What do you want to see happen?
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What do you want to see happen?
First of all, the country to have some kind of opposition to the madness. It's a long road back but the longer it takes before someone actually calls out Brexit for what it is, the process of repairing the damage, which has not yet reached it's worse , will not start. The current Tories are the worst government in my lifetime but unfortunately the opposition party is run by a cowardly fool who says he's going to make an impossibility work and is too scared to oppose.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64450882
So there we have it. The highly respected Bloomberg analysis now shows that Brexit is costing the UK an estimated £100 million a year and the economy is 4% as a result.
And these are just the headlines.
The above report is full of many other analysis. Like for example the number of new trade deals.... remember Liam Fox telling us that signing new trade deals with the rest of the world was going to be the EASIEST THING POSSIBLE. They would be falling over themselves to sign up with us.
And he was almost right. There has been 71 new trade deals. Wonderful.... Wrong. The vast majority of those are just mirroring existing ones. The only ones of any note are Australia and New Zealand. But many farmers for example believe that these will actually have a negative effect.
So for those who were responsible for Brexit.... Well Done.
So there we have it. The highly respected Bloomberg analysis now shows that Brexit is costing the UK an estimated £100 million a year and the economy is 4% as a result.
And these are just the headlines.
The above report is full of many other analysis. Like for example the number of new trade deals.... remember Liam Fox telling us that signing new trade deals with the rest of the world was going to be the EASIEST THING POSSIBLE. They would be falling over themselves to sign up with us.
And he was almost right. There has been 71 new trade deals. Wonderful.... Wrong. The vast majority of those are just mirroring existing ones. The only ones of any note are Australia and New Zealand. But many farmers for example believe that these will actually have a negative effect.
So for those who were responsible for Brexit.... Well Done.
Billion.
Yes. Billion. Stupid mistake. Thank you.
This is unfortunately all that’s ever going to come out of these people. Its always going to be someone else’s fault. That will be the ‘remoaners’, the EU, or increasingly, as with many ‘revolutions’, it eats itself up and even its original proponents end up being labelled not pure enough.
You can only continue to challenge their nonsense and, regardless of whether or not the NI protocol deal is hashed out, this will continue to rumble on and people will eventually ask more and more questions.
Just like in AA, step 1 is admission of the problem. The UK won't be able to start overcoming the consequences of Brexit if it can't properly discuss them in public and in the mainstream media. And of course, this is just the beginning of the struggle for recovery.
Great post.
Similar to eating disorders stages.
- Pre Contemplation is where the person is not or does not even want to think about it. Same for UK Brexit.
- Contemplation is where they have moved into actually thinking that they have a problem. Something the government and Labour are trying to pretend is not necessary.
It's a weird space now in recovery. It will be ~20 years before EU would considers us back, 20 years for us to be ready/worthy and the same period to recover the damage we can whether we rejoin or not.
Are you kidding?
It took 40 years to get what was thought to be a 'sure fire remain result' referendum from our Government. Cannot see any UK government offering another EU referendum (any referendum for that matter) in the foreseeable future! Also don't forget there was as much a 'sigh of relief' in parts of the EU that the 'awkward Brits' had gone, as there was in the Brexit speaking half of our population.
If we don't make a go of Brexit then EU won't want us back as an 'economic basket' case, why would they, they have learned their lesson on that score?
If we are successful we won't want to go back, especially if the EU is riven by doubts at events unfolding (or might have unfolded) in Eastern Europe and/or mass migration issues have trebled?
We are on our own now and will have to live with the outcomes.
Perhaps you've missed the previous posts by others in this thread discussing how to get back in and people from EU countries saying the EU won't take the UK back that quickly. I'm not sure what you're reacting to and singling out my post. Could be a minimum of 20 years, 30 40 or not in our lifetime due to the reasons I stated.
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I suppose I was reacting to the twenty years, and was not singling out your post, if it seems that way I apologise.
However it still remains that I cannot see that rejoining is happening in any foreseeable time frame because for a start the consensus in the UK is not guaranteed; remember Cameron was so sure he would get a 'yes' to remain and entered into a referendum with no clear margin for winning, or losing. Any new referendum would take years to work out the rules, never mind put it to the vote... and that is just in the UK.
The EU may or may not considered it a good thing to have the UK back in the fold, but I suspect on balance its a 'No', certainly ...once again for the foreseeable future. What is happening in East Europe will also have an impact, whichever way it goes.
Also it seems to be accepted (albeit in retrospect) that most people voting leave were concerned with sovereignty and self determination, where as most people who voted remain were concerned with economics and closer political union. I don't see how things have changed that much, in the UK this 'apple and oranges' thing, or 'talking to the back of peoples heads' has not gone away and is unlikely to do so.
Got to agree with you about the very low likelihood of the UK rejoining the EU. At least in the next few decades.
I can see little appetite on either side for that quite frankly.
