Someone must have said to May 'F' off
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Someone must have said to May 'F' off
I know quite a few traditional Tories' who voted Brexit, in fact my two neighbours (either side) did, in fact I might have been convinced by them myself, true 'blues'.
Well now here's a turn up Paul, something we might both agree on?
I wouldn't say it was only traditional labour voters, p*** off at Blair, who voted out, otherwise the margin of 4% would not have been reached, surely a few previously uncommitted voters as well, people who have never voted before, chose Brexit, because they could see that by retaining the pound, and not joining the euro-zone, Britain would always be in the second division of the EU, going where it was pushed by the Euro countries, who quite naturally would look after their currency needs first. They also of course recognised Blair's arrogance over worries on immigration and he had opened the gates to literally thousands of migrants and there was a hope amongst some traditional Labour voters the Tories would stop that, and so many of them shed the habits of a lifetime and noses-held and fingers crossed they voted Tory, but of course the Tory's won't do anything of the sort, because immigration especially of the unskilled or limited skilled variety, provides cheap labour.
The Labour party meanwhile was fighting its own internal battles and the 'Cloud cuckoo land' lot, you referred to in an earlier post, won out! On balance, I think you are probably right to stay away from Britain, don't think you going to like what results when the Brexit dust settles, not a place for the faint hearted!
That could be good for Brexit, another country not in the EU or WTO looking for a quick trade deal.
No, it wasn't only traditional labour voters who now don't like Blair, I knew he was a twit 20 years ago but at the time he was the best thing since sliced bread to Labour supporters. Britain were never in the second division of the EU, they were at the forefront - unfortunately they decided to elect a bunch of idiots as MEPs and because they didn't do their job, they decided to blame the EU.
Regarding immigration, one minute the UK proudly announces it has very low unemployment and the next blames immigration for them taking all the jobs.
Now if the immigrants are all made unwelcome and they leave in their droves - doctors, nurses , people doing jobs the Brits don't want to do like picking fruit, cleaning and so on, what happens then , will the few remaining Brits that are out of work do these jobs, so everyone can be in work, no-one scrounging off the state, everyone paying their dues - sounds like utopia, or is it CCL.
When the Brexit dust settles the pre-referendum labour voters will return to vote Labour post Brexit when they realise they've been duped
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Im going to sound like paul here but they are all idiots knowing cameron was promising a ref
Sorry....Just thought when you said that BREXIT isn't a Tory or Labour thing....
All the Daily HateMail and Express readers are Tory....Likewise the Torygraph....None of them are likely to be Grauniad readers....
And a LEAVE vote was always on the cards.....
And Labour voters read the Financial Times - the gullibles read the Sun, Express and Mail - it's what they want to hear.
The Guardian has a tiny circulation. The Mirror was traditionally labour
The Metro is owned by the Mail as well , add the Star and the Telegraph that makes about 70-80% supposedly read by Tories
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I don't go skiing as there's a chance of avalanche, its not on the cards but it could happen.
Voting for that idiot Cameron was the stupidest thing one could have done. To say 'we didn't think people would vote leave' is just the worst excuse I have ever heard.
So the jocks got what they deserved and so did the uk, end of really.
Do you ever go outside?
Sort of proves the point that most Tory voters are / were anti-EU ( like me, although Stanley will be glad to hear I've never voted Tory in my life ) or pro-BREXIT, like many who were voting with their hearts maybe more than with their heads. So won't agree totally that they were/are gullible.
I think what was interesting, and I've mentioned this before, is that only 10 Labour MPs were supporting LEAVE but included quite a few of the old Labour dinosaurs, the dyed-in-the-wool, bare knuckle fighting Labour MPs - as opposed to the so-called New Labour MPs who worshiped Blair.
