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[Full bodied red]

Do you seriously believe that the UK should enjoy the same rights outside of the EU as they do within the EU?

Absolutely not. Then again, I'm just one of the majority who are so pissed off with the EU and everything it has become that we now reckon the negatives of membership are more than any advantages of membership. Tarrif free trade isn't the be-all and end-all, you know.

The important part is that if you had a car accident MMA wouldn't pay out, even though you talk as if they should

No....Plenty of other insurers were happy to take over from MMA when the policy ran out, and most of them were cheaper.

But you weren't telling everyone that you would negotiate a better deal with MMA, weren't you?

I was telling anyone who was happy to listen that I would - and I did ! It was only MMA who said I wouldn't get a better deal, so they weren't prepared to reduce the price.

 

[devilish]

Absolutely not. Then again, I'm just one of the majority who are so pissed off with the EU and everything it has become that we now reckon the negatives of membership are more than any advantages of membership. Tarrif free trade isn't the be-all and end-all, you know.




No....Plenty of other insurers were happy to take over from MMA when the policy ran out, and most of them were cheaper.




I was telling anyone who was happy to listen that I would - and I did ! It was only MMA who said I wouldn't get a better deal, so they weren't prepared to reduce the price.

Good luck convincing India, the US or China to give you unrestricted access to their markets. They tend to be more protectionists then the EU is and the UK is small fry for them. But hey, you can live without the US, India, Russia, Brazil, the EU and China right?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Absolutely not. Then again, I'm just one of the majority who are so pissed off with the EU and everything it has become that we now reckon the negatives of membership are more than any advantages of membership. Tarrif free trade isn't the be-all and end-all, you know.


No....Plenty of other insurers were happy to take over from MMA when the policy ran out, and most of them were cheaper.

I was telling anyone who was happy to listen that I would - and I did ! It was only MMA who said I wouldn't get a better deal, so they weren't prepared to reduce the price.

I added a bit to my post while you were replying.
The MMA would like to keep you as a customer but since you no longer pay the premiums unfortunately your insurance cover has ceased.

You're one of the 'majority' in the UK, not in the EU, but it's not just about tariff free trade as has been pointed out by many in the last 382 pages of this thread.
There may be some negatives but I'm still waiting to learn what the positives will be (and I don't mean the pie in the sky fantasy land positives) in the real world.

 

[Full bodied red]

Good luck convincing India, the US or China to give you unrestricted access to their markets. They tend to be more protectionists then the EU is and the UK is small fry for them

You're perhaps right.

Then again, perhaps you're wrong. Let's see....

But after chucking €100s of millions into the EU's' bottomless pit for a generation, as you say, the UK deserves a bit of luck.

The MMA would like to keep you as a customer but since you no longer pay the premiums unfortunately your insurance cover has ceased.

And I would have stayed with them if they'd been more competitive. Just like all the utility companies, phone operators and insurers in the UK, these days, existing customers are taken for granted - there's always cheaper, better deals available for new customers. MMA aren't unique in this...And neither are the EU.

 

[2ndTouch]

Good luck convincing India, the US or China to give you unrestricted access to their markets. They tend to be more protectionists then the EU is and the UK is small fry for them. But hey, you can live without the US, India, Russia, Brazil, the EU and China right?

It doesn't even end here. Every single trade agreement the UK enjoyed under the EU banner will need to be renegotiated. From what I could gather, May & Friends really seem to think they could just take the EU treaties, replace the EU logo with a UK one, and be done with it. I find that to be absurdly delusional.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

You're perhaps right.

Then again, perhaps you're wrong. Let's see....

But after chucking €100s of millions into the EU's' bottomless pit for a generation, as you say, the UK deserves a bit of luck.



And I would have stayed with them if they'd been more competitive. Just like all the utility companies, phone operators and insurers in the UK, these days, existing customers are taken for granted - there's always cheaper, better deals available for new customers. MMA aren't unique in this...And neither are the EU.

What on the surface may seem a better deal, always wise to read the small print before making a leap in the dark as it could turn out to be a very expensive mistake

 

[devilish]

You're perhaps right.

Then again, perhaps you're wrong. Let's see....

But after chucking €100s of millions into the EU's' bottomless pit for a generation, as you say, the UK deserves a bit of luck.
.

