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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Stanley Road said:
Will you be deported when its all done and dusted?
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Unlike you, I really love living and working in my country so probably I move there before shit hits fan. I own a flat in London and 2 houses in Malta. Its also relatively easy for me to find a job in both countries too. Its really a matter of me stopping paying taxes in the UK and restart paying taxes in Malta
 
Stanley Road said:
Not really, if i was desperate to stay i could marry my gf, god forbid.

But i know the uk doesn automatically grant that right by marriage so it was a genuine question as i believe the chap is married to a brit
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You're wrong.
 
devilish said:
Unlike you, I really love living and working in my country so probably I move there before shit hits fan. I own a flat in London and 2 houses in Malta. Its also relatively easy for me to find a job in both countries too. Its really a matter of me stopping paying taxes in the UK and restart paying taxes in Malta
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You could also look for work in holland a qualify for the 30% tax ruling
 
devilish said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38546820

Theresa May: UK cannot keep 'bits' of EU membership

Theresa May had said the usual stuff all over again. However she did revealed something very important in what she said. I the word 'cannot' is quite revealing here.

Most voters (remainers and leavers) think that the UK has a big say on things. That's its up to Westminster to seal a good deal and that inability to do so is up to their politicians. However they can't be more wrong. Once article 50 is activated the UK has little say on what's going to happen. It is in no position whatsoever to demand let alone force a deal over a much stronger, richer and more influential market.

In my opinion Brexit was yet another attempt by the English to destroy Europe's unity and return to the divide and conquer strategy that worked so well for the Brits for centuries. Unfortunately for them it didn't work. Just look around. Austria hasn't voted for an Eurosceptic, Italy did voted for the No referendum but Italy is still part of the EU and now even Grillo seem distancing himself from the pesky Brexiters, Le Pen doesn't seem to have a much of chance of winning and Wilders seem quite isolated. Also traditional allies seem to distance themselves from the UK including Malta, Denmark and Ireland. Its too early to say, but the more time passes the more it seem that Brexit was a fail coupe d'etat

If you ask me, I believe that the EU won't give the UK any deal that isn't off the shelf (ie EEA membership for example). The reasons are various but the major one are.

a- There's too much things on their plate (Putin, Trump, various key general elections etc) to give a feck about the spoiled boy who wants candy despite refusing to stay into the candy shop.
b- There isn't enough time
c- The UK had just handled the EU the best excuse to justify any financial crisis in Europe (ie Brexit). Just as the Brexiters loved to blame EU workers for every ills in the UK, the EU will blame the British for every crisis within the EU. The populism card can be played by everybody

The UK will try and get an extension to avoid the much discussed cliff edge. Unfortunately I can't see it succeeding on it for various reasons.

a- the timescale is just too short and most EU leaders have more important things to worry about then to accommodate the UK
b- Any pressure from the outside (businesses, UK friendly MEPs etc) will be silenced by the fact that the EU did offered a deal to the UK and it would be them refusing a deal not the EU

Therefore the UK will most probably end up with the hardest of Brexits ie outside the EU with no trade deal and with a deal that need to be sorted with WTO (who once again include EU countries + nations such as Argentina, India and Russia). That will leave the UK very vulnerable both from inside forces and outside forces. Will Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar remain in the UK if it ends up in recession especially if the former is offered the chance to join the EEA and the latter the chance to join Ireland and Spain respectively?


I am pretty sure that many countries would be ready to conduct trade deals with the UK. However I can't help thinking how vulnerable the UK will be at that point and how easy prey it would be for the likes of China, Trump's US (he's a big fan of protectionism) and the EU itself. Considering how sensitive Trump is and the fact that he might go tough against China and the EU, the UK will need to choose its friends very careful else it risks to sign a trade deal with one country and then find it very hard to sign a decent trade deal with others
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Interesting opinion. You seem to ignore that the EU is economically struggling, and that cutting off it's nose to spite it's face may have serious political implication for those countries in the most deep economic trouble. Every other EU country relies more on exports to the UK than vice versa. I think it's realistic that we can do a trade deal to access the single market, however we have to accept that their will be a penalty in terms of trade tariffs for stopping the free movement of people. The British people have an issue with uncontrolled immigration rightly or wrongly, but to paint a doom laden end of days scenario just continues to echo the whole Remain campaign all over again.
 
Chorley1974 said:
Interesting opinion. You seem to ignore that the EU is economically struggling, and that cutting off it's nose to spite it's face may have serious political implication for those countries in the most deep economic trouble. Every other EU country relies more on exports to the UK than vice versa. I think it's realistic that we can do a trade deal to access the single market, however we have to accept that their will be a penalty in terms of trade tariffs for stopping the free movement of people. The British people have an issue with uncontrolled immigration rightly or wrongly, but to paint a doom laden end of days scenario just continues to echo the whole Remain campaign all over again.
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I have a problem with open borders in this day and age, fortunately the dutch and a couple of others are doing something about it.
 
Stanley Road said:
I have a problem with open borders in this day and age, fortunately the dutch and a couple of others are doing something about it.
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I do, and it's sad in many respects that it has taken recent terrorist activity to drive this agenda.
 