Ronnie Campbell - Blyth Valley
John Cryer - Leyton and Wanstead
Frank Field - Birkenhead
Roger Godsiff - Birmingham Hall Green
Kate Hoey - Vauxhall
Kelvin Hopkins - Luton North
John Mann - Bassetlaw
Dennis Skinner - Bolsover
Graham Stringer - Blackley and Broughton
Gisela Stuart - Birmingham Edgbaston
Anyone spot the spelling mistake before I edited it ??
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Think you'll find that the majority of Tory MPs were pro-Remain as well
https://www.ft.com/content/408da138-550b-11e7-80b6-9bfa4c1f83d2?mhq5j=e6
Yes yet their constituencies were not, about 58% for Brexit.
Yes...Agreed...Probably still are, but AT LAST are trying to do what the majority in the UK said they wanted to happen....
If only they ( and the all the other politicos - left / right, UK / EU / USA ) would LISTEN to what their electorates want instead of driving on with their own and the parties' agenda and dogma, then we wouldn't have the EU the way it now is ; BREXIT wouldn't have even been a topic : UKIP wouldn't exist ; 25% of the electorate here wouldn't have felt the need to vote for Le Pen in the first ballot ; Wilders would still be playing for PSV Reserves, etc, etc....
There is a limit of what you can listen. The government is there as well, or should be there, as well to protect us from our own stupidity
Yes - May and Boris are perfect examples - they've both been pro-Brexit and pro-Remain - if tomorrow it suited their personal future they'd be back to pro-Remain again. Everything is based on half-truths and lies and the last couple of years has proven that the majority of the electorate , and yes not just in the UK, cannot distinguish what is the truth and what is lies and yet they vote for whatever because they choose to believe what they want to believe and usually those who shout the loudest.
Which means either there's something wrong with the system, or people voted for their MP despite him/her being of a different view
Yes i just took the dog out and got rained on. Did not die and there was no grapes of wrath scenario when i got back. I knew i was taking little risk.
But they still delivered brexit. Well done tories
I genuinely worry for you since that day where you described dutch birthdays. Stay strong.
@Full bodied red listening to the electorate is ridiculous, they'd have the death penalty back for misdemeanours and a million other shit ideas.
Like Brexit.
Like Brexit.
Dutch circle partys are worse than any brexit scenarioI genuinely worry for you since that day where you described dutch birthdays. Stay strong.
Death penalty for a pm breaking promises? Sounds good to me.
https://www.ft.com/content/92bb5636-a95b-11e7-ab55-27219df83c97
Who needs the eu when you have a close relationship with the US?
Who needs the eu when you have a close relationship with the US?
Every time a Brexit argument is debunked, the goalposts change.
Business means business especially in capitalist US.
The uk had the best of two worlds. It acted as the US mouthpiece in the EU a service which was well compensated for and it was an EU member which protected it just in case the US grew greedy. Now it leaving the EU and it lost an important leverage with the US. Just ask the kurds or the south vietnamese on how the US treats friends that it doesnt need anymore
Meanwhile global britain's foreign Secretary is busy building close and bold ties with one of the richest countries in africa. Im quite close to the libyans myself and i assure you, no one hold grudges better then our neighbours
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...e-sirte-isis-civil-war-response-a7983171.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...e-sirte-isis-civil-war-response-a7983171.html
I am not a big fan of people are stupid sort of thing. However from my experience in politics im well aware of how easy ot is to demonise someone. Politicians love blaming others for their mistakes and an institution abroad is quite an easy target
Paul, Paul, there is non so blind as those who won't see...!
Britain has never been in the first division of the EU, we might have had some sway when it was the Common Market and only eight or nine countries, we might even have had some limited influence when it moved to being the EEC with twelve, but since the other 16 countries joined and it became the EU and the euro zone came into being, from then on we have not had any influence what so ever, by the time Cameron arrived we were in danger of dropping into the third division in the EU and... for good measure being the only member in that division!