Then why hesitating? The UK can pull the plug and leave in a month's time. No one is stopping the UK from doing so. Brexit is no big deal in Europe and when discussing Brexit the EU is more interested in making sure the UK pays its dues then in signing a trade deal with the UK. It comes with no surprise since both Obama and Trump came with the same conclusion that a trade deal with the UK is hardly high priority.

Also note that the UK entered the EU as the sick person of Europe and is leaving it as the 6th strongest economy in the world + The economy is already struggling thanks to Brexit and the country hasn't even left yet.

No one can and will give the UK what the EU gives.

A- because no trade deal on earth provides unrestricted access to the single market (certainly not one signed by the US, China, Russia, India and Brazil).

B- because Europe is close and geography does matter

Trump toyed with the idea of removing NAFTA and he ended up backpaddling furiously and we're talking of a superpower here not the UK

 

[2ndTouch]

And I would have stayed with them if they'd been more competitive. Just like all the utility companies, phone operators and insurers in the UK, these days, existing customers are taken for granted - there's always cheaper, better deals available for new customers. MMA aren't unique in this...And neither are the EU.

But you aren't a new customer. In terms of international trade you are just a former member of a big purchasing syndicate which now acts on its own and somehow hopes to get better conditions even though its purchasing power is drastically smaller than under the syndicate's umbrella.
This is la-la think.

 

[Full bodied red]

Then why hesitating? The UK can pull the plug and leave in a month's time. No one is stopping the UK from doing so. Brexit is no big deal in Europe and when discussing Brexit the EU is more interested in making sure the UK pays its dues then in signing a trade deal with the UK. It comes with no surprise since both Obama and Trump came with the same conclusion that a trade deal with the UK is hardly high priority.

Also note that the UK entered the EU as the sick person of Europe and is leaving it as the 6th strongest economy in the world + The economy is already struggling thanks to Brexit and the country hasn't even left yet.

Utter, complete, bollocks. I wish our economy could struggle as badly as the UK's economy....Record employment numbers, not record unemplyment rates....Competitive FX rate, not one-size-which-suits-Germany FX Rates....Highest FTSE Level in history, not so-and-so investor confidence that we've had in the CAC for a couple of years now....

Go and stand in the corner for such a stupid comment.

And like I said an hour ago - at this point in the exit process, the UK shouldn't even be discussing a Trade Deal with the EU.

But like you said, the UK is leaving with the 5th/6th biggest economy - strange, as it was probably 3rd or 4th when it joined....Membership of the EU really helped there.

 

[devilish]

It doesn't even end here. Every single trade agreement the UK enjoyed under the EU banner will need to be renegotiated. From what I could gather, May & Friends really seem to think they could just take the EU treaties, replace the EU logo with a UK one, and be done with it. I find that to be absurdly delusional.

As said, let the uk leave europe without a trade deal. In years to come the last citizens of the empire will die and the younger generation will have a clearer vision of the uk stance in the world is

 

[Will Absolute]

Good luck convincing India, the US or China to give you unrestricted access to their markets. They tend to be more protectionists then the EU is and the UK is small fry for them. But hey, you can live without the US, India, Russia, Brazil, the EU and China right?

The UK is the world's 5th largest economy; it's not small fry to anybody.

It's not about handouts or doing anybody favours. Nations make trade agreements in their mutual interest. It's easier to come to an agreement with a smaller, unitary nation state like the UK than a larger, much more diverse entity like the EU, full of competing and often contradictory interests.

If there's business to be done and a deal to be struck, it'll get done.

 

[devilish]

Utter, complete, bollocks. I wish our economy could struggle as badly as the UK's economy....Record employment numbers, not record unemplyment rates....Competitive FX rate, not one-size-which-suits-Germany FX Rates....Highest FTSE Level in history, not so-and-so investor confidence that we've had in the CAC for a couple of years now....

Go and stand in the corner for such a stupid comment.

And like I said an hour ago - at this point in the exit process, the UK shouldn't even be discussing a Trade Deal with the EU.

But like you said, the UK is leaving with the 5th/6th biggest economy - strange, as it was probably 3rd or 4th when it joined....Membership of the EU really helped there.

I am not saying its crap. Im saying the economy is showing signs of struggle. I know cause i live here.

As said no one is stopping the uk from leaving now. The eu is not some union who give 1 chance every life time. Any government can trigger article 50 and leave.

