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I've blagged important meetings better than she's doing here and she's had months.
 
Adisa said:
Some months back, we were hosting a conference on fighting tax-avaidance. Now, we want to become a tax haven.
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Such a blatant sabre-rattle. It's an empty threat too. There's a reason tax havens are usually in the middle of fecking nowhere. No major business will want to relocate to the UK for tax breaks, in the knowledge that the marketplace of 500 million people right beside the UK will do everything in its power to punish them for that decision.
 
So what we learned today is that the final deal will be voted in both houses which has boosted the pound a bit.
As it will throughout Europe.
Other than that, still the cake and eat it, which she can't possibly get but as it's the Uk , the EU are bound to give in to anything the UK demand.

Having contradicted herself over and over, the country is now uniting, good luck with that one
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Such a blatant sabre-rattle. It's an empty threat too. There's a reason tax havens are usually in the middle of fecking nowhere. No major business will want to relocate to the UK for tax breaks, in the knowledge that the marketplace of 500 million people right beside the UK will do everything in its power to punish them for that decision.
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Plus there's basically a (corporate) tax haven right beside them that is in the EU.
 
TLDR: we're still figuring this all out but enjoy some vague but warm and inclusive sounding phrases in the mean time.

I remember Hitchens years ago on American TV retorted that Britain had some pretty stupid leaders too (in response to the idea that Britain had smart leaders in comparison to the States with George Bush Jr at that time). Cameron and May are definitely in that category.
 
I'm not sure no single market access will get through the house to be fair. There seems to be enough tory rebels to defeat it.
 
I thought her tactics were about right until she started with the threats. Presumably intended more for the domestic audience, but a huge mistake, it's what EU members will take away from the speech, and it's a difficult tone to draw back from.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Such a blatant sabre-rattle. It's an empty threat too. There's a reason tax havens are usually in the middle of fecking nowhere. No major business will want to relocate to the UK for tax breaks, in the knowledge that the marketplace of 500 million people right beside the UK will do everything in its power to punish them for that decision.
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Yep, there is a reason why no countries of comparable sizes ever went down that road. This plan would utterly demolish the financial service sector, one of if not the most immportant pillar of British wealth and economical strength. London is an attractive place for banks because it connects large economies and trading blocs. Becoming a tax haven would completely isolate UK economically.
 
No deal is better than a bad deal ? We'll walk out of the talks ? So, is no plan better than a bad plan ? Is it better not even to walk into the talks ? Maintain the current Irish border arrangement ? So, could people fly into Dublín, take the train to Belfast and a ferry to England ?
 
jackofalltrades said:
No deal is better than a bad deal ? We'll walk out of the talks ? So, is no plan better than a bad plan ? Is it better not even to walk into the talks ? Maintain the current Irish border arrangement ? So, could people fly into Dublín, take the train to Belfast and a ferry to England ?
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Kind of like the Seinfeld episode where George ignores all phone calls to avoid breaking up with his girlfriend. May could very well keep kicking the ball down the street until the end of her term.
 
Stanley Road said:
who knows, you want it to work out. Or did you mean you wanted the best for the uk by staying in the sigle market? which wasn't on the table
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If the Uk isn't in the single market and will not have ECJ there is a high chance it will lose the service sector. May still seems to think she can cherry pick, it's not possible.
Thus eventual outcome is loss of the City and services . That is a disaster for the UK, forget the trading agreements, that pales into relative insignificance
 
She's basically saying that you EU folks will be sorrier than the remainers, mark my words, without us, you are nothing.
 
I have no problems with the idea that a population influx puts pressure on services, which is why Labour created the Migration Impact Fund, miserably low though it was. But why did the Tories get rid of it all together instead of increasing it to cope with the deficiencies ?
 
jackofalltrades said:
I have no problems with the idea that a population influx puts pressure on services, which is why Labour created the Migration Impact Fund, miserably low though it was. But why did the Tories get rid of it all together instead of increasing it to cope with the deficiencies ?
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It is bull. The biggest impact on services is austerity and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
 
Adisa said:
He speech was full of ifs, but, hopefully, maybe

It is bull. The biggest impact on services is austerity and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
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I'm not saying it's the biggest or the only impact, only that it is one. If you have 5 doctors for 200 people, then it goes up to 1000 people, there's an impact. The answer is more funding, not less. But also people were able to blame immigration for things they could see happening.
 
jackofalltrades said:
I'm not saying it's the biggest or the only impact, only that it is one. If you have 5 doctors for 200 people, then it goes up to 1000 people, there's an impact. The answer is more funding, not less. But also people were able to blame immigration for things they could see happening.
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Have you picked that number out randomly ? Last time I checked all immigration total to around 9% of the population.
 
