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If Cameron didn't want Tusk or co. there, Tusk and co. wouldn't be there. When you give the power to your politicians, you are also giving them the responsibility to choose the EU leaders. No EU leader can get that position without being supported by the leaders of Germany, France and UK.
And when you chose your members of EU parliament, you chose Nigel Farage. Who didn't bother to do his job there (but got payed for that). In return, you made him more powerful by voting for the lies (he needed a couple of hours to backtrack) he said.
But they are elected by the people we elected democratically that's the purpose of representative democracy.
Credit to voters who googled 'What is the EU?' after they voted to leave it?
That's like googling "What is sex?" after cutting your dick off.
So, the leave campaign admit they were living about the £350m NHS and stopping EU immigration. Grrrrrrreeeeaaaat, as if it was all just one big wind up!
BJ can. The man is a total Moron. He's the UK's version of Trump.
Some of the responses
"Well Scotland r part of the Uk so did vote 2 leave doesnt matter what their own small vote was"
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Schulz as President of the EU parliament is democratically legitimated. Because in order to obtain said position you need to be a MP. The MPs are elected during the EU elections nobody usually cares for.
Tusk is the president of the European Council. He is a representative figure with no voting rights in said council. The members of the European Council who hold the power are...The PMs of the EU members
Juncker is the President of the European Commission. Said person is elected by the EU Parliament(which gets elected by the people) for a term of 5 years. That falls in line with the voting interval for the EU Parliament itself, i.e. every EU election is followed by an election of the President of the Commission.
So much for that. As usual a great example for the vast array of superficial knowledge your average Brexit supporter has managed to acquire due to hard work and cognitive brilliance
Schulz as President of the EU parliament is democratically legitimated. Because in order to obtain said position you need to be a MP. The MPs are elected during the EU elections nobody usually cares for.
Tusk is the president of the European Council. He is a representative figure with no voting rights in said council. The members of the European Council who hold the power are...The PMs of the EU members
Juncker is the President of the European Commission. Said person is elected by the EU Parliament(which gets elected by the people) for a term of 5 years. That falls in line with the voting interval for the EU Parliament itself, i.e. every EU election is followed by an election of the President of the Commission.
So much for that. As usual a great example for the vast array of superficial knowledge your average Brexit supporter has managed to acquire due to hard work and cognitive brilliance
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Let's see how she likes the consequences of the Right wing side of the Tory party gaining power for the foreseeable future.
Exactly. The idea that people think that the EU will now submit to every demand we is laughable. If they were willing to make a deal they would have done it when Cameron went to renegotiate.
I think we will still pay in the £350m/week but not receive anything back. We will have free movement of worker and open boarders.
At the end of the day we are now negotiating from a far weaker position then we were before the Brexit vote.
If I was one of the 400 MP's who don't want to leave I'd vote this down when it comes to the Commons. You've got 2 ways at looking at the democratic side of it. Yes the country voted to leave the EU but the same country put these 400 MP's in power and gave them the right to Govern us.
Schulz as President of the EU parliament is democratically legitimated. Because in order to obtain said position you need to be a MP. The MPs are elected during the EU elections nobody usually cares for.
Tusk is the president of the European Council. He is a representative figure with no voting rights in said council. The members of the European Council who hold the power are...The PMs of the EU members
Juncker is the President of the European Commission. Said person is elected by the EU Parliament(which gets elected by the people) for a term of 5 years. That falls in line with the voting interval for the EU Parliament itself, i.e. every EU election is followed by an election of the President of the Commission.
So much for that. As usual a great example for the vast array of superficial knowledge your average Brexit supporter has managed to acquire due to hard work and cognitive brilliance
Exactly, it's the most democratic institution that I know and for example Junker isn't elected at the simple majority but at the qualified majority by the council of the European Union.
that's what he was trying to say to her with the whole 'BJ coming to give you social justice,' line.