Good luck finding alot of countries who will give you unrestricted access to their market. It wont come from the us, russia, china, india and brazil thats for sure

 

[2ndTouch]

But like you said, the UK is leaving with the 5th/6th biggest economy - strange, as it was probably 3rd or 4th when it joined....Membership of the EU really helped there.

If you expected the EU to let you stay ahead of countries like China then you might have hoped for a little bit too much...

 

[devilish]

The UK is the world's 5th largest economy; it's not small fry to anybody.

It's not about handouts or doing anybody favours. Nations make trade agreements in their mutual interest. It's easier to come to an agreement with a smaller, unitary nation state like the UK than a larger, much more diverse entity like the EU, full of competing and often contradictory interests.

If there's business to be done and a deal to be struck, it'll get done.

As said the biggest markets are far more protectionist then the eu. Also the 5th biggest economy in the world is back at the end of the us queue and the eu cant be bothered doing parallel talk with the uk. Could it be the case that you're not as relevant as you think?

Ps its always easier for a big fish to eat small fry. Just check about the swiss trade deal with china

 

[2ndTouch]

It's easier to come to an agreement with a smaller, unitary nation state like the UK than a larger, much more diverse entity like the EU, full of competing and often contradictory interests.

Only as long as the smaller, unitary nation doesn't hope for the same or even more favorable conditions given to the much larger economic bloc it was a part of before.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Utter, complete, bollocks. I wish our economy could struggle as badly as the UK's economy....Record employment numbers, not record unemplyment rates....Competitive FX rate, not one-size-which-suits-Germany FX Rates....Highest FTSE Level in history, not so-and-so investor confidence that we've had in the CAC for a couple of years now....

Go and stand in the corner for such a stupid comment.

And like I said an hour ago - at this point in the exit process, the UK shouldn't even be discussing a Trade Deal with the EU.

But like you said, the UK is leaving with the 5th/6th biggest economy - strange, as it was probably 3rd or 4th when it joined....Membership of the EU really helped there.

I thought you were around my age and remember the late 60s , early 70s when they were devaluing the currency and going cap in hand to the Rome for a bail out.
The signs are beginning to show in the UK that they did indeed shoot themselves in the foot when they were doing so well but it will be a gradual process for the moment, to be continued..

 

[Chorley1974]

What has the G7 or G20 got to do with it. Only 2 members of G7 are EU member states and that will soon be 1. Why are the EU being vindictive if the UK can cope perfectly well on their own and "they need us more than we need them" attitude. So the EU have to let the UK have what they want because" we're British, don't you know, and you do what we damned well tell you".
The only economy that will suffer more than anyone is the UK's not the global economy.

The Uk chose to leave, no-one's stopping you, deal with the consequences and stop complaining.

naive

 

[Paul the Wolf]

naive

I could do a green smiley here for the irony.

 

[Chorley1974]

You vastly overestimate the importance of your country. Not an uncommon fallacy among Tory supporters.



No, the EU rhetoric is about someone who wants to leave the club cannot insist on keeping its benefits while getting rid of the obligations. Painting the rejection of such wishes as "vindicative" is somewhat amusing and pretty telling.

I don't think anyone is doing that. As for vindictive, see juncker, a massive tool

 

[Chorley1974]

I could do a green smiley here for the irony.

green or red would be appropriate

 

[Full bodied red]

I am not saying its crap. Im saying the economy is showing signs of struggle. I know cause i live here.

As said no one is stopping the uk from leaving now. The eu is not some union who give 1 chance every life time. Any government can trigger article 50 and leave.

Good luck finding alot of countries who will give you unrestricted access to their market. It wont come from the us, russia, china, india and brazil thats for sure

As said the biggest markets are far more protectionist then the eu. Also the 5th biggest economy in the world is back at the end of the us queue and the eu cant be bothered doing parallel talk with the uk. Could it be the case that you're not as relevant as you think?

Ps its always easier for a big fish to eat small fry. Just check about the swiss trade deal with china

Hummmm.....Talk about biting the hand that feeds you....