Polly Toynbee: This looks like war

Call it clean, call it hard, but May’s red, white and blue Brexit threatens epic self-harm – out of the single market, out of the customs union, no half-in, half-out. Immigration she has put above all else, regardless of livelihoods and despite polls showing that Brexit voters would not want border control to cost them dearly.

Enoch Powell from the grave has finally won – Brexiteer leaders are his direct inheritors. Where other Conservative leaders always saw off their little-Englander, closed-border right flank, she is the first to cave in.

How she has sugared that hard truth in fantasy visions of her “stronger, fairer, more global Britain”, as if this “great global trading nation” with its gigantic trade deficit still ruled the imperial waves. Cake-and-eat-it delusions infused all she said: Irish border? We’ll sort it, God knows how. Get all the trade we want for every key sector – no problem, and no contributions either. They need us more than we need them, she boasts. If they try punishment, here’s her fist – a cut-throat tax haven race to the bottom, “our freedom to set a competitive tax rate”. How disgraceful too to use our intelligence capability as a deeply damaging added threat.

More from the realms of fantasy: time and again she claimed the country was united or coming together, at least, when it has never been more sorely split, emotionally, politically, regionally, generationally. Nor was there any comfort for EU nationals here and thus none for UK nationals over there. Had she meant her words of keeping the partnership with old EU allies, that one small gesture of true friendship would have opened her negotiations in a genuine spirit of amity. Instead, this looks like war.
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I've just finished watching it in full and found it to be a good speech, certainly more forthright than i expected. Called bulls**t on the shame of a 'soft Brexit', and essentially told the EU that we'll respond in kind if they intend to make this more ugly than it needs to be.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
I've just finished watching it in full and found it to be a good speech, certainly more forthright than i expected. Called bulls**t on the shame of a 'soft Brexit', and essentially told the EU that we'll respond in kind if they intend to make this more ugly than it needs to be.
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How we going to do that then?
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
I've just finished watching it in full and found it to be a good speech, certainly more forthright than i expected. Called bulls**t on the shame of a 'soft Brexit', and essentially told the EU that we'll respond in kind if they intend to make this more ugly than it needs to be.
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It was awful; just pandering to the brexiteers. You seriously think that the EU will agree to the cherry picking May expects.
 
How will it affect the EU citizens who are working over here? If the banks go elsewhere and then decide not to take their British workers with them, what then?
 
DomesticTadpole said:
How we going to do that then?
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Exactly. We have very little leverage, apart from the threat to ruin this country by creating a low-tax zero regulation economy to undercut Europe.

What a terrible position to be in. Brexit can work, but only if we compromise heavily and look at it pragmatically rather than this consistent delusion of grandeur from everyone who voted for Brexit that we're a powerful economy that can bully the EU (as a bloc, not Germany or France alone) and get them to agree to our demands of free trade and no free movement.

But Germany won't want to lose their car sales!
 
Adebesi said:
Stop defending them with our soldiers, nukes and spies, basically.
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I wonder if the UK is cut off completely from EU intelligence who'll suffer the most. I bet Islamic fundamentalists have all the reasons to hate Swedish people more then the Brits.

There again this will act as a kick at the butt to EU bureaucrats who oppose the setting of an EU army. Its high time the EU gets organised on that and be militarily independent without any help from outsiders
 
DomesticTadpole said:
How will it affect the EU citizens who are working over here? If the banks go elsewhere and then decide not to take their British workers with them, what then?
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We're a global trading nation. We are outward looking. So yeah, I think in that case we would be OK because we would have loads of opportunities in India and China. No problem.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
How will it affect the EU citizens who are working over here? If the banks go elsewhere and then decide not to take their British workers with them, what then?
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What if the EU decides to take control over immigration from the UK?
 
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