We have to come out of the EU there is no other way! Yes, perhaps there were some people voting leave for the wrong reasons, I would argue there were even more voting remain for the wrong reason. The fact that Mrs T was able to get a rebate, was a tacit admission by the EU powers that they had been duping us on our subs payments for years. Jacque Delor was the main architect of the 'keep Britain in its place', movement and his spirit lives on through Juncker. We have been tolerated in the EU, simply because we 'bring more and take less' and our politicians were so weak and untruthful that the EU could practically tell us to 'feck off' and they did, time and time again. The MEP's are the main part of the gravy train and are required to do nothing only approve, or just occasionally amend what the unelected Commission has already decided to do.
It is possible Britain might crash out of the EU and its good to hear the Government is making contingency plans; however old cynic that I am I suspect a compromise will be found, maybe at the eleventh hour of the additional 2 year transition period, Britain will get what it wants or the majority of what it wants, but will have to pay a massive price, not much will appear above the Brexit water line, maybe around £20B, but underneath, the amount of money committed will keep the EU afloat until all the present politicians, in Britain and in the EU, have left the stage.
Job done...until they write their memoirs.
Massive sums, acceptance of the ecj sovreignity and FOM.
Will not appear above the Brexit line but will exist!
Some sort of compromise on ecj maybe, but the other two Britain gets what it wants, otherwise no 'under the counter' payments.
Both May and Juncker will have to fall on their swords as a result of this compromise, if the rest are lucky this will be the only 'blood-letting'
I think the EU will dig its heels to safeguard the union integrity while the tory party will refuse to concede to every demand the eu will ask. Hence why they wont go past a transitional deal which would be followed by a GE and jeremy c going into government.
Once JC is in government then the UK will become an EEA member
Yes, indeed, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"
Would like to think your right on this, but the Heseltine's and Clarke's may cause a wobble, enough to unsteady the good ship Brexit!
You've been reading those fairy tale books again haven't you?
Hhm...mm! Advanced ' Fairy Tale' reading, I'm quite impressed!
I dont think that getting rid of an incompetent government who provided 5 years of blunders and diplomatic incidents is fairy tales stuff especially since the uk are in this mess solely thanks to them and their lies
If JC wants unrestricted access to the single market then its only fair to think he will go to either an EEC or EFTA agreement
Sounds like paranoia to me, who is this person that teaches the Brexiters on here. Why are the Brexiters so obsessed with Juncker and don't understand how the EU works - why are they so concerned with the £10bn figure which they've already lost because of their actions so far, with far more to come. It makes no sense at all.
When the Uk is so much better off after they've left please come back and say I told you so. Think I've got a long wait.
So if you drove your car and someone smashed into you, is it your fault that you drove the car even though you did nothing wrong.
Exactly, so voting for your MP who was against Brexit meant nothing
I really wonder how people like @I Believe stil lcan think the EU will somehow falter in the last hour 
How massively must you overstate the role of GB in the world? How far detached do you have to be to just ignroe the facts that the EU is making up a massive amount of exports for the UK and a far, far far smaller amount of the EU's exports are going to GB? It's right there to see even for the dumbest of people to see who needs the other most.
They are in a massively advatageous position, they can, right now, just wait for the Tories to kill themselves and just shrug their shoulders if Britain shouldn't take the deal. Freedom of movement or nothing, simple.
How massively must you overstate the role of GB in the world? How far detached do you have to be to just ignroe the facts that the EU is making up a massive amount of exports for the UK and a far, far far smaller amount of the EU's exports are going to GB? It's right there to see even for the dumbest of people to see who needs the other most.They are in a massively advatageous position, they can, right now, just wait for the Tories to kill themselves and just shrug their shoulders if Britain shouldn't take the deal. Freedom of movement or nothing, simple.
It's off topic but your inclusion of Juncker shows a complete lack of understanding of the situation, he is a subaltern. And on topic, the EU won't compromise on its pillars, if you don't like it stop wasting everyone's time and just leave.
I think you'll find he's the emperor.
Seriously though, as soon as someone mentions Junker in this tone you may as well just ignore them as they quite obviously have absolutely no idea how the EU works.