i just can't fathom how people didn't think there would be years of turmoil with a leave vote. have they ever watched the news and seen what businesses do and how markets react when normality is changed? they're sensitive as feck to the tiniest variances. how wouldn't the largest decision made to change the landscape in europe since the euro currency was introduced have such a massive impact? it'll be years before this sorts itself out and no one knows the true cost to the country. those set for life will be fine, they will still have their homes and second homes and pensions and hedge funds, no matter what happens and who knows, maybe the country will do better eventually? the young and those still working to pay off mortgages and raise families will have a torrid few years. this is the first time i've felt i don't want to be a part of this country any more and the first time i've entertained living abroad. which i now cant do easily due to the very people i'm trying to escape.
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i just can't fathom how people didn't think there would be years of turmoil with a leave vote. have they ever watched the news and seen what businesses do and how markets react when normality is changed? they're sensitive as feck to the tiniest variances. how wouldn't the largest decision made to change the landscape in europe since the euro currency was introduced have such a massive impact? it'll be years before this sorts itself out and no one knows the true cost to the country. those set for life will be fine, they will still have their homes and second homes and pensions and hedge funds, no matter what happens and who knows, maybe the country will do better eventually? the young and those still working to pay off mortgages and raise families will have a torrid few years. this is the first time i've felt i don't want to be a part of this country any more and the first time i've entertained living abroad. which i now cant do easily due to the very people i'm trying to escape.
This is slowly hitting me more as the day progresses.
I pride myself on seeing other peoples points of view, but this has been a real blow to the system. By tomorrow I think I will have accepted it, but I think I'll always feel ashamed of this vote
I pride myself on seeing other peoples points of view, but this has been a real blow to the system. By tomorrow I think I will have accepted it, but I think I'll always feel ashamed of this vote
Just had a chat with colleagues in Brussels. For all intents and purposes, brexit will be completed in time for May 2019 EU elections. UK has already indicated that it won't trigger Art 50 till October (buying time to develop negotiating strategy) and so I very less chances of this getting resolved anytime earlier. And if EU plays hardball in renegotiating trade treating with member nations, it'll be a far worse 5-7 years for UK.
Feel utterly deflated today.
I have a large fridge devoted to the love of Belgain beer especially, restocked it on my way back from Arnhem on Tuesday just in case we did Brexit.
Oh, of course. Sorry, I was so wrapped up in economy and could only see benefits for Ireland.
That is true of all votes though. Which party you put in power in an election even if they only stay in power a few years the effect of what they do can be felt for decades or longer. Do the decisions of leaders like FDR and Churchill still have effects in the modern world? LBJ and his support of the Civil Rights movement, is that still felt today?
In reality since this is a permanent decision, or at least unlikely to be reversed it's effects may really go beyond the lifetime of anyone alive today. If that is the case, who really deserves to vote on issues like this?
So where do you draw the line on who gets to vote on what?
Have you met a man named T. Brady in the last 24 hours?
This is why it should have been a decision made in Parliament and not by a referendum.
On a serious note, do we actually think Britain is becoming more racist? I wouldn't say so myself, but then I do wonder sometimes if I live in quite a protected bubble.
The missus will be moving here soon (yes, she's a filthy immigrant... but she's not from the EU, so she's one of those good immigrants... but she is brown... so that definitely puts her on the bad scale... but then she is from the Commonwealth... so...)... starting to feel a bit worried/guilty about the country I'm bringing her too, but then again, she is coming from South Africa, and their president is an actual crook, so who the feck knows.
The missus will be moving here soon (yes, she's a filthy immigrant... but she's not from the EU, so she's one of those good immigrants... but she is brown... so that definitely puts her on the bad scale... but then she is from the Commonwealth... so...)... starting to feel a bit worried/guilty about the country I'm bringing her too, but then again, she is coming from South Africa, and their president is an actual crook, so who the feck knows.
Bollocks.
Most ethnic minorities voted to stay in. A large minority did vote leave though, and they were mostly old from what I gather.
Brexit much like Fox news...
Fallen leaves realise they are no friend of autumn...
But the same logic applies to those in Parliament right? That might pass on while others still living, deal with the effect of their vote.
Now if you just want to argue that as elected officials they are better equipped to study the details and effect of the decision, fine, but if it is about (as the poster I responded to indicate) being around to live with the effects of the decision, then well that applies to everyone.
they definitely have the right to vote and shouldn't have lost it. they should have just voted with a conscience and for the country rather than themselves. 16 year old's should have also had a vote as this is massive for them. this is a once in a generation/lifetime vote, not a general election where they'll get their say in a few years anyway. they're futures are in turmoil now, any plans to work abroad are in tatters. they'll already spend a fair portion of their working lives paying off the debts of others, they've just been spit roasted from both ends by the same people now.
Our CEO has brought up the topic of moving a sizeable number of people to Frankfurt. Too much uncertainty about what it means for our European clients.
Also heard rumours from HSBC folk they will be considering the London HQ question again.
None of it looks good.
Also heard rumours from HSBC folk they will be considering the London HQ question again.
None of it looks good.
Does anyone think that UKIP fade away over the next few years?
I don't believe so. Those in Parliament are elected for the sole purpose of making decisions that will affect not just the present day, but untold years of the future. That's their job.
I felt nauseous this morning when I read the news man, my stomach turned over. Not just for the impact on Ireland but for everyone. This is a turning point in history I fear that won't end well.
Don't think many considered it, it's certainly not something I heard either the Leave or Remain camp discuss which I did mention my concern about much earlier in the Brexit thread https://www.redcafe.net/threads/eu-referendum-uk-residents-vote-today.404633/page-76#post-19297902
Incredibly disappointing outcome, and as others have stated, totally deflating. Potentially even more so as a 25 year old.
I genuinely didn't think it'd happen, but will no doubt sink in over the coming days/weeks.
I genuinely didn't think it'd happen, but will no doubt sink in over the coming days/weeks.
Nope
The desperation from leave to distance itself from Xenophobia is pathetic. I'm just fearful that this has opened a can of warms whereit becomes mainstream.
Why would they remain an electoral force? They're a single issue party without an issue to run on.
no. they're morph into something else. maybe targeting immigrants who are still in the country in a few years.
Why would they if their quality of life was better pre-EU?
They were told repeatedly that it was the EU that was blocking a bail out of the Steal Industry. The truth is that the Government never wanted to bail the steal industry out and was using the EU as an excuse. Added to that their bosses asked them to vote Remain because a vote for Leave would effect their ability to sell their product across the EU. They ignored it. Nissan said that they would rethink investment in the North East if we left the EU and the North East ignored that.
We'll see what the outcome is.
The other thing is that the EU invests in these high unemployment areas to try and help them improve.
There will always be foreigners to hate.
Was it really? How many all out wars have we had in mainland Europe since the EU was formed?
I think when times are hard people look to assign blame, and usually that's against a group they consider 'other'. I'm not sure if Britain is becoming more racist, or when times are good it's not immediately evident that people have a bias. It all seems to come out when people are struggling, and they see other people prospering.
I do genuinely believe us Brits are a decent set of people, but I've never felt so on the fence about us as I do right now.
Yes, but that doesn't mean they'll remain an electoral force. If UKIP morphs into a BNP style party and manages to increase its popularity the UK has far bigger issues than Brexit.
Slippery slope mate. This is as much about the rise of the right as it is about a rejection of the EU. They'll run on anti-immigration.
I don't know but I seem to read a lot of comments about people being told by their elders how life was better back then.
How many of them were grown ups pre-EU?
SMHEveryone, do your duty and go roundhouse an old person today.