No it's not. And why would you get credit for that? If anything, they deserve to be slapped upside their head for the sheer simplicity of the question, as if they need it summarised in one sentence due to an inability to do any real research. Googling 'European Union' and clicking on the Wikipedia link gives you the answer. And if you're still a bit bamboozled after doing that, the argument doesn't mean much, because your lack of understanding about something doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. It's more logical to assume that you just don't get it.
It's painfully sad how many people don't understand this. It's even worse when people then propagate their misinformation like they went and confirmed everything for themselves.
No, the purpose of representative democracy is to give the people power over who governs them, not to take it away from them.
I didn't actually, but Farage did his job well enough to get the EU very busy with trying to silence him.
Fair point, but for reasons of hygiene, also after the act you might want to find out wether you've put your dick in an innocent virgin girl or in a ******'s addicted greedy ass.
It does if they see it as a mandate for another referendum about Scottish independence.Some of the responses
"Well Scotland r part of the Uk so did vote 2 leave doesnt matter what their own small vote was"
Should have factored that in before you voted leave.
If the vote was the other way round then yes life would have moved on since nothing would have changed.
It's a bit harder to do when your country makes the most idiotic financial decision it could possibly make.
It's a bit harder to do when your country makes the most idiotic financial decision it could possibly make.
And that will be the day we stop being a democratic society.
Whether you agree with it or not, the majority of the voting public have chosen to leave the EU. End of story. Finito!
If people don't want democracy they should go and live in North Korea.
It's all ifs and buts at the moment. It may transpire that remaining would have been the most idiotic financial decision.
True, mate! Democracy has won, hasn't it? Think Europe's going to try and have its way with us after we made our stand? What's this, 1941 again?
Go and kiss Kim Jong-un's feet, you anti-democratic peasants!
The leave voters potentially destroyed my future. They're on some pharmaceutical grade stuff if they expect me to happy about it and 'pull together' to fulfil their fantasy based on Boris's lies that half the country didn't want. And yes, people will say I told you so because it was so incredibly clear up front that it was a ridiculous decision where the negatives of doing it far far far outweigh the negatives of staying in. If we go into a recession and people suffer (look at the state of peoples pensions right now, their value has dropped massively) then they have every right to say I told you so to the people that ignored the voice of almost every. single. expert. on every issue that came up. They will have suffered for that. The issue is actually that if this happens and our economy goes to shit when the remainers do say 'I told you so' the leavers will dismiss it, refuse to take any responsibility or feel any guilt for the mess they created and will find a way to blame it on politicians - or better yet, immigrants.
Tell me how democracy works with a Monarchy, House of Lords, and Rupert Murdoch owning ~70% of the media?
Time will tell whether leaving the EU was the right or wrong thing. But What's the point of having millions of people vote, if the decision of the majority is systematically swept aside because it's not what the MP's were after?
Sounds like a dictatorship to me.
You can say this is a democracy all you what however, there's a lot of people that didn't know what they were voting for and bought into the lies of the leave campaign. Many of the people that voted leave don't realise how negative this move is and it's perfectly possible that many regret their choice. I think if we did another referendum tomorrow remain would win with all the people that regret their vote changing to remain and all those that were over complacent also coming to vote.
I wonder what exactly he expects the remain voters to do(I know it's just a lame tactic of making your opposition responsible for your very own brain fart)?
a) email-bomb Juncker *Give us our all-benefit-no-obligations-deal our great empire is rightfully entitled to already!!!*
b) conduct private diplomatic missions to the other 40ish contries outside the EU to spread the gospel of the rapture called free trade agreement with Ingurland
This almost worth a thread: If Brexit fails, it's on the apathy of the Remain voters. What do you expect them to contribute?
It's not taking power away from them, they elected the decision makers.
People seem to be getting hysterical. The financial markets are doing what they do best, panicking and selling off all our pension investments like rabbits caught in the headlights of an oncoming bicycle. Mainstream media are wheeling out the Brexiteers who wished they’d voted Remain instead. All two of them.
