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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Berbaclass said:
Yeah it's not nice finding out that close friends/family are gullible idiots :(
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And it's precisely that kind of attitude which means that leave won the day.
If you can't or worse won't engage with those people, who by your reasoning make up over half of the country then you are in trouble.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
A lot of rehashing of posts here to see who can sound the most intelligently pissed off about the decision.

Right or wrong it's done, Britain has survived much worse, and will survive this, wallowing in self pity will only make the recovery longer and more painful.
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Who will survive it? The woman with a debilitating illness that kills herself because the incoming cabinet strip away yet more money and the remaining shred of dignity she has left? What about the single mum that will struggle to send her children to school in proper uniform? What about 17 year old grafter that really wants to go to university but can't afford to, instead destined to wallow in their soulless former mining town working for £6.70 per hour?

People talk about Britain as if it's some kind of concrete object. It isn't. It's full of good people that are about to be relentlessly pursued and punished because of where they were born and because they don't have much money. Maybe it was like this anyway, but what is to come will be unprecedented.
 
The Purley King said:
Yes, exactly.
The same attitude that remain had all along.
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What are you talking about :lol:

I said that I was shocked and surprised that my close friend decided to vote Leave despite having little knowledge of any implications. How does that attitude have anything to do with Brexit winning?

Brexit won because an awful lot of people voted in their favour despite not knowing the the implications of leaving would be...
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I love the blind optimism :lol: I'd wager this would be anything but smooth. Infact it does not even have to be hard. EU nations can just drag their feet in negotiating the trade deals...which will leave a host of UK companies in the lurch. UK has absolutely no leverage to warrant a smooth transition.
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The EU dragging their feet on trade deals? That is what they do! I voted remain FWIW but all this extreme pessimism just cracks me up. I would wager that the current trade deal will remain in place until the new one is agreed.

The EU has no interest in acting like a petulant bully to a nation that has democratically voted to leave it. It would just increase Eurosceptism in other countries IMO. An oppressive entity only stirs feelings of defiance. We won't have a deal as good as the one we currently do have but we can pursue deals with other countries like China, India and Japan that the EU has failed to complete because of all the conflicting interests that comes with the economic union.

Brexit doesn't suit me personally and I feel it highly likely that we could have up to five tough years. But it has happened now so we have to cope and look for a way to make it work.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
The EU has no interest in acting like a petulant bully to a nation that has democratically voted to leave it. It would just increase Eurosceptism in other countries IMO. An oppressive entity only stirs feelings of defiance. We won't have a deal as good as the one we currently do have but we can pursue deals with other countries like China, India and Japan that the EU has failed to complete because of all the conflicting interests that comes with the economic union.
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I think the opposite. The EU wants our transition to be as painful as possible, with as little benefit as possible, as a warning for anyone else.
Classical Mechanic said:
Is there a realistic chance of a Frexit?
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Doubt they're foolish enough to go to a referendum.
 
Still feel like we'll get a 2nd referendum tbh. The leavers are going to learn a lot more in the next few months than they do now about the consequences of leaving, there will be a hundred issues they've never even thought about. I reckon the rising petrol prices alone will sway a fickle million or so.
 
Simbo said:
Still feel like we'll get a 2nd referendum tbh. The leavers are going to learn a lot more than they already know about consequences of leaving, there will be a hundred issues they've never even thought about. I reckon the rising petrol prices alone will sway a fickle million or so.
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I hope and think this might be the case
 
VorZakone said:
What would these opposing countries gain by opposing a trade agreement if France and Germany, the EU's 2 main players, gain from it and actively push for it? Would they really annoy France and Germany if it doesn't hurt them anyway?
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The payments that we say we are not going to give them and access for their citizens to the UK?
 
simon_xazza said:
Where? there is nothing in the news I can find
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Read here

Italian newspaper,

http://www.repubblica.it/economia/2016/06/24/news/brexit_fca-142713861/?refresh_ce

