That's tactical necessity not a bribe. The UK will never ever bribe anyone
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That's tactical necessity not a bribe. The UK will never ever bribe anyone
Not often Kentonio and I agree - but he's absoltely 101% correct here.
I survived the UK when Wilson let the unions run the country; likewise Callaghan.
More miraculously, I managed to survive when Heath and Thatcher screwed up the country for generations still to come.
Just really, really glad that I saw the light and left when I did - a man can only take so much.
Edited - Shit, thought it was Kentonio who said that....No wonder I'm surprised that I agreed with the statement.
At least not well
I've yet to see a government who does it well tbh
Britain in the 70s Holland in the 60s & 80s, France has taken over as strike capital of the eurozone they just don't have a Thatcher to batter everyone into submission. Closing coalmines to import from Australia cos it was cheaper( another race to the bottom ), trickle down economics which worked for the few, neoliberal politics at its best. European politics has been putting the power with the banks and large corporations to this day yet you condemn it in your post.
People went on strike cos they had the right to and so they should. And as to your last couple of sentences, if people were feeling the benefits the ref would have a different result. The fact that very few benefit is thanks to the neoliberal way of euro politics which you so much adore. Less we talk about experts the better. I mean does anyone really care how the country is doing so long as they can provide for their family?? Probably yeas but first and foremost not.
LOL! This is an OJEC publication its the EU's own court of auditors report, the EU auditing themselves, my goodness they have dozens of these... where are the independent auditors report?
No wonder the EU's in a mess, when I worked for the EU (late 9o's to early 00's) I asked 12 times for independent auditors to audit a relatively low cost project, Brussels refused every time.
So you're saying the European Court of Auditors is not independent and that their findings are in collusion with the EU to misrepresent the actual finances of the EU and it's the EU who's in a mess and not the UK and it's the EU that's going to disintegrate and not the UK economy
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36276175
https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/
Or something a bit like the National Audit Office or Public Accounts Committee in the UK
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Because this is all done by EU immigrants is it? 80% of all unemployed in this country are UK nationals. But the 20% EU citizens are the ones committing all the crime.Time to stop reading the Daily Express, bud.
Are you seriously defending the bung
The equivalent of a pin prick on a gnat's bollock compared to the £40 billion > £50 billion that Corbyn promised to give to students to vote Labour.
And then denied he'd actually promised to.....
But just as well that bribe didn't work, because Corbyn is whipping his MPs to vote against Brexit even though he privately supports it. Caroline Flint says MPs should rebel against the Labour whip. Thanks to Keir Starmer Labour officially want to stay in the single market during the transition, even though Corbynistas think the single market is a neoliberal tool of the bosses and want to leave it. Tom Watson says Labour could stay in the single market forever, yet John McDonnell says we have to leave it to respect the referendum result. Frontbenchers Jon Ashworth and Jenny Chapman say Watson is wrong, Heidi Alexander and Alison McGovern say he is right. Diane Abbott and Clive Lewis say Labour must support free movement, Corbyn and Starmer say free movement will end after Brexit. Barry Gardiner says staying in the customs union would be a “disaster“, yet Starmer says we should remain in “a” customs union during the transition. Watson says we could stay in indefinitely. Tony Blair says we should just stay in the EU but now says FoM needs to stop.
So I suppose £1 Billion to avoid Labour's very own self-imposed chaos is something of a bargain.
Well you've made that up.
If you read the article youve linked, its clear he never said he would abolish existing student debt. No one who follows politics seriously thought that
But at the same time
The garden tax is based in sound economics and the dementia tax was better than what we have right now.
That's politics. People will beat you up for something you didn't say.
No he isn't you utter imbecile.
Though it was awfully nice of you to point out that you're clueless before the wall of text really got going.
I mean, it's really nice of you to prove my point for me. But isn't it usual to try and link to something that backs up your viewpoint? (Not that you can, because you've made it up mind)
It's ironic you bring this up this week actually seeing as Theresa May is reportedly trying to win back young voters by altering the terms of student debt retroactively to ease the burden caused by interest payments.
But one rule for the Tories and one rule for everyone else right?
I'm just imaging how long you could make a list of contradictory things various members of the Brexit team have said or done.
That's what I don't really understand about the current Brexit supporters posting here. If you're of the opinion that Brexit could be a good thing, then surely you should be absolutely seething with the completely clueless, bungling imbeciles in charge of it right now for fecking it up.
I think rcoobc probably know the difference between promising to end student loans going forward and writing off student debt.
Unfortunately you don't, but perhaps you should go and look it up before you continue to make a tit of yourself?
So where does it actually say what you've claimed you nightmare of a man
So where does it actually say what you've claimed you nightmare of a man
Posting the very thing that proves you wrong over and over again is certainly an interesting tactic.
I never mentioned writing off student debt -
compared to the £40 billion > £50 billion that Corbyn promised to give to students to vote Labour.
And the difference is ??
Maybe you couldn't make it to Uni yourself so get easily confused if you have to think about something before answering.
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The elbow is the joint between the forearm and the upper arm.
Free higher education for our future generations benefits us all you melt.