Perhaps we should have stayed in that vast bastion of financial probity, the EU. The same bureaucratic edifice that let Greece crumble, as they would any nation that dares to default on the unfathomable debts that have been foisted on taxpayers.
Perhaps we should have stayed in the Union that allows unelected bureaucrats to live like princes and thieves in their Brussels and once-a-month Strasbourg white elephant palaces.
Perhaps we should have stayed in the trading block that was about to suck us into TTIP, the reason Obama came here at the behest of his corporate paymasters to warn us that we would be last in the “queue” (??) for any trade deals with America if we Brexit. (Hopefully we’ll no longer be first in the “queue” when America is looking for partners in its illegal wars.) Under TTIP the NHS would not only have been privatised, multi-national corporations would have had a feeding frenzy over it. Canteens run by Monsanto anybody?
There were some serious omissions in the whole debate. There was no talk of a sustainable economy. It’s all growth growth growth. Blah blah blah. If we don’t stop raping the planet we’re all fecked.
Oh, and on immigration, just so you know, let them all in I say. The British government have played no small part in the turmoil in the middle-east. They’ve still got our sons and daughters out there in army fatigues, just more collateral casualties of the WMD lie. We should have the decency to take in the people we have helped displace.
There will be an EU 2, one that we the people will decide.
And think of this. Cameron’s going. Boris will get in. The blonde haired buffoon won’t stand a chance against Corbyn!
I didn't write that but thought it interesting and probably how I feel about it. The EU, a bunch of unelected by normal people toffs, top of the tree bosses making decisions for top of the tree bosses in the various countries, taking money for takings sake from each country just to be a part of the exclusive bullshit club that only ever will benefit the elite.
Perhaps we should have stayed in that vast bastion of financial probity, the EU. The same bureaucratic edifice that let Greece crumble, as they would any nation that dares to default on the unfathomable debts that have been foisted on taxpayers.
Perhaps we should have stayed in the Union that allows unelected bureaucrats to live like princes and thieves in their Brussels and once-a-month Strasbourg white elephant palaces.
Perhaps we should have stayed in the trading block that was about to suck us into TTIP, the reason Obama came here at the behest of his corporate paymasters to warn us that we would be last in the “queue” (??) for any trade deals with America if we Brexit. (Hopefully we’ll no longer be first in the “queue” when America is looking for partners in its illegal wars.) Under TTIP the NHS would not only have been privatised, multi-national corporations would have had a feeding frenzy over it. Canteens run by Monsanto anybody?
There were some serious omissions in the whole debate. There was no talk of a sustainable economy. It’s all growth growth growth. Blah blah blah. If we don’t stop raping the planet we’re all fecked.
Oh, and on immigration, just so you know, let them all in I say. The British government have played no small part in the turmoil in the middle-east. They’ve still got our sons and daughters out there in army fatigues, just more collateral casualties of the WMD lie. We should have the decency to take in the people we have helped displace.
There will be an EU 2, one that we the people will decide.
And think of this. Cameron’s going. Boris will get in. The blonde haired buffoon won’t stand a chance against Corbyn!
I didn't write that but thought it interesting and probably how I feel about it. The EU, a bunch of unelected by normal people toffs, top of the tree bosses making decisions for top of the tree bosses in the various countries, taking money for takings sake from each country just to be a part of the exclusive bullshit club that only ever will benefit the elite.
James O’Brien Tackles Brexit Campaigners Who Derided Mark Carney After EU Referendum Results Hit FTSE
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...k-carney_uk_576d26e7e4b0232d331dda31?kxz5b3xr
Good piece.
James O’Brien has launched a storming attack on people who voted in favour of Brexit for asking the Bank of England to steer the country through economic turmoil, despite ignoring warnings over a Leave vote from the bank’s governor.
The LBC presenter bemoaned those who backed ‘Leave’ on Thursday seeking advice and stability from Mark Carney, following claims from leading Brexit figures he was “biased“, untrustworthy and should resign.
