wants a hard border rhen, who is it paul?
One can't expect them to understand that though, they have proven themselves incapable of it, hence they'll always point fingers elsewhere. And because there was a moment in 2016 where they outnumberd those that do understand they will eternally be right. They can do as they wish (not that they have wishes, they didn't think it through that far) and it shall always be someone else's fault should anything displease them as a consequence.
Went back and forth between Detroit and Windsor a number of times last decade. Always a pain in the backside entering the US (And I'm a US citizen
). I doubt May has any clue what she is proposing here.Not true. The Brits don't want freedom of movement so there has to be a border
"we want full control of our borders"
"we want no hard border to the EU"
All you brexiters are absolutely mental
"we want no hard border to the EU"
All you brexiters are absolutely mental
I see that we are still stuck in the hard/soft border fallacy.
No one want or asked for a hard border, what is required by WTO and common sense is a regulated border between two different economic areas with two different jurisdictions; regulated borders are soft borders. The entire problem here is that one part is asking for an open border while demanding for two totally independent jurisdictions. In theory the solution is simple, if you want an open border offer a custom union model that suits you and the EU.
No one want or asked for a hard border, what is required by WTO and common sense is a regulated border between two different economic areas with two different jurisdictions; regulated borders are soft borders. The entire problem here is that one part is asking for an open border while demanding for two totally independent jurisdictions. In theory the solution is simple, if you want an open border offer a custom union model that suits you and the EU.