Quel che è certo è che l'uscita di Londra dall'Ue avrà conseguenze di medio periodo importanti sull'industria dell'auto. Salta la convenienza a produrre sull'isola e molte aziende stanno pensando di rilocalizzare i siti produttivi sul continente. Paradossalmente Brexit ha vinto a Sunderland dove c'è uno stabilimento della Nissan che occupa 7.000 dipendenti e che ora rischia la chiusura. 'Si apre un futuro incerto', ammoniscono in queste ore i vertici di Bmw e non è una dichiarazione rassicurante per gli operai inglesi del brand tedesco.

via google translator:

What is certain is that the output of London by the EU will have important medium-term consequences on the automotive industry. Jump convenience to produce on the island and many companies are planning to relocate production sites on the continent. Paradoxically Brexit won at Sunderland where there is a factory of Nissan employs 7,000 employees and is now likely to close. 'It opens an uncertain future', warn at this time the leaders of BMW and is not a reassuring statement to the British workers of the German brand.
 
Revan said:
Not really. The referendum yesterday showed the contrary. Most of the Leave propaganda was exactly that: we're proud Englishmen who don't want to be ruled from others, and feck the others, with the occasional 'we give 350m pounds per second to EU'.

World war is obviously a long shot, but it is quite sad to see that after more than 50 years of the western civilization going toward the left (more human rights especially for discriminated groups like LGBT, women becoming more educated and more powerful, an Afro American becoming president of US etc etc), now it seems to be going the other way around with the nationalist and religious movements taking power.

Just look at the most powerful states in the world:

- US: it is probable that a fascist will become president
- China: China
- Japan: alright
- Germany - alright, and actually playing the role of the savior for many things.
- UK - a decisive far right victory yesterday
- France - A far right wing politician being favorite to win the next election
- Italy - alright for the moment
- India: far right prime minister
- Russia: far right
- Israel: far right
- Turkey: far right

Even less powerful countries in Europe like Poland, Hungary, Austria (a far right politician almost became president), Serbia and so on are moving again toward far right and nationalist movements are getting stronger than they have been in a very long time. And that is problem, considering that both far left and far right are extremely dangerous, but one group is gaining momentum based on lies, national/religious movements and racism.

If the world continues like this, it will be a bad world in my opinion.
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Good post. And the best part is that the most significant challenge to our species, global warming, requires a global, cooperation-based anti-industry response.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
The EU dragging their feet on trade deals? That is what they do! I voted remain FWIW but all this extreme pessimism just cracks me up. I would wager that the current trade deal will remain in place until the new one is agreed.

The EU has no interest in acting like a petulant bully to a nation that has democratically voted to leave it. It would just increase Eurosceptism in other countries IMO. An oppressive entity only stirs feelings of defiance. We won't have a deal as good as the one we currently do have but we can pursue deals with other countries like China, India and Japan that the EU has failed to complete because of all the conflicting interests that comes with the economic union.

Brexit doesn't suit me personally and I feel it highly likely that we could have up to five tough years. But it has happened now so we have to cope and look for a way to make it work.
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how? you have Europe in between...

Stuff can't just teletransport and appear in England.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Is there a realistic chance of a Frexit?
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Without Le Pen president, it will never happen. And Le Pen has almost no chance of winning it, Sarkozy who is really unpopular is only 2 points behind her in the first round and people will vote for him if he ends up against Le Pen in the second round. If it's Juppé, Le Pen will be embarassed.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Is there a realistic chance of a Frexit?
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No chance. France embodies everything the conservative brit hates about the EU.
Le Pen tries to capitalize on xenophobia, but overwhelming majority of issues in france evolve around their citizens from the former colonies. They all have a french passport already.
She'll have a hard time making up proper enough BS that could trick enough voters in believing a Frexit would be a good thing. And I'm not even starting about the french farmers. Good luck messing with them and their subsideries...
 
Classical Mechanic said:
The EU dragging their feet on trade deals? That is what they do! I voted remain FWIW but all this extreme pessimism just cracks me up. I would wager that the current trade deal will remain in place until the new one is agreed.