Carney had warned that the UK voting to leave the EU would cause an economic shock; within hours of the historic vote, the pound had fallen to its lowest value in 31 years.
But speaking on Friday, O’Brien lamented: “You listen to Mark Carney, who some of us listened to last week - and last month, and the month before - and found him very persuasive.
AP
Carney previously warned Brexit would have hugely negative ramifications to the economy
“How do you square that today if you’re one of the people who has been persuaded that we should completely ignore the insights or inputs of the Bank of England - because his words this morning have been really reassuring.
“He is one of the few people seriously to try and set a course through these stormy waters.”
Carney and many other “experts” had been criticised by Brexiteer and justice secretary Michael Gove for offering their opinion and advice too much.
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Michael Gove claimed people had ‘had enough of experts’
Continuing on Friday, O’Brien said the watershed moment in the referendum campaign came this morning when Carney warned Brexit posed “the most significant near-term risk” to the economy.
The LBC radio host explained: “The man who will probably be Prime Minister by Christmas has spent the last eight weeks telling us to disregard the insights and the expertise of men like Mark Carney.
“That for me would be a moment to really stop and wonder what the hell we’ve done because who do we turn to now for economic guidance and economic advice?
LBC
O’Brien wondered who Brexiters would turn to to steer them through Brexit’s volatile effect on the economy after rubbishing Carney’s advice in the campaign
“Who do we turn to for economic projections and economic policy? We turn to the governor of the Bank of England.
“But we live in a country where a referendum has just been won by people who told us that experts wren’t to be trusted but also that the governor of the Bank of England was biased.”
O’Brien repeated the line in a post on Twitter on Friday morning as the last ballots were counted and a ‘Leave’ win was officially confirmed.
I would like to be reassured by Mark Carney's words but can't help noting that the people who'll be in charge by Xmas told me not trust him.
The country woke up this morning to news that Britain is no longer the fifth biggest economy in the world. The country had fallen behind France after huge currency depreciation following a Brexit win.
The dramatic result wiped £122 billion of the value of the FTSE 100 within minutes - it dropped to 5,788.74 just after opening, a dramatic fall of more than 8%.
The pound has plummeted to a low not seen since 1985.
The LBC presenter bemoaned those who backed ‘Leave’ on Thursday seeking advice and stability from Mark Carney, following claims from leading Brexit figures he was “biased“, untrustworthy and should resign.
Carney had warned that the UK voting to leave the EU would cause an economic shock; within hours of the historic vote, the pound had fallen to its lowest value in 31 years.
But speaking on Friday, O’Brien lamented: “You listen to Mark Carney, who some of us listened to last week - and last month, and the month before - and found him very persuasive.
AP
Carney previously warned Brexit would have hugely negative ramifications to the economy
“How do you square that today if you’re one of the people who has been persuaded that we should completely ignore the insights or inputs of the Bank of England - because his words this morning have been really reassuring.
“He is one of the few people seriously to try and set a course through these stormy waters.”
Carney and many other “experts” had been criticised by Brexiteer and justice secretary Michael Gove for offering their opinion and advice too much.
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Michael Gove claimed people had ‘had enough of experts’
Continuing on Friday, O’Brien said the watershed moment in the referendum campaign came this morning when Carney warned Brexit posed “the most significant near-term risk” to the economy.
The LBC radio host explained: “The man who will probably be Prime Minister by Christmas has spent the last eight weeks telling us to disregard the insights and the expertise of men like Mark Carney.
“That for me would be a moment to really stop and wonder what the hell we’ve done because who do we turn to now for economic guidance and economic advice?
LBC
O’Brien wondered who Brexiters would turn to to steer them through Brexit’s volatile effect on the economy after rubbishing Carney’s advice in the campaign
“Who do we turn to for economic projections and economic policy? We turn to the governor of the Bank of England.
“But we live in a country where a referendum has just been won by people who told us that experts wren’t to be trusted but also that the governor of the Bank of England was biased.”
