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Shocking lack of sovereignty, eh?
They want the UK type of sovreignty ie the one were England drags the rest whether they like it or not
To be honest, I don't think that they want anything. Most of the people I have seen talk about sovereignty don't know what it means and how you evaluate it, they just repeat the words of people like Le Pen or Farage because in theory a lack of sovereignty(or Democracy) is a pretty good argument.
So more Wallonias I guess
So regional parliaments get a veto on the EU's most important decision in years. For those posters who want to see the EU stand on its own two feet without reliance on the US, this micro level veto system for the likes of the poorer part of Belgium is not exactly compatible with great power politics, is it?
Well this is why getting a trade deal with eu is pain in the hole. i quite like the fact wallonnia were able to block a deal until schultz forced them .......err.... i mean talked them round
By the same token it makes claims that the EU is a tyrannical superstate looking to subsume national sovereignty look kinda ridiculous, doesn't it.
Absolutely. The problem is that the EU is a mass of contradictions. On the one hand promoting regionalism, on the other trying to operate a common currency and open borders...
I'm astonished that anybody would be surprised by that. It was always straight forward that it would be the case... It's how the EU works...
One of the EU main aims is to end "great power politics" in Europe. To me it is a great strength that we have to find compromises everyone can agree with, and there's no way around it.
They should give every person a veto
That's great but there is a country just to the East that still plays under the old rules, interpreted the EU's role in Ukraine as precisely a great power play (as per Huntington) and is particularly skilled at divide and rule.
Personally I don't mind the idea of finding agreement among equals but I struggle to see why that should involve agreement/vetos at sub-national level. It is open to abuse and exploitation (see 18th century Poland).
Indeed. There was enough publicity after Canada, even if people didn't know beforehand.
While I agree that it isn't ideal to have to agree on sub-national level there is no way around it if that is part of the respective country's constitution. Concerning Ukraine I don't agree with the assessment that Putin interpreted the EU's role as a power play, but that is besides the point. You're absolutely correct that the process severely limits the EU's ability to confront some challenges on an international stage, but I think that's a price worth paying for democracy.
What decision exactly? The UK is leaving and the EU has nothing to do with that. And lets face it the UK is so deep in the US pocket that they might make her a state for all we know.If the EU really wants to stand on its own two feet then their first move is to reduce the UK's influence in Europe to an irrelevant level.
There's a reason why the US government wanted the UK within the EU so much. It gave it a voice and a veto
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Why are you worried? Wasn't the UK supposed to rule the waves after leaving the shackles of the EU? Surely they aren't banking everything on a deal with the closest and richest continent to them aren't they? If that's the case then maybe they were better off remaining a member of that Union
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That's the thing its not a deal among equals. The UK wants a deal with the EU. The EU, well, not that much
I could not be less worried. I'm happy for the eu to veto everything and anything it asks for. Let them and their stagnant countries rot alone.
And lets the UK live cut off from Europe. I am sure the US will give the UK unrestricted access to their market as Europe did. I bet they can't wait to give a boost to New York's financial rival city in Europe
Any things better than the eu imo
So you're moving out of Europe too? Stanlexit?
No i am staying in the kingdom of holland for now
Well the EU isn't a country, so yes France will decide alone and all the countries will do the same. For all countries the EU is under foreign policy, something that people tend to forgot.
Stanley's thinking seems very prevalent in a lot of Brexiters (well the ones that actually live in the UK that is). They not only want the UK to leave but wish the EU collapses which proves how vindictive the position is.
It basically goes something along the lines of 'let them rot because they disagree with me'. This is evident in May's approach and the atmosphere post Brexit where anyone even perceived to be against this economic suicide known as hard Brexit is deemed an 'enemy of the people' or at least of the 'decent' ones who won Farage the referendum.
It basically goes something along the lines of 'let them rot because they disagree with me'. This is evident in May's approach and the atmosphere post Brexit where anyone even perceived to be against this economic suicide known as hard Brexit is deemed an 'enemy of the people' or at least of the 'decent' ones who won Farage the referendum.
You are quite wrong but consistent in your need to pigeon hole everybody
Ah so europe isnt that bad isnt it? Typical
You'll have to tell us what you actually have been talking about in this thread then because that seems an accurate description to me.
I am quite used to people being defensive when I've hit the mark. It would take a solid argument to convince me otherwise and you do not seem able or willing to do so.
He wants to move to a country whose economy isn't stagnant - I suggested the Gambia but didn't seem keen, Ivory Coast, Cambodia, Kenya, Ethiopia, Myanmar, Rwanda are a few other suggestions where GDP growth was good
I dont remember saying all european countries are bad but fill your boots
I bet Somalia will do too if they keep some form of peace
EU is Europe whether Brexiters accept it or not. All Europe is heavily associated with it in one way or another apart from heaven on earths such as Albania, Macedonia and Russia
again i havent said that. is it an eu thing just to spouts bollox. i merely point out why i think the eu is shit. Dev thinks it a haven of peace, how wrong was he.
So how close is the actual Brexit to happening? Things pretty stagnant or are the negotiations getting anyplace?
Just cos.i like the beer in germany does not mean i like it politics
100 years with vetos
Vetos won't change the length, only the UK not triggering the article 50 will.
well the eu want the uk to show its hand on their people in the uk but the uk arent allowed to ask the eu to do the same till A 50 is triggered
End march. You know that
I'm kidding you but to get a growth in GDP in the current world economic climate, there are other sacrifices to make and the UK GDP is certainly not going to outshine the rest of the world by exiting the EU.
European countries are not fighting each other so he is right.
That there are attacks against European countries is a different thing and that's not something new either, in Europe or elsewhere in the world or in the UK before or after the EU.
Some people will always want to kill other people using whatever reason or excuse they use to justify it.
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I don't know anything and I don't mind if the UK wait and create the best situation for themselves.
My post is in response to your childish digs even when it's your country who is making everyone wait.