Or a solid starting negotiating position.....
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I don't fault that at all. Not everyone can understand the macroeconomic implications. It would essentially boil down to "How will my life change?" and kinda extrapolate a bit from that point before they decide. The biggest mistake was was not voting exit but rather holding the referendum with dumbed up choices.
Opinion polls in Britain both before and after the referendum show that voters prioritized sovereignty over access to the single market. When the direct question is put to the electorate in such polls they favour restoration of full national sovereignty/control of immigration over economic considerations.
The idea that they voted for some kind of 'soft Brexit' doesn't accord with the facts.
We simply don't know what form negotiations will take at this point, but it only serves to strengthen our position if people believe that we are comfortable with what is known as a hard Brexit. What we don't know is to what degree the EU will be flexible on policy, or what bespoke arrangements they are prepared to make for us.
I thin k it is fairly clear, that full FoM will be a red line for the UK. Similarly, things like the CFP and ECJ.
Wow:
1. People are too stupid to understand
2. Can't believe a democratic direct question was asked
Is that genuinely what you are saying? If so, pls don't wonder why people feel/felt alienated.
Why? Are you claiming everyone you know is an economics expert?
1. People have been misled or even lied to by the campaigners....who immediately backtracked on immigration and NHS hours after the vote results.
2. People in towns who have the get the most benefit from EU currently have voted exit. There were numerous articles which did bring to light on common voters not understanding the full implications.
3. Numerous have voted Exit as a protest vote which has nothing to do with Brexit per se.
I work in Financial Sector and closely with both UK and EU and do attend regular calls/seminar from leading economists to understand this better. Not everyone has access to those and those are the ones who voted (not saying this is a fault, just pointing out a reality check).
It's obvious that not everybody can be a expert in everything, so the comment on 'stupid' is just nonsense. It's the way the referendum was organized that galls me more than the results.
Yes, when it's a choice between soft Brexit and hard Brexit. That, though, ignores the fact that nearly half of the population voted Remain. On both a hard Brexit and soft Brexit, there's no guarantee that the population would have voted for said option had they been on the ballot paper, as opposed to just a general exit. The fact that the government are taking a general exit as a mandate to opt for a specific type of exit is worth extended scrutiny, I'd say.
Not to mention that, on the whole, the government have a duty to what they feel is best for the nation. It seems quite clear that there's potential for economic struggle if we leave the single market and this really, really shouldn't be ignored.
How would you make people comfortable over a decision that's probably the worst for Britain? By making that speech, May probably closed more doors for negotiation that may have been open otherwise.
The other side could quite easily the same about the opppsite side, is my point.
I don't force you to be anything. Your identity can only be decided by yourself and I’ll accept how you see yourself. You have a European passport, but that doesn’t mean that you have a European identity. Just like having a British passport doesn’t mean that you have to have a British identity. Identity doesn’t have to be decided by anyone’s place of birth.
I doubt it.
Mental front pages. The Express one in particular carries some pretty bad connotations in my opinion.
Lord Rothermere doesn't pay tax in the UK and his paper is calling 48% of the country unpatriotic?
It's because I love the country I'm so pissed off with Brexit.
You remainers sound more like Trump than you think! 
You remainers sound more like Trump than you think!
How so?
That is shit, this is shit.
People are dumb.
This is the right point of view and the other is clearly stupid cos I say so....
And that sort of rhetoric.
Its too simplistic to say people are dumb but to say people were massively misinformed and misled is valid.
This is the right point of view and the other is clearly stupid cos I say so....
And that's pretty much true of all politicians, not exclusive to Trump so that's a weak connection. Quite ironic to link Remainers to Trump as well when you're on Farage's team.
Rrrright - so do I condone err I dunno, drinking in a pub at lunch like he does as well? Let's not loosely attribute things together for the sake of shock effect please
Rrrright - so do I condone err I dunno, drinking in a pub at lunch like he does as well? Let's not loosely attribute things together for the sake of shock effect please
No different from comparing Remainers to Trump because they call people dumb in fairness.
Eh? It absolutely is!
Anyways let's not make this ugly.
Gutter press.
When people say Brexiters voted out cause of immigration, they go apeshit.
So why is the government making stopping/controlling immigration the be all and end all of Brexit?
So why is the government making stopping/controlling immigration the be all and end all of Brexit?
Just debating mate, not trying to make it ugly by any means. I just don't see how that's different.
Because they have nothing else to offer
Have they done so?
Immigration was a part of the argument yes, but not the sole or overriding purpose of voting to leave. And given the derogatory terms used to describe Brexiteers, usually without any basis whatsoever, a little umbrage is understandable.
Tedious question I know but can you list the 3 or 4 main reasons behind the leave?
I have:
- Immigration.
- The EU not being democratic.
- Retake sovereignty (in general).
- Not obey EU rules, laws.
Is that correct?
Your last two are essentially the same thing.
The idea that the vote wasn't won on immigration is ludicrous though. Farage and Hannan haven't spoken for years as Hannan was disappointed that Farage used the immigration angle to popularise their movement.
You missed out destroy the economy
I see what you mean, I wanted to make a difference between both because some people seem to think that EU rules are going to disappear after Brexit (The power to disobey laws), while others see the sovereignty as the power of actively do what you want (The power of making laws).
Eh?
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Theresa May in today's PMQs said the vote to leave the EU was a vote to control immigration.
I think a small portion also thought that leaving would be better for the economy in the long run.
It was, among other things.