O’Brien repeated the line in a post on Twitter on Friday morning as the last ballots were counted and a ‘Leave’ win was officially confirmed.
I would like to be reassured by Mark Carney's words but can't help noting that the people who'll be in charge by Xmas told me not trust him.
The country woke up this morning to news that Britain is no longer the fifth biggest economy in the world. The country had fallen behind France after huge currency depreciation following a Brexit win.
The dramatic result wiped £122 billion of the value of the FTSE 100 within minutes - it dropped to 5,788.74 just after opening, a dramatic fall of more than 8%.
The pound has plummeted to a low not seen since 1985.
The sad part, the people with experience negotiating deals and experience in government, vast majority of them voted for remain.I wonder what exactly he expects the remain voters to do(I know it's just a lame tactic of making your opposition responsible for your very own brain fart)?
a) email-bomb Juncker *Give us our all-benefit-no-obligations-deal our great empire is rightfully entitled to already!!!*
b) conduct private diplomatic missions to the other 40ish contries outside the EU to spread the gospel of the rapture called free trade agreement with Ingurland
This almost worth a thread: If Brexit fails, it's on the apathy of the Remain voters. What do you expect them to contribute?
They're now the ones responsible for getting us out of this shite.
audioBoom: Asian Woman on being told by stranger "We've got our country back"
This for me is extremely upsetting cause I've experienced similar before right here in Birmingham.
https://audioboom.com/boos/4743194-asian-woman-on-being-told-by-stranger-we-ve-got-our-country-back
https://audioboom.com/boos/4743194-asian-woman-on-being-told-by-stranger-we-ve-got-our-country-back
Interesting point.
By that measure we have a very strong starting negotiating point. It also explains the hysterical reactions from the EU leaders yesterday. That said, since when has the EU cared about democracy or due process when it doesn't suit them? Expect Article 51 to appear by next week.
Your post is fuelled by things that just aren't true. The people in the EU are elected. The NHS will be privatised under Boris and Gove, they are both in record as being in favour of it. We have an unelected house of Lords and head of state. Nobody seems to care about that. The potential negative consequences of leaving are far more concerning than the things you can come up with regarding the EU.
Time will tell whether leaving the EU was the right or wrong thing. But What's the point of having millions of people vote, if the decision of the majority is systematically swept aside because it's not what the MP's were after?
Sounds like a dictatorship to me.
You've never lived under a dictator, then, so I'll assure you that Britain is far from being one.
Like I said elsewhere, when your capital (the financial capital of the world) and a disenchanted member state went the opposite way, it's not a United Kingdom exiting the EU, it's a potential clusterfeck, especially since the latter will push hard for a referendum that defeats the purpose of breaking away to begin with - to become a stronger nation that forges its own path. If you can spin a Scotland breakaway as being positive, give it a go. Right now, however, people are understandably concerned that this puts the union at risk once again. Just one of what I'm sure are many reservations.
Every single eligible individual in this country had the opportunity to vote on Thursday.
The monarchy shouldn't even be mentioned in this conversation as they are virtually irrelevant from a decision making point of view.
The House of Lords wanted to remain but despite this the country is leaving the EU. The people voted against them. So again not relevant.
The media are influential, but from my experience have been very pro remain.
Rightly or wrongly the majority of the people in this country have voted to leave.
We are leaving the EU despite the objections of pretty every senior politician in the country. Surely that is the very definition of a democratic society?
They are democratically elected. We voted them in to make decisions for us.
The only problem with that, is that delaying article 50 for as long as we want, hurts our economy more.
Leave campaigner Nigel Evans denies immigration will fall
Leave campaign should be put up for treason.
A lot of Leave voters on my Facebook stream are calling for the same thing as you. Ok, let's do it, let's all pull together and build a new UK. To start with, can you tell us exactly what it is that we should be doing to achieve this, and in particular what you personally are intending to do to build this new Britain? Details would be particularly appreiated, so we can all get to work as soon as possible.