We have unfortunately made our bed and will just have to lie in it until there is a groundswell of option to do something about it.
He probably thinks refugees should carry a big sign saying which war they are fleeing from. I doubt he even cares but he can look up "wars" that are ongoing like this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts
Truth be told he doesn't care how or why they are here, he just wants this country to only permit a very small number of white people
The words 'sovereignty and self determination' don't really convey much in isolation. I think you'll find that most people who cite that as the reasons will then follow it up by explaining that they believed the EU were forcing us to take in more migrants, forcing laws on us, stifling our ability to compete in a free market etc...
Now that those things are starting to be proven patently untrue it's only stubbornness and pride that won't see them shift opinion.
Now that those things are starting to be proven patently untrue it's only stubbornness and pride that won't see them shift opinion.
I have only been to the UK once in the last seven years and have no intention of ever returning, even for a visit. But in case I am kidnapped, is "sieg heil" the current form of greeting?
Just as jesus would've wanted.
You can always get one evil moron but the clapping of a large section of the congregation/meeting is more disturbing.
This would fit perfect on a nazi speech and the clapping that follows him, and i suspect is not a small minority (hopefully stays a minority) as hey are saying that into the open without shame. UK is veering to a dangerous path if it keeps progressing. Brexit was a symptom of somthing too ingrained in society
Just as well the bad weather events only affected the supplies to the UK and nowhere else in Europe.
This should be posted regularly to remind the gullible fools.
As if one of those Facebook groups with a St George Flag for a pfp came to life.
"Economic NATO". Right...
She thinks she is a visionary.
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Well, EN is something completely different than an EU.
For starters, many English might think EN stands for England and they would be blissfully and ignorantly happy with that. EU in contrast is bad per se, because it flows seemlessly in EUrope and that alone kind of causes a headache to your average Tory voter.
Its scandalous how the news agencies aren't linking this to Brexit.
I'm all for Brexit bashing, but there's a shortage in Ireland too, though?
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0221/1357956-grocery-ireland/
No doubt because our supply chain is linked to the UK but there certainly is more of a shortage of vegetables right now due to poor weather than usual.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0221/1357956-grocery-ireland/
No doubt because our supply chain is linked to the UK but there certainly is more of a shortage of vegetables right now due to poor weather than usual.
You could link it because of the problems in the UK affecting Ireland . But to use bad weather in Spain and Morocco as the excuse, the argument sort of falls down when elsewhere nobody has that problem.
What do you mean? Isn't Italy currently facing draught conditions? is Ireland not in the EU now? We get all those vegetables from the EU.
Drought. There are no shortages in shops in mainland Europe. The main problem would be the deliveries which will become more of a problem as time goes on. Why would lorries travel to the UK when they can deliver elsewhere. Lorries want produce to deliver both ways without hassle. This was pointed out years ago.
Or Ireland, which is in the EU.
I'm all for Brexit bashing but clearly there are food shortages that are having an adverse effect on countries not first on the foodchain, not just the UK.
Of course at various points in time there are food shortages in various countries. However shops are full of fruit and veg throughout mainland Europe.
Trucks that used to go to the Uk and some onwards overland/Irish Sea to Ireland and back again don't go anymore. It's not worth their while. In an earlier article they used the excuse of bad weather in Spain and Morocco. Whilst there may have been bad weather, the shops here are full of produce from Spain and Morocco.
But the claim was that the UK media are blaming bad weather instead of Brexit.
Well, so are the Irish media, who have generally been really critical of Brexit.
I'm no expert but if there's bad weather causing less vegetables, and we're getting less produce than we normally would here in Ireland then it sounds like the main problem is, wait for it, bad weather.
Why is nowhere else in Europe short of fruit or veg or did the snow / drought only affect the crops bound for Ireland and the UK?
Another reason I heard was that the growers could not afford to heat their greenhouses because they got no subsidies for the cost of energy from the government in the UK.
You mean the two islands that aren't on mainland Europe and are more difficult to send to?
I'm not doubting if the UK was still in the EU then it would be easier to transport this produce. But Ireland is still in the EU and clearly there's a shortage which means countries on the mainland are being prioritised because they're easier and cheaper to transport what's there to than us and the UK are. Clearly bad weather is having an impact, otherwise there would be no shortage here in Ireland, because there hasn't been up until... now.
it's weird you're being so stubborn after I literally posted an article (one of many) from a country inside the EU that has had food shortages because of bad weather
Surprisingly there is bad weather quite often, usually every year. It has affected certain grape crops in France and some wine producers have had problems but there is no shortage of wine.
Exactly, the two islands that weren't difficult to send to before Brexit for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Add the energy problem and the weather. Brexit is not the sole reason but is a major contributory factor.
Of course there's no shortage of wine in the country that makes the wine
Have you even read the article? It says the problem isn't just Europe but also the US. It's not the Government saying it either, it's our supermarkets.