I'm not sure the wealthy were entirely against Brexit. They're pro status quo for the most part but they always seem to get stronger during economic catastrophes. It's their interests which are being represented in exit negotiation.
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I'm not sure you understand what a party manifesto is. The Tory manifesto was clearly for a referendum, and the both Labour and the Liberals against.
edit: Farage wanted one as well.
You're talking as if the party manifesto was to leave - it was to have an advisory vote, that's all.
Apart from anything else I wasn't even interested in UK politics in 2015 or in 2010. I haven't voted in the UK since 2005 but some on here are trying to insinuate I was partly responsible
.It was only in latter 2015 that warning signs showed something incredibly stupid was afoot in good old Blighty
True but people don't generally vote on a single issue, just as it was wrong to paint people voting Labour in this year's election as supporting a hard Brexit just because Labour or at least Corbyn had indicated they would leave the single market. The sad truth is a lot of people (not least Cameron) were complacent about the likely outcome of a referendum, probably not realising just how fractured British society had become.
As for the wealthy Tories getting their deserts, it's more a case of the super-rich (Banks, Murdoch etc) achieving their nefarious aims by coopting gullible people with an ill-defined grievance (see also Donald Trump).
Someone's got something right, do I need to apologise for being thus?
If you can call voting to destroy the lives of disabled people right, then no need to apologise.
I stand guilty of insufficient Farage knowledge, it's true.
All white heterosexuals destroy disabled peoples lives?
Are you dense? Every conservative voter is responsible for suffering they cause.
What the hell are you on about?
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-skies-eu-deal-flights-airlines-a7921536.html
Ryanair coming in with empty threats
Ryanair coming in with empty threats
The idea that Theresa May is as despicable as Corbyn, or most other politicians at that, is bollocks. Her and a healthy majority of conservative MPs are genuinely bad people.
It's amazing that a group of people who consistently vote to make the lives of disabled people worse aren't hounded out of the country.
Presume you mean you think May is more despicable than Corbyn - I don't hold any politician in any high regard, most of them are in it for their own benefit and when people vote they usually do it for their own benefit as well. As I haven't voted for any politician or event anywhere in the world in the last 12 years ...
You're talking as if the party manifesto was to leave - it was to have an advisory vote, that's all.
Apart from anything else I wasn't even interested in UK politics in 2015 or in 2010. I haven't voted in the UK since 2005 but some on here are trying to insinuate I was partly responsible
It was only in latter 2015 that warning signs showed something incredibly stupid was afoot in good old Blighty
Was the word advisory in the manifesto? Was it mentioned by Cameron and his team even once in the campaign? Was it in the wording of the referendum question itself?
I'm not insinuating you're to blame for anything, unless you voted Tory in 2015, in which case you are.
You do seem strangely sensitive about it, but I suppose there could be many reasons for that.
You don't have to hold them in high regard. Even if all politicians were self interested sociopaths, it's obvious in their voting record that some are significantly worse than others.
As I said I've no idea what was in the manifesto in 2015 or 2010 and as I said I haven't voted for years. I'm not sensitive about it, just find it funny when people are trying to shift blame from the obvious reasons
No, they voted for a referendum by proxy and this referendum had only 2 outcomes. so yeah, they have got exactly what they deserve and they should just shut it now and get on with it. Blaming labour voters for anything is ridiculous. Personally I hope all tory voters suffer for their naivety, I really do.
True but regard is maybe the wrong word, I wouldn't trust any of them, but in the end people vote for those who would appear more beneficial or least damaging to their own personal situation
This is Exactly how people vote
No you blame the Tory voters who voted to leave, you blame the UKIP voters who voted for leave and the Labour voters who voted for leave or any other party.
Surely the 2015 GE was not just about one thing. The most likely outcome of the referendum was to stay, even Farage thought so just the night before the result.
How could any of them vote if there was no referendum. Blame lies with cameron and his voters. The End
But there was a referendum and they did have a choice what to vote for, no-one forced them to vote leave, only because they believed what they were brainwashed into believing - what is it now then , because the reality is starting to hit home, it's "wasn't my fault, guv"
Not in a general election. I am fairly certain most of Corbyn's younger supporters are pro-EU, just as most centre-right conservative voters in 2015 focused more on their general level of confidence in Cameron/Osbourne vs Milliband/Balls rather than the referendum bone thrown to the rabid Eurosceptic wing.
Paul, no tory govt no ref, its not.hard.to get. I saw a bloke in the bookies back an odds on horse in a 2 horse race, guess what happened?
I used.to work with this builder in thr 90s, hos mum didnt know how to vote so.he asked her what her main concern was, nuclear threat, so she voted tory.
Just because Trump's got a nuclear weapon, doesn't mean he has to press the red button, although the way people are turning into mindless zombies, guess what happened?
My Dad was a builder and he voted Leave. The lesson is, don't take political advice from builders. We can all come up with anecdotes but I do not think most Tory voters voted for Cameron in 2015 because of the referendum pledge. It was a strategic move to shut up his right wing and neutralise UKIP. It may have carried him from a hung parliament to a majority but I doubt most Tory voters below 50 cared too much about this issue, and certainly not the professional class in the City referred to in the "it bit them on the arse" comment above to which I originally responded.
No they didnt vote for cameron cos of ref, i might have mentioned that a thousand times. Its what they got by proxy, they knew that and have to live with that..get it?
If i give you a box of fireworks, do you have more or less chance of a firework injury than if i didnt? We know the answer dont we?
No difference, I wouldn't be stupid enough to hold onto a lit rocket even though some bloke called Nigel or Boris told me it wouldn't be dangerous.
Indeed - so rather than blame people who thought Cameron was a better bet than Milliband for a host of reasons (notwithstanding the pledge to hold a referendum that was expected to be a comfortable win for remain), we are back to blaming the people who voted for it, people who swallowed the lies and thought leaving the EU would somehow reverse 80+ years of ecomomic decay and that oversized fomer market towns could get back some of their old glory. In other words, the mug who signed up to the Brexit ticket is a lot more responsible than the person who, among many other considerations, which may or may not have included the referendum,voted Conservative.
You are missing or avoiding the point. I think you know which.
The point is that holding the referendum was fair enough, even though I don't agree with them because the people who vote in them do not have the necessary qualifications or information to make an informed decision.
I even accept people voting the opposite of my opinion as long as they are properly informed and understand the consequences of their actions. But when it is blindingly obvious that so many people voted because they were lied to, so misinformed and still now don't realise what the consequences of those actions will be, it is beyond belief.
Thats avoiding the point and you know damn well. You are trying to blame others for your like minded set's stupidity.
So if I give you a gun, you have no willpower not to shoot yourself, thus you will shoot yourself and thus you will believe that I have murdered you.
This is exactly the feeble-mindedness that I'm moaning about.
Whoever voted for Cameron's Tory party was also voting for a Brexit referendum. It is that simple.
We need to stop agreeing with Stanley, this isn't healthy.
I don't