 

[2ndTouch]

I don't think anyone is doing that. As for vindictive, see juncker, a massive tool

Juncker merely hinted towards the fact that what you think no one's in Westminster is doing ain't gonna fly. He just signaled May that her "Bend over and let us cherry pick what we want"-approach won't bear fruit.
The very fact that you're throwing a tantrum over his positioning in the matter, contradicts your own statement of "I don't anyone is doing that". Of course the Brexiteers are. "They need us more than we need them" and all.
But at least there's one thing you can find comfort in: It's always been the EUs fault and it continues to be if the return to the glory days of the Empire shouldn't pan out as envisioned

 

[Full bodied red]

I thought you were around my age and remember the late 60s , early 70s when they were devaluing the currency and going cap in hand to the Rome for a bail out.
The signs are beginning to show in the UK that they did indeed shoot themselves in the foot when they were doing so well but it will be a gradual process for the moment, to be continued..

Yeah....Unfortunately well into my 60s now....

And like yourself, way too many bad memories of the 60s and 70s - Red Robbo, 3 Day Week, Pound in your pocket, squeezed till the pips squeek, etc, etc....And just when we thought the worst was over, along came Thatcher and my mortgage interest rate went from 6% to 18% in 18 months because the Tories were locked into the European Exchange Rate Mechanism....Negative equity, 5 million unemployed, etc, etc...

Jeez...We lived through some horrible, horrible times that most of the younger generation in the UK and Germany and the Nordic countries ( notice I exclude the countries in the Southern Med plus, of course, oour own adopted home ) have never had to experience, and so think that today's economic prosperity is the norm. They have a lot to learn, and a year like we went through in the 70s or the 80s, regularly, would almost certainly knock the idealism out of them.

But the UK sorted itself out eventually and I reckon that despite the huge risks of BREXIT, even if it goes wrong, at least this time the UK's starting from a less severe level of economic madness than in those days....That's why I think BREXIT will eventually succeed - it won't be instantaneous, and I probably won't be around long enough to enjoy it, but I'm confident.

 

[Abizzz]

What do leavers actually want?

They scream and shout about leaving the EU, talked about liberation without a single shot fired after the referendum. They call the EU and it's personnel every name ever heard in a brothel and complain incessantly about a version of the EU they themselves have invented (In their propaganda press).

Yet when they are told what leaving the EU actually consists of they scream "Unfair, punishment, vindictive". Aren't they at all aware of the irony?

 

[devilish]

Hummmm.....Talk about biting the hand that feeds you....

Well i work in a non British company which is is proud of its diverse workforce and which is constantly being frustrated with people leaving because of this xenophobic climate. If the company decides to leave the UK then I will move with it. If I my standard of living goes down then I will relocate myself elsewhere. In matter of fact I already got some good offers which Im considering. Speaking of hands feeding people the only thing the British government had seen out of me is me paying taxes (and quite alot really). Same thing can be said about the organization I work with whom I had been since preopening and who opened in the London because it wanted a presence in the capital city of Europe not in some city outside of it.

 

[Stanley Road]

only thing the British government had seen out of me is me paying taxes (and quite alot really)

Tax shy Britain? I doubt you pay much % wise

 

[devilish]

Tax shy Britain? I doubt you pay much % wise

Lets say I pay more then I would pay in my country (ie much more) and probably more then you do in the UK. I pay my dues and I never hired accountants to help me dodging taxes.

 

[Stanley Road]

Lets say I pay more then I would pay in my country (ie much more) and probably more then you do in the UK

I pay 40 %

In the uk i would pay 20% for the same salary

I pay 52% on bonuses

 

[devilish]

I pay 40 %

In the uk i would pay 20% for the same salary

I pay 52% on bonuses

I am not very good in accounts and I hate having problems with the taxman so I'd rather be safe then sorry. I think I pay around 40% but as said I allow these matters to be sorted by work (and wife)

PS when I needed an operation I got it sorted in Malta. The only relationship I had with the UK government is me giving them money.

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

Either you're incredibly uneducated, or a wum. Probably both.

Edit: Just in case a neutral reader thinks this is too aggressive on my side: The claim that is made in the quoted post is just plain wrong. The sentence following that claim is at least as condescending. The lack of economic knowledge on display here is staggering considering he then feels empowered to explain the complex nature of the European economy.

If you're in doubt:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_trade.

My guess is you don't know what Germany's trade surplus with the rest of the EU is or you missed where I quoted the figure. It is correct and you are wrong, what you do about that next is on you. You can try to suggest I made points I didn't make or you can go the previous route of just flat out insulting me but you won't change the fact that Germany is running a massive trade surplus with the rest of the EU countries.