One was a manifesto policy. One was an after the fact bribe.
No disputing that, so why the personal insult ?
You're a tad confused I think.
Labour wrote a manifesto. A tax and spend manifesto. They were going to tax. And they were going to spend. The promised to privatise, they promised to fund public projects, and they promised to scrap tuition fees.
This was going to cost a lot. But their numbers more or less added up depending on how much people thought they would bring in from their increased tax rates.
Later, some people started claiming that Labour were promising to scrap the existing student debt. This wasn't a manifesto promise, although Corbyn did say he would look at it. Later, others criticised him for backtracking, forcing Corbyn to say "I never said we would abolish student debt" (your link)
No one is saying that Labour's policy wouldn't cost a lot. It would.
But saying "there is no magic money tree" and then finding £1bn to pay a bribe is something else.
Labour wrote a manifesto. A tax and spend manifesto. They were going to tax. And they were going to spend. The promised to privatise, they promised to fund public projects, and they promised to scrap tuition fees.
This was going to cost a lot. But their numbers more or less added up depending on how much people thought they would bring in from their increased tax rates.
Later, some people started claiming that Labour were promising to scrap the existing student debt. This wasn't a manifesto promise, although Corbyn did say he would look at it. Later, others criticised him for backtracking, forcing Corbyn to say "I never said we would abolish student debt" (your link)
No one is saying that Labour's policy wouldn't cost a lot. It would.
But saying "there is no magic money tree" and then finding £1bn to pay a bribe is something else.
No Repeal Bill, Brexit on hold yet again.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...jeremy-corbyn-whips-leave-eu-go-a7930616.html
Or that too complicated for you to understand ?
Wow, this bill not getting passed tonight untriggers Article 50? I can't believe none of the MPs in the debate or even the words in the bill say that.
You're a tad confused I think.
Labour wrote a manifesto. A tax and spend manifesto. They were going to tax. And they were going to spend. The promised to privatise, they promised to fund public projects, and they promised to scrap tuition fees.
This was going to cost a lot. But their numbers more or less added up depending on how much people thought they would bring in from their increased tax rates.
Later, some people started claiming that Labour were promising to scrap the existing student debt. This wasn't a manifesto promise, although Corbyn did say he would look at it. Later, others criticised him for backtracking, forcing Corbyn to say "I never said we would abolish student debt" (your link)
No one is saying that Labour's policy wouldn't cost a lot. It would.
But saying "there is no magic money tree" and then finding £1bn to pay a bribe is something else.
No....Not confused....
The Tories paid out a €1 billion bribe to stay in power.
Labour wanted to pay out a €40 billion bribe to get into power.
Well, at least you admit the Tories paid a bribe.
Just thick then?
A policy is a bribe?
Boy wait until he finds out about the Triple Lock.
In latest shock news: Politician lies in order to obtain power!!
What I like about EU spending is there is no votes to be won by it, so it goes where it's needed. The DUP got a billion but this will mean even more austerity for the rest of us
Heh, your country is gonna lose a hell of a lot more money per billion by leaving the EU than by staying in and paying for those "motorways".
At least the NHS will be thriving with all that money going to .. oh wait.
Quite, and Corbyn is guilty of that too, but in this instance he's getting flak from people who like to portray young people as thick because because they imagine he said something that he didn't, imagine other people made the same mistake they did, and are imaging he's denying saying something he did rather than the statement that he didn't
Certain irony there...
I'd answer you all, but...
I'm off to earn some unexpected money, ironically, courtesy of the EU and need to get the paperwork sorted pronto.
40 metric tonnes of fresh cut flowers and Mange-tout peas from Kenya can't go directly from Kenya to the UK because EU Tarrifs would make them more ( too ? ) expensive in the supermarkets.
Solution ?
We're taking them to Turkey, where the paperwork will be ' adjusted ' by an allegedly reputable import/export company to make Turkey their country of origin and then we'll take them on to the UK on behalf of the ( now ) Turkish owners because they can then enter the UK Tariff free.
And don't think this doesn't happen with thousands of shipments out of Africa every night - just that tonight we have space on an aircraft that was originally going to the UK anyway, so all a bit of an unexpected bonus for us.
So I'll leave you guys to have a circle jerk around the EU flag and hopefully see you all again tomorrow for another load of bollocks.
I'm off to earn some unexpected money, ironically, courtesy of the EU and need to get the paperwork sorted pronto.
40 metric tonnes of fresh cut flowers and Mange-tout peas from Kenya can't go directly from Kenya to the UK because EU Tarrifs would make them more ( too ? ) expensive in the supermarkets.
Solution ?
We're taking them to Turkey, where the paperwork will be ' adjusted ' by an allegedly reputable import/export company to make Turkey their country of origin and then we'll take them on to the UK on behalf of the ( now ) Turkish owners because they can then enter the UK Tariff free.
And don't think this doesn't happen with thousands of shipments out of Africa every night - just that tonight we have space on an aircraft that was originally going to the UK anyway, so all a bit of an unexpected bonus for us.
So I'll leave you guys to have a circle jerk around the EU flag and hopefully see you all again tomorrow for another load of bollocks.