The EU has no interest in acting like a petulant bully to a nation that has democratically voted to leave it. It would just increase Eurosceptism in other countries IMO. An oppressive entity only stirs feelings of defiance. We won't have a deal as good as the one we currently do have but we can pursue deals with other countries like China, India and Japan that the EU has failed to complete because of all the conflicting interests that comes with the economic union.

Brexit doesn't suit me personally and I feel it highly likely that we could have up to five tough years. But it has happened now so we have to cope and look for a way to make it work.
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Yeah just ask Greece.
 
Kag said:
Who will survive it? The woman with a debilitating illness that kills herself because the incoming cabinet strip away yet more money and the remaining shred of dignity she has left? What about the single mum that will struggle to send her children to school in proper uniform? What about 17 year old grafter that really wants to go to university but can't afford to, instead destined to wallow in their soulless former mining town working for £6.70 per hour?

People talk about Britain as if it's some kind of concrete object. It isn't. It's full of good people that are about to be relentlessly pursued and punished because of where they were born and because they don't have much money. Maybe it was like this anyway, but what is to come will be unprecedented.
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*applauds*

And it's not merely about survival; it's also about quality of life.
 
George Owen said:
how? you have Europe in between...

Stuff can't just teletransport and appear in England.
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Those countries are all in the list of our top ten non EU trading partners so I think we can!

JPRouve said:
Without Le Pen president, it will never happen. And Le Pen has almost no chance of winning it, Sarkozy who is really unpopular is only 2 points behind her in the first round and people will vote for him if he ends up against Le Pen in the second round. If it's Juppé, Le Pen will be embarassed.
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Thanks.

2ndTouch said:
And I'm not even starting about the french farmers. Good luck messing with them and their subsideries...
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Good point!
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
A lot of rehashing of posts here to see who can sound the most intelligently pissed off about the decision.

Right or wrong it's done, Britain has survived much worse, and will survive this, wallowing in self pity will only make the recovery longer and more painful.
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Mate it's been less than 24 hours. The recovery part isn't anywhere near starting yet
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I am not saying that the British will make anyone swallow terms. When it comes to it, it will be in everyone's best interests to make it as smooth as possible. Granted the big egos in Brussels that thought they couldn't be touched might be spitting the dummy now but they will have to behave like adults when it comes to brokering a deal that will have huge ramifications for the whole world.
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Not even if our PM is a BJ?
 
"What is the EU" is the top UK search in Google. What is wrong with this country?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
We won't have a deal as good as the one we currently do have but we can pursue deals with other countries like China, India and Japan that the EU has failed to complete because of all the conflicting interests that comes with the economic union.
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These conflicting interests don't magically vanish, just because the UK negotiates on its own behalf. These countries have highly protected markets, very low interest in respecting european patent law, etc,etc.
 
berbatrick said:
Good post. And the best part is that the most significant challenge to our species, global warming, requires a global, cooperation-based anti-industry response.
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Indeed, it is actually something that I am interested even more than in economy. And the sad part is that most of the right wing parties don't even acknowledge that global warming as a problem (of course, CDU is the exception).
 
2ndTouch said:
These conflicting interests don't magically vanish, just because the UK negotiates on its own behalf. These countries have highly protected markets, very low interest in respecting european patent law, etc,etc.
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Satisfying the needs of two countries is far easier than satisfying the needs of 20+, naturally
 
JPRouve said:
Juppé is favorite for the first round with 38%, Le Pen 27% and then Melenchon 21%.
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I stand corrected then. For some reasons (maybe there was some other poll a few months ago), I thought that Le Pen is favorite.

It is still concerning though how almost 1/3 of French people support her. Don't they have just 2 members of the parliament at the moment? It will be hundreds after the new election.
 
Maybe some thought we were voting on leaving the United Arab Emirates.
 
Penna said:
At least the vast majority of the oldies have put something in, work and/or money-wise.
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True, but does that mean that people who rely on benefits should have a lesser vote? Some are more equal than others because they've had more time to contribute than others that are just starting their (working) adult life?
 
This still has to be voted on by parliament no? Is there any chance the UK will stay in the the EU or is it a foregone conclusion that they are out? I read a piece a few weeks ago that said parliament favoured staying and that if the vote was close then they'd elect to stay in anyway. Any truth to that or was it bollocks?
 
limerickcitykid said:
This still has to be voted on by parliament no? Is there any chance the UK will stay in the the EU or is it a foregone conclusion that they are out? I read a piece a few weeks ago that said parliament favoured staying and that if the vote was close then they'd elect to stay in anyway. Any truth to that or was it bollocks?
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The government can decide against it if they wish. Nothing is set in stone.
 
barros said:
I know I said I wouldn't come back for this thread yet... but with this figures looks like the EU loses more than UK

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports
Last Reference Previous Highest
Imports 48239.00 GBP Million Apr/16 46212.00 48703.00
Exports 44945.00 GBP Million Apr/16 42680.00 45102.00
Imports from European Union 19270.00 GBP Million Nov/15 18896.00 19270.00
Imports of Non-eu 15720.50 GBP Million Nov/15 18088.27 23888.36
Exports of Non-eu 13937.35 GBP Million Nov/15 13341.02 23443.93
Exports to European Union 11073.00 GBP Million Nov/15 11239.00 15903.00

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

3 million of EU citizens living in UK and 1.2 million of Britons living in EU (more than half in Spain).

Most of you talk like UK needs the EU that bad when is not the reality, actually they need UK.
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Why do you argue with absolute numbers? That would only make sense if the EU would be a super state, where all the money and economy is centralised? It is not. The EU is an Union, an umbrella organisation/federation for 27 countries which is supposed to create a place to work and trade with each other.

The difference in the economical power scale and consequences can actually be summed up rather easily. As long as the UK won´t be a part of the single market, 27 individual nations will have a harder time to trade with a single country. That country on the other hand will have trouble to trade with all of the 27 nations. It loses easy trading access to a whole region. The damage for the UK will be concentrated completely on them, while it will be split amongst all of the EU members. They would have a way easier time to deal with that than the UK.

Let´s take my country for example. We are the most affected by the Brexit as we are their most important business partner in Europe. In theory from an economical standpoint we have the biggest reason to allow the UK to stay inside the single market. The problem here is that we also have the biggest political reason for not letting them off easily here and offer them a good trade deal. We want a stable EU, we need a stable EU the most out of all EU members. While we are the biggest contributor to the Union, we also profit the most from it as we are not only the biggst economy but also in difference to the UK an economy clearly geared towards export and the majority of our wealth comes from that.

The government will try everything they can to prevent a chain reaction of other EU members leaving from happening. That is why our political leader, our finance minister and our main guy in the EU made some pretty serious statements today.

The upcoming negotiations will be pretty damn tough for the UK, especially as the Brexit has created a pretty damning split of the country. The possiblity of Scotland leaving is very real and as they clearly showed their will to be part of the EU, I don´t see any reason for them to be not welcomed back. Without the Scots the UK will lose even more leverage in these negotiations and as the UK are in for years of economical uncertainty, I can see a pretty big part of one of their key sectors (finances) moving away aswell into the heart of the EU and their biggest nation. The prospect of Frankfurt succeeding London as financial capital of the EU might very well play a role in Germany´s stance aswell.
 
Revan said:
I stand corrected then. For some reasons (maybe there was some other poll a few months ago), I thought that Le Pen is favorite.

It is still concerning though how almost 1/3 of French people support her. Don't they have just 2 members of the parliament at the moment? It will be hundreds after the new election.
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Most of them don't support her, they are against the rest, that's why the FN often lose badly in the second round.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Satisfying the needs of two countries is far easier than satisfying the needs of 20+, naturally
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You want free markets. They don't. You want your patents and know-how protected. They couldn't care less. The fundamental conflicts are shared by the UK just as much as by Germany, the Netherlands or France.
Leaving the EU doesn't bring you an inch further to getting around this.
 
::sonny:: said:
There is some realistic chance for Spain and Netherlands
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Netherlands wanting to leave is something that cannot understand. The feckers are only one of the few EU members that have a net positive trade with EU.
 
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