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Stanley Road said:
I'm sure it does, for 100% of its inhabitants I'm sure it does
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No it doesn´t, but you won´t find a single country, not even one with such an expensive and regulated social system as Germany´s, on the planet where people don´t fall through the cracks. It is tragic and saddening, mostly because at least in Germany it is avoidable in the vast majority of the cases.

I´m a firm believer that not a single German citizen or person who is allowed to be here, would need to live on the streets, starve or go untreated if sick. The German law guarantuees a certain minimum standart of living, a standart which is compared to many other countries actually pretty damn decent. God knows that the law is complicated and beaurocratic (I have a degree in administrative law so I know my way around forms), but then again there are many people (you find them in pretty much every at least medium sized town) who offer help without charge for the people who don´t understand it. I counciled dozens of people, filled out their forms and accompanied them to the social offices to see their rights being met.

So, yes, there are far worse places to be than a large "stagnating" economy.
 
JPRouve said:
I agree with you that's why I have a hard time blaming the actual voters, I know that no one forces them to vote as they do but politicians exploits the lack of knowledge in certain domains to create fears and gain votes.
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Unlike the idiots who thought Trump would make a good president, I have a lot of sympathy for the Brexit voters (even though the arguments made by at least one of them in this thread are having the opposite affect) because they voted on a really difficult, nuanced issue, where you could see a rationale for either option. It basically never should have gone to a referendum. Certainly not a referendum where the result could be decided by a majority as small as this one. Of course, the way Brexit looks like being implemented is a fecking car crash. But they weren't meant to know that when they voted.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I didn't say all of them. The Jews have been blamed for every financial catastrophe for centuries so don't say it doesn't happen. A lot voted out on immigration with no mind to the financial consequences to the country. An MP was murdered in one region by a nut job and still they voted out.
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So because Jo Cox was assassinated by a neo-Nazi lone-wolf, honest and decent Eurosceptics should have abandoned their democratic right to vote as such?

As a rough figure, what percentage of the 17.4 million Leave electorate do you believe to be anti-Semitic?
 
Sphaero said:
No it doesn´t, but you won´t find a single country, not even one with such an expensive and regulated social system as Germany´s, on the planet where people don´t fall through the cracks. It is tragic and saddening, mostly because at least in Germany it is avoidable in the vast majority of the cases.

I´m a firm believer that not a single German citizen or person who is allowed to be here, would need to live on the streets, starve or go untreated if sick. The German law guarantuees a certain minimum standart of living, a standart which is compared to many other countries actually pretty damn decent. God knows that the law is complicated and beaurocratic (I have a degree in administrative law so I know my way around forms), but then again there are many people (you find them in pretty much every at least medium sized town) who offer help without charge for the people who don´t understand it. I counciled dozens of people, filled out their forms and accompanied them to the social offices to see their rights being met.

So, yes, there are far worse places to be than a large "stagnating" economy.
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You're evidently far too qualified and well-informed to take this troll seriously. You're better off ignoring his snide remarks.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
So because Jo Cox was assassinated by a neo-Nazi terrorist, honest and decent Eurosceptics should have abandoned their democratic right to vote as such
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I'm not wading into this debate about anti-Semitism, but I think that is an important change.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Unlike the idiots who thought Trump would make a good president, I have a lot of sympathy for the Brexit voters (even though the arguments made by at least one of them in this thread are having the opposite affect) because they voted on a really difficult, nuanced issue, where you could see a rationale for either option. It basically never should have gone to a referendum. Certainly not a referendum where the result could be decided by a majority as small as this one. Of course, the way Brexit looks like being implemented is a fecking car crash. But they weren't meant to know that when they voted.
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That's exactly how I see it.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
So because Jo Cox was assassinated by a neo-Nazi lone-wolf, honest and decent Eurosceptics should have abandoned their democratic right to vote as such?

As a rough figure, what percentage of the 17.4 million Leave electorate do you believe to be anti-Semitic?
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I should never have brought the Jews into this. The bit I said about immigration will depend on the area they live and if they feel it is impacting on them or have been told it is impacting on them. As others have said people are fickle and that includes you and me.
 
JPRouve said:
To be fair, it's a loaded topic and insinuating that the Leavers could shift their eyes on Jews isn't a good idea, it just creates dissension.
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If they don't succeed with Brexit, those politicians who championed it aren't going to turn around and say they were wrong. They can only go more extreme in the rhetoric, in those they blame, because that would be the only way they can stay in power
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I should never have brought the Jews into this. The bit I said about immigration will depend on the area they live and if they feel it is impacting on them or have been told it is impacting on them. As others have said people are fickle and that includes you and me.
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I'll help you out DT.

It's not the Jews, it's the Illuminati!
 
Cheesy said:
He's someone who likes to play the fool because he thinks he's intelligent, but who in reality is nowhere near as intelligent as he (and others around him) believe.

He's well-educated, yeah, but I genuinely don't think he's as clever as people make him out to be: picked the wrong horse in the Brexit debate and had no alternative, managed to insult a whole batch of people upon becoming Foreign Secretary, and managed to have his leadership chances damaged by Michael fecking Gove. I refuse to believe anyone who is obscured from doing what they want by Michael Gove is as intelligent as they say they are.
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He's a newspaper columnist, at best, wo has ridden on the back of Nigel Farrage's populist movement. I can't believe May made him foreign secretary.
 