Chorley1974 said:
Interesting opinion. You seem to ignore that the EU is economically struggling, and that cutting off it's nose to spite it's face may have serious political implication for those countries in the most deep economic trouble. Every other EU country relies more on exports to the UK than vice versa. I think it's realistic that we can do a trade deal to access the single market, however we have to accept that their will be a penalty in terms of trade tariffs for stopping the free movement of people. The British people have an issue with uncontrolled immigration rightly or wrongly, but to paint a doom laden end of days scenario just continues to echo the whole Remain campaign all over again.
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Thanks. Id rather have a solid debate then someone going personal. At least it gives me something to think

Your argument is pretty popular with Brexiters. However I feel its a bit flawed in this circumstances

a- The EU is not a single entity but various countries and regions, some of whom do make loads of business with the UK but most do not. All of them are armed with a Veto. Why would, lets say, Romania, vote in favour of a good deal with the UK when they barely do any business with them? After all they barely do any business with the UK at all + freedom of movement is very important to them and the UK threatens it.

b- A substantial chunk of the EU truly believe in the EU project and see Brexit as a threat. These people are most likely to vote according to their ideology rather then what business say. Which leads us to c

c- Brexit gave these people the perfect excuse to justify crisis. Every crisis happening in the next 10 years will be attributed to Brexit. Its not our fault but its because of Brexit

d- The British politicians hasn't really covered themselves in glory. Time and time again Westminster blamed anything under the sun to foreigners (Eastern European workers, Romanian criminals, Brussels being inefficient etc). This tactic will be used more once its evident that the UK wont be allowed to get the deal it wanted which, in turn, will polarise the other side too.

e- There will be plenty of vultures circling around the UK to try and exploit any sign of vulnerability to bring jobs to their own country. If a hard Brexit means the UK losing a chunk of its financial services to lets say Luxembourg then why would Luxembourg vote in favour of a good deal for the UK especially if it barely makes any business with the UK at all.

I am not portraying a doom and gloom scenario. England is prosperous enough to live without a deal with the EU or anybody really. Also islanders are resilient people, I can testify to that...:angel:

However I can see the UK getting greatly weakened out of this. It will lose unrestricted access to the single market and any influence it had on the continent which it (and other allies such as the US) relied heavily upon. I can see the UK shifting from an economic power with a strong political say on the world scene to simply a prosperous country. Will the Brits be happy about that? I don't know. They do seem to like having a say (ex the EU army) so if they are told to shut up because that doesn't concern them might hurt their ego and feelings
 
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Stanley Road said:
More speculation and doom scenario, how do you sleep at night with all this worry?
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Nothing to do with doom or speculation, don't worry about it at all, always be prepared. Did it in 2007, did it in April last year. One step ahead of the game.

For example, don't shoot oneself in the foot and not have a plan to recover.
 
712 said:
Damn it all chaps, how could our cunning plan have been discovered so easily? There can only be treachery afoot.
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Its basically the staple England's foreign policy for the past couple of centuries (Tudors till end of WW1?)
 
endless_wheelies said:
I find it weird they all argued so passionately for our withdrawal but were arguing on nothing more than pure theoretical dreams rather than hard practicalities, like choosing to sell their house on the basis that they could possibly get a better house for a cheaper price somewhere else and will just wing it after already selling.

I just don't understand why anyone would do that.
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The British voted to return their country to the status of a normal nation state. There's nothing revolutionary about it, and no reason to expect it'll be any kind of disaster.

Bear in mind that the EU is the anomaly, a bizarre experiment in shared sovereignty of a kind which has never existed in the past, and which, with the passage of time, displays ever more undeniable signs of terminal dysfunctionality.
 
Will Absolute said:
The British voted to return their country to the status of a normal nation state. There's nothing revolutionary about it, and no reason to expect it'll be any kind of disaster.

Bear in mind that the EU is the anomaly, a bizarre experiment in shared sovereignty of a kind which has never existed in the past, and which, with the passage of time, displays ever more undeniable signs of terminal dysfunctionality.
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Not really, though. We live in an increasingly globalised world in which numerous countries are placed into all sorts of global alliances/groups.

The EU is the most prominent example of one and probably the one with the most relevance/power in regards to the countries within it, however it's not the only one: groups like NATO, the UN, and various other international bodies all hold certain elements of power over countries and restrict/enable them to enact certain policies/certain things that they wish to enact.
 
Will Absolute said:
The British voted to return their country to the status of a normal nation state. There's nothing revolutionary about it, and no reason to expect it'll be any kind of disaster.

Bear in mind that the EU is the anomaly, a bizarre experiment in shared sovereignty of a kind which has never existed in the past, and which, with the passage of time, displays ever more undeniable signs of terminal dysfunctionality.
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and i imagine it has changed since people voted to join 40 years ago
 
Will Absolute said:
The British voted to return their country to the status of a normal nation state. There's nothing revolutionary about it, and no reason to expect it'll be any kind of disaster.

Bear in mind that the EU is the anomaly, a bizarre experiment in shared sovereignty of a kind which has never existed in the past, and which, with the passage of time, displays ever more undeniable signs of terminal dysfunctionality.
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It is a Bizarre experiment that i dont at all get
 
Will Absolute said:
The British voted to return their country to the status of a normal nation state. There's nothing revolutionary about it, and no reason to expect it'll be any kind of disaster.

Bear in mind that the EU is the anomaly, a bizarre experiment in shared sovereignty of a kind which has never existed in the past, and which, with the passage of time, displays ever more undeniable signs of terminal dysfunctionality.
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No reason it'll be any kind of disaster except for the fact that we'll have no longer have any countries to trade freely with, no skilled negotiators to conduct new deals for us, no reason for other countries not to eat us alive in negotiations, no reason for the economy not to shrink uncontrollably.
 
endless_wheelies said:
No reason it'll be any kind of disaster except for the fact that we'll have no longer have any countries to trade freely with, no skilled negotiators to conduct new deals for us, no reason for other countries not to eat us alive in negotiations, no reason for the economy not to shrink uncontrollably.
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do you think uk will become the new Chad?
 
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