It starts.
My previous employer...I dodged a trip to Frankfurt by the looks of it.
It starts.
It starts.
Yeah, true.It does show how shifting the time-frame just a few days can massively change the picture though.
Still struggling to get my head around this, had taken it for granted that the vote would be Remain. Stupid cnuts.
Genuine question though, there seems to be agreement that the political parties are out of touch with what the average man in Little England wants, which has probably been the consensus for decades. Can anyone actually define what the average man wants though? Where is the end game for the Leave campaign, where do they see things going from here?
We should start making a list of pros for Brexit, I'll start
1. Magaluf will now be a lot nicer.
You have to respect the decision of the British electorate - 1.3m is a fair win. The only reason for another referendum is if the EU decide to offer us a deal that doesn't include freedom of movement. You can't just keep asking the question until you get the answer you want. I really doubt there were 1m people who had a reasonable excuse for not being able to vote yesterday, let alone 1m who would have voted remain.
It starts.
Who are you friends with?
There wouldn't have been 1.3m more votes for 'Stay' than for 'Leave' yesterday, even if London wasn't flooded.London was flooded. When the capital is flooded (not rain, actual flooding) and the turnout is way lower than expected then you have a problem. You can't decide such an important decision by a difference of a few percent when the Capital isn't fairly represented.
Carey and Daniels could play them in the Movie.God help us all if he's teamed up with Trump.
If I wasn't depressed already.That's our next PM you're talking about. We're so fecked it's not even funny.
Tell me about it.If I wasn't depressed already.
I guess that the average man in Little England wants a job that pays enough to live modestly and allows him to have modest holidays from time to time.
And no brown people.I guess that the average man in Little England wants a job that pays enough to live modestly and allows him to have modest holidays from time to time.
You can trust the common sense though. And the common sense says that the big financial institutes won't have their headquarters for Europe in a country which isn't part of the biggest market of Europe. It would be like putting North America financial headquarters in Toronto.Not sure how valuable the opinions of experts are though. Financial experts in the US laughed at people saying the housing market was in serious trouble. If you had believed Frederic Mishkin, one of the more known economic experts in the world, you'd think Iceland's economy was a stable one, yet they spectacularly collapsed. (note: he got paid a nice amount for his paper).The nuance in all this is self-interest. Who benefits from what?
90% of the people that voted leave weren't swayed by proper arguments, but by good old fashioned racism.
Someone to blame.
I don't think its any surprise that the parts of the country that voted to Remain are the parts of the country that pass the buck for their ailments onto Westminster. So when the electorate want to give someone a kick in England they blame the people that the government here have historically passed the buck onto: the EU.
London was flooded. When the capital is flooded (not rain, actual flooding) and the turnout is way lower than expected then you have a problem. You can't decide such an important decision by a difference of a few percent when the Capital isn't fairly represented.
Nigel Farage said it was a victory for decent people. This is a victory for hate. It sickens me to think that the people I live with that surround me hate this much.
But the visas will reduce the number of tourists.
Not sure how valuable the opinions of experts are though. Financial experts in the US laughed at people saying the housing market was in serious trouble. If you had believed Frederic Mishkin, one of the more known economic experts in the world, you'd think Iceland's economy was a stable one, yet they spectacularly collapsed. (note: he got paid a nice amount for his paper).The nuance in all this is self-interest. Who benefits from what?
This.
The whole "democracy is great, as long as the result tips the way we want it to" vibe going on in here is strange to say the least.
Altso the ostracizing of elder people who voted leave. So, you are likely to die in the next 15 years? You shouldn't have the democratic right to vote then.
Really? Is that genuinely it? Does the average man in Little England not have access to that?
What I'm trying to get at is that people complain that nobody is listening to them and what they want - is it a case that nobody is listening, or is it a case that what the average person thinks is best for them is either 1) completely I achievable, 2) completely ridiculous, or more likely 3) each person has such a different view of what they want from the next person that satisfying everyone on a macro scale is impossible?
I think 3) is the answer, which in turn leads to everyone feeling pissed off and disenfranchised to a degree that protest votes are almost coming the norm rather than the exception. It's worse than the very now due to every nutter having a voice on scocial media - you're bound to find a natter or 2 that you slightly agree with which in turn will colour your own opinion.
This is just turning into a mental society that we live in.
Who are overwhelmingly non-EU to begin with.And no brown people.
What visas? I would be shocked if visa-free travel was not part of the future. It's not contingent upon the EU you know.
I realise that. I should have nuanced my post more. But those are significantly different situations though. A doctor has little personal gain in screwing you over with shitty advice because you simply won't go to that doctor anymore and neither would others. I guess the difference here is finance because self-interest is a bit greyer there. IKB Bank got royally screwed by Paulson and Goldman Sachs for example.Come on VorZakone. This is rubbish. When you go to a hospital I'm sure you want someone who's a specialist in whatever is wrong with you. When you get mortgage advice I'm sure you want an expert. When you send your kids to school I'm sure you'll want someone knowledgable in the subject teaching them. Just because a few experts made a mistake all those years ago does not even in the slightest bit negate the legitimate relevance of expert opinion.
I don't agree with the assumption it's harder to get a job. It may be that it's harder to get your dream job from the off, and the system has made it so easy for so long to be out of work.To me the problem is about money, people are afraid of ending up without a roof and without food on the table, we are living in an era where getting a job is harder, getting a promotion is harder and that despite the fact that people are more educated. I still hear people shocked that when they were 20 they could easily have a job in banking without a bachelor, now with a bachelor you are a cashier.
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I realise that. I should have nuanced my post more. But those are significantly different situations though. A doctor has little personal gain in screwing you over with shitty advice because you simply won't go to that doctor anymore and neither would others.
15-16million Britons are voted based on racism? Don't be daft. The geographical and socio-economic picture is far more revealing than these reactionary slights on voters. Communities had been left behind for too long, and their concerns ignored, they weren't going to sit idle forever. We've seen it with the rise of UKI;P and the Green,m the election of Corbyn to leader, and now this momentous referendum.
Do you really think that there are 1.3m remain voters that were prevented from voting because of flooding?
He has a point.Predictably, the Chinese have held this up as another example of how western democracy doesn't work:
In classic fashion, the Global Times has swooped in to offer opinion aplenty on the #Brexit, with this editorial from Wang Yiwei, published this morning, lamenting the referendum and Western-style democracy in general.
"Democracy is at its roots the achievement of human political civilization, but today it's become a game to be played," he writes."This is a tragedy."
Wang goes on to say that the vote proves China is going about things the right way, saying: "In terms of productivity, China has won; in terms of resilience, China will win."
Wang, a professor of international relations at Renmin University of China, also criticizes the EU's constant tendency towards ballots and referendums, arguing that they lead to populist hijacking:
Europe has been playing the 'referendum' game, which proves that democracy is hijacked by nationalism and populism, showing more and more negative effects. Under the negative impact of globalization, democracy lacks institutional resilience.
He argues that the referendum will ultimately lead "people [to] lose faith in democracy" and that "democracy's waywardness makes it suspect."
I don't agree with the assumption it's harder to get a job. It may be that it's harder to get your dream job from the off, and the system has made it so easy for so long to be out of work.