Hans-Walter Peters, head of Berenberg bank and president of Germany’s banking association, said he “regretted” Britain’s decision, but couldn’t stop himself from offering the clear silver lining: “I am convinced that Frankfurt will profit from a British exit from the E.U.,” he said.
 
Untied said:
I'm not wading into this debate about anti-Semitism, but I think that is an important change.
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In today's parlance, is not 'lone-wolf' most commonly perceived as a self-devised terrorist attack carried out by an individual?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Johnson said: “[Britain] can put a 10% tariff on 820,000 cars, Mercs. That’s a lot of money for the exchequer.

Does he understand that it is the British consumer who is paying the 10% not the manufacturer. Does the average Brexiter understand this.
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To be fair it would impact sales, so it would be Merc's problem as well. How many people would buy a Nissan instead? Or, I guess, if the US trade deal happens we'll all be driving Cadillacs.
 
Adebesi said:
To be fair it would impact sales, so it would be Merc's problem as well. How many people would buy a Nissan instead? Or, I guess, if the US trade deal happens we'll all be driving Cadillacs.
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Yes it would impact sales, but in direct response to Boris's "that's a lot of money for the exchequer" which comes from British people
 
Dans said:
He's a newspaper columnist, at best, wo has ridden on the back of Nigel Farrage's populist movement. I can't believe May made him foreign secretary.
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Yeah although he is fairly savvy and manages his image well - from what I've heard all the pauses and 'uh's' and 'ah's' that seem like him stuttering are all rehearsed in advance to propagate his imagine. He's a good actor, if nothing. Farage is similar but very much off the cuff, someone who just says what he wants in the moment.

And at least Boris actually has some governing experience (even if only London) and seems to take his political career seriously. Farage has been stealing a wage as a glorified protester for decades - no wonder he's buddying up to Trump since he'll be out a job soon.
 
Adebesi said:
To be fair it would impact sales, so it would be Merc's problem as well. How many people would buy a Nissan instead? Or, I guess, if the US trade deal happens we'll all be driving Cadillacs.
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It depends on how substitutable German cars are in the consumers' minds, I read somewhere that the car industry was very weird in that domain because people create strong allegiancies with brands.
 
Untied said:
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A key point. The Tories have often been mistrusted on key issues such as the NHS and education, and they've never quite shirked of the tag as a nasty, privileged party many give them, but their stomping ground, so to speak, has almost always been the economy - Thatcher painted herself as a tough, no nonsense figure coming in to fix Labour's irresponsible mess, and Cameron's Tories painted Labour as fiscally irresponsible during the Blair and Brown era, and aimed to appear more sensible through austerity. They've often created this image of a party that's kind of like a teacher or boss you don't like, but whose authority and ability you can respect all the same.

Brexit blows that out the water. As a party they're jumping into the unknown to an extent and taking a massive, irresponsible plunge, the sort of move they'd persecute an opponent for doing.
 
quite interesting how a lot of responses from the EU regarding May's speech seem to be saying we won't let Britain pick at chose which aspects of EU membership they want to keep, when pretty much the main message of Mays speech was she doesnt intend to do that.......
 
JPRouve said:
It depends on how substitutable German cars are in the consumers' minds, I read somewhere that the car industry was very weird in that domain because people create strong allegiancies with brands.
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Yeah maybe. Especially at the premium end, people who can afford Mercs can afford to spend a bit more I imagine. So it wont be as big an effect as it will on Citroens and Renaults. But it will still have some effect. And it might grow if we get into full on protectionism / trade war territory, where people are actively encouraged to "buy British", or as near to it as possible, which in this case would be Nissan. But yeah, Nissan isnt really an equivalent of Merc is it. Tho there are some nice ones on Gran Turismo I notice.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Unlike the idiots who thought Trump would make a good president, I have a lot of sympathy for the Brexit voters (even though the arguments made by at least one of them in this thread are having the opposite affect) because they voted on a really difficult, nuanced issue, where you could see a rationale for either option. It basically never should have gone to a referendum. Certainly not a referendum where the result could be decided by a majority as small as this one. Of course, the way Brexit looks like being implemented is a fecking car crash. But they weren't meant to know that when they voted.
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:lol:
 
Mockney said:
Claxxon
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Honest, decent and real.

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Nytram Shakes said:
quite interesting how a lot of responses from the EU regarding May's speech seem to be saying we won't let Britain pick at chose which aspects of EU membership they want to keep, when pretty much the main message of Mays speech was she doesnt intend to do that.......
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But she is saying she wants special arrangements for this and special deal for that.
She is frightened of losing the City, service sector and investment
It's still the cake and eat it plan
 
Nytram Shakes said:
quite interesting how a lot of responses from the EU regarding May's speech seem to be saying we won't let Britain pick at chose which aspects of EU membership they want to keep, when pretty much the main message of Mays speech was she doesnt intend to do that.......
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......whilst simultaneously saying we want to negotiate
 
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