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https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ishvolt-brexit-success-months-before-collapse

Business minister boasted Britishvolt was Brexit success story months before collapse

“The UK is one of the best locations in the world for automotive manufacturing, and we want to ensure the best outcome for the site."

Why? Because you're isolated from the world and have so many trade barriers now!?

I was wondering when you would comment about this. And you didn't disappoint.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...nect-tarnished-uk-european-allies-david-lammy

Unfortunately Mr Lammy , your boss and the rest of your colleagues don't seem to understand what the problems are and why there are problems, and haven't done since before the referendum. After nearly seven years or even during the decades before the referendum, you would have thought there would be a vague understanding.

Your enemies, the Tories, seem to have more of a grip of what the problems are but are determined to make sure the problems get worse.

Lose lose situation.
 
We're touting for business at Phnom Penh airport. 'World class transport infrastructure'...when there's no strikes.

Odd the branding is Great Britain and Northern Ireland, rather than the United Kingdom of.

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We're touting for business at Phnom Penh airport. 'World class transport infrastructure'...when there's no strikes.

Odd the branding is Great Britain and Northern Ireland, rather than the United Kingdom of.

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Emphasis on Great , apart from anything else , NI is part of the EU CU. All these FTA's, where are they and what do they matter to the country you're trying to impress. Seems to be written by a 5 year old.
 
A couple more Brexit bangers...

Brexit: UK construction costs ‘have risen much more steeply than EU’
Cost of labour in Britain up by 30% since referendum, double rise in some EU countries, research finds

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/24/brexit-uk-construction-costs-eu


Eurostar trains forced to run with empty seats due to Brexit passport rules

About 350 out of 900 seats normally left unsold on the first services between London, Paris and Brussels

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-brexit-passport-rules-london-paris-brussels
 
My mum is sulking because they're having to get rid of her Jag XK8 for something like a Fiesta or a Clio, and she's a bit of a snob.

My mum wants a British car made by British people. So I pointed out that neither of those are made in Britain, and that she's also remarked on how much she and especially my dad hate the French (but will gladly go on wine tours to Bordeaux and not say a peep to the French people there about how much they hate them. They've just got back from Scotland which I find strange as there's rarely a day goes by that I don't hear either of them saying how much they hate the Scottish), so it wouldn't make sense to give Ford or Renault their money if they wanted to stick to their 'principles'.

When I pointed out that aside from stuff like Astons and Rolls Royce you're stuck with a Nissan Note or a Corolla she said she didn't want something that was Japanese...

She was gonna order a new XE from Jaguar until they cancelled her order, admittedly they're made in Britain but owned by the famously British TATA Motors.

Then said that she'd be happy with her old Alfa MiTo back...you know the one made in Turin, East Midlands?

This is the same woman that said she couldn't go and buy British strawberries from the farm shop because of the EU and refused to get any from the Netherlands or wherever Asda/Tesco/M&S get them from and flat out refused to come with me when I offered to take her to the local farm shop to see if we could get some strawberries.

Wants to fly the flag for Brexit Britain but when it directly affects her, she bitches and moans.
 
My mum is sulking because they're having to get rid of her Jag XK8 for something like a Fiesta or a Clio, and she's a bit of a snob.

My mum wants a British car made by British people. So I pointed out that neither of those are made in Britain, and that she's also remarked on how much she and especially my dad hate the French (but will gladly go on wine tours to Bordeaux and not say a peep to the French people there about how much they hate them. They've just got back from Scotland which I find strange as there's rarely a day goes by that I don't hear either of them saying how much they hate the Scottish), so it wouldn't make sense to give Ford or Renault their money if they wanted to stick to their 'principles'.

When I pointed out that aside from stuff like Astons and Rolls Royce you're stuck with a Nissan Note or a Corolla she said she didn't want something that was Japanese...

She was gonna order a new XE from Jaguar until they cancelled her order, admittedly they're made in Britain but owned by the famously British TATA Motors.

Then said that she'd be happy with her old Alfa MiTo back...you know the one made in Turin, East Midlands?

This is the same woman that said she couldn't go and buy British strawberries from the farm shop because of the EU and refused to get any from the Netherlands or wherever Asda/Tesco/M&S get them from and flat out refused to come with me when I offered to take her to the local farm shop to see if we could get some strawberries.

Wants to fly the flag for Brexit Britain but when it directly affects her, she bitches and moans.

I would have so much fun poking my parents if that would be my case. Hope you are having lots of fun with the banter. At last one Brexit positive thing
 
I would have so much fun poking my parents if that would be my case. Hope you are having lots of fun with the banter. At last one Brexit positive thing

I usually get a jibe in every day at my mum but I am mindful that if we start arguing it never ends well so it's only light hearted. Don't speak to my dad despite being in the same house.
 
My mum is sulking because they're having to get rid of her Jag XK8 for something like a Fiesta or a Clio, and she's a bit of a snob.

My mum wants a British car made by British people. So I pointed out that neither of those are made in Britain, and that she's also remarked on how much she and especially my dad hate the French (but will gladly go on wine tours to Bordeaux and not say a peep to the French people there about how much they hate them. They've just got back from Scotland which I find strange as there's rarely a day goes by that I don't hear either of them saying how much they hate the Scottish), so it wouldn't make sense to give Ford or Renault their money if they wanted to stick to their 'principles'.

When I pointed out that aside from stuff like Astons and Rolls Royce you're stuck with a Nissan Note or a Corolla she said she didn't want something that was Japanese...

She was gonna order a new XE from Jaguar until they cancelled her order, admittedly they're made in Britain but owned by the famously British TATA Motors.

Then said that she'd be happy with her old Alfa MiTo back...you know the one made in Turin, East Midlands?

This is the same woman that said she couldn't go and buy British strawberries from the farm