The effect of EU policy is to move money at over 20 billion Euro's per month from poorer regions in the EU to the richest regions in the EU through those trade surpluses and supporters of the EU don't want to talk about that at all. As you are proving in this thread. There is nothing Robin Hood like about the EU. That is the point I've made and I think substantiated.

If you can't judge the EU by looking at the effect of probably its 3 biggest policies then how can you judge it?

The Euro.

The Single Market.

Common agricultural and fisheries Policy. (CAP)

 

[pocco]

I am not very good in accounts and I hate having problems with the taxman so I'd rather be safe then sorry. I think I pay around 40% but as said I allow these matters to be sorted by work (and wife)

PS when I needed an operation I got it sorted in Malta. The only relationship I had with the UK government is me giving them money.

What do you think your taxes pay for? Not just surgeons but things you obviously take for granted each day. It's quite tiring reading your obvious anti-england/UK shite, especially now knowing that you live here too. No fecking wonder so many wanted to stop immigration & voted out of the EU when there are foreign citizens living and working in the UK that have such a big issue with us.

 

[Kentonio]

What do you think your taxes pay for? Not just surgeons but things you obviously take for granted each day. It's quite tiring reading your obvious anti-england/UK shite, especially now knowing that you live here too. No fecking wonder so many wanted to stop immigration & voted out of the EU when there are foreign citizens living and working in the UK that have such a big issue with us.

Since when was devilish anti-UK? From what I can gather, like many of us he just thinks that Brexit is an act of moronic, pointless self-immolation.

 

[Dobba]

What do you think your taxes pay for? Not just surgeons but things you obviously take for granted each day. It's quite tiring reading your obvious anti-england/UK shite, especially now knowing that you live here too. No fecking wonder so many wanted to stop immigration & voted out of the EU when there are foreign citizens living and working in the UK that have such a big issue with us.

I heard devilish doesn't even sing the national anthem!

 

[pocco]

Since when was devilish anti-UK? From what I can gather, like many of us he just thinks that Brexit is an act of moronic, pointless self-immolation.

I've noticed it through reading his posts on many different topics over the years. He'll seize any opportunity he can to take a pop.

I voted remain and I agree, it was stupid.

 

[pocco]

I heard devilish doesn't even sing the national anthem!

I heard that too.

 

[devilish]

What do you think your taxes pay for? Not just surgeons but things you obviously take for granted each day. It's quite tiring reading your obvious anti-england/UK shite, especially now knowing that you live here too. No fecking wonder so many wanted to stop immigration & voted out of the EU when there are foreign citizens living and working in the UK that have such a big issue with us.

I am not complaining regarding paying taxes. Quite the contrary, I find paying taxes is important for a society to work and I was never stingy on that. All I am saying is that I am not a burden here. I am a relatively healthy person whose a professional and whose married to another professional. We bought our own property, we've got no children and we barely take anything from the UK in terms of benefits etc (I do my checkups in Malta). Quite the contrary we have invested in here and I convinced others to do the same solely because I shared the vision that London is the capital of Europe. I would be better off elsewhere but we preferred building a life here solely to be in London.

If the attitude change (and is changing) then I have no problems moving elsewhere. All I am saying is that for every action there's a consequence. If the UK closes the door to the continent then rest assured that the continent will shut the door to the UK. Which is exactly what's happening now.

 

[JPRouve]

What do you think your taxes pay for? Not just surgeons but things you obviously take for granted each day. It's quite tiring reading your obvious anti-england/UK shite, especially now knowing that you live here too. No fecking wonder so many wanted to stop immigration & voted out of the EU when there are foreign citizens living and working in the UK that have such a big issue with us.

People often forget that someone pays for the light in the street, garbage collection, pavement, etc...

 

[devilish]

I heard devilish doesn't even sing the national anthem!

I barely know the Maltese national anthem let alone the British one. All I know is that its written by some Catholic Priest and the wordings makes you cringe.

 

[Kentonio]

I've noticed it through reading his posts on many different topics over the years. He'll seize any opportunity he can to take a pop.

Which just means he's spent so much time here, he's turned British surely?

 

[devilish]

People often forget that someone pays for the light in the street, garbage collection, pavement, etc...

I used to pay less for a better service in Malta (ie daily collection of garbage, light in the street, GP service etc). The condition of the streets are a nightmare though