They were always going to be.
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They were always going to be.
Is that the bottom line?
Those who voted to take back control will surely be disappointed that we have actually given up a significant amount of control, for no discernible benefit. If these Brussels bureaucrats decide to legislate how curved a banana has to be to meet single market standards, or what flavour crisps we're allowed to have, there will be no UK voice at the table to argue against it. But we'll still have to go along with it.
Also, it says transition will last the minimum of two years throughout this term UK obliges to adhere to all the EU laws by staying in the single market and CU, but being outside of the table.
I don't think they've gone that far, it appears its just citizens currently living in the UK/EU (or up until the exit date) with exceptions made for family members joining later.
It's an interesting trap May has laid for the eurosceptics, they must be furious right now, but if they rebel then they'll almost certainly destroy the government and force an election. That's basically handing power to Labour and then they'll probably end up with even less than they have now. It'll be interesting to see whether they still retain enough sense to keep their mouths shut or whether the eurosceptic extremism that has divided the party for decades will prove too strong for them to resist.
Soon the French will be unveiling their plan to have cheddar reclassified so it can no longer be marketed as cheese. Shit's about to get real.
The eurosceptics might feel their cause would be in better hands with Corbyn and McDonnell, they have been anti-EU for a lot longer than May has.
If I'm not mistaken, it's only for the ones that are already in the UK or on the continent. For the rest, it will depend on the deal, even though the lack of Irish border will almost inevitably lead to a full single market adhesion and therefore all freedoms will be enforced.
By the way, if I'm not mistaken all EEA/EFTA members are also Schengen members. I wonder if the current members are willing to offer an exemption if the UK were to join them.
''You can check out any time you like but you can never leave''
Probably will be acceptable given not all EU members are part of Schengen. It's also in the EU's best interest for a soft Brexit as well.
It's not about the EU though, the question is whether Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein are fine with it.
Any deal which pisses off Farage, and the far right is fine by me.
You think this is a stunning deal?It'd be a foolish risk. Labour voters split about 2/3 in favour of remain. Any Labour leader who tried to push for hard Brexit would be basically shooting themselves in the face.
The fact that such an enormously complex and heavily nuanced topic was dumbed down to a simple one line question with one word responses was so unimaginably stupid it really beggars belief.
That's without getting into the fact that it should never have gone to a referendum at all because there's no way the population is sufficiently informed to make such a decision.
I guess only they know, Schengen is not a presumption of EFTA as far as I am aware. In any case this is a particular special scenario, so no idea what kind of deal we will end up with.
What is the point of brexit to have a soft brexit? Seems like a lot of hassle for no real change apart from some feeling like they've won. Better than a hard one though, so guess I can at least be happy with that.
For the opposite way around, why would Switzerland change from their arrangement to being a member of the EU?
For the opposite way around, why would Switzerland change from their arrangement to being a member of the EU?
There is no point. You will have all the rules you had before, pay in money, only now they have no seats on the council and will not receive funding in return.
It's unbelievably stupid but still less stupid than a hard Brexit.
I'd laugh if it wasn't so damn pathetic.
Turns out Brexit didnt mean Brexit after all.
First stage agreement
Well this is still would still be a Brexit. Unless of course we do a full U-turn.
It’s easy for Farage to just sit on the sidelines criticising everything. His rhetoric led the country to a vote which should never have happened and has likely cost the country Billions.
Does "Full alignment" with the Internal Market and Customs Union also mean keeping Freedom of Movement?
So basically very little would change?
So basically very little would change?
Yeah we're basically paying £40bn to have no vote.
There are plenty of Brexiteers on the sideline taking pot shots for political currency but if any of them were in the hot seat none of them would have the bottle for hard Brexit.
Is your final paragraph sarcasm or a genuine possibility?
Heh
If the UK want a Norway style free trade then that might be another sticking point. I think that will come onto the negotiating table at the next round.
It isnt clear at this stage, but i would be shocked if May agreed to Freedom of movement. She wouldnt make it through the weekend without 20 metaphorical knives in her back.
Full allignment is more likely to do with regulations/law pertaining to trade etc.
Brexit means Soft Brexit.
Think of the deal as a kind of staycation.
A picture says a thousand words. Look at his expression.
I dont think the UK side have given up on ending free movement yet, on the basis that they have clearly briefed journalists they are working towards a Canada-type deal, rather than a Norway one. I think the distinction between the two (although someone please correct me if Im wrong) is that Norway implies free movement and Canada doesnt. Though I suspect this will end up being a compromise for the future, it seems a bit pointless to capitulate on everything else but accept that our banks have to leave London in order to do business in Europe.
It's not sarcasm, it's just something that I noticed. I don't know if it's a condition of EFTA or if it's just a coincidence, if it was the former then you can imagine the irony.
What are we supposed to have been stunned by?Errr what?
On the BBC it suggested the 4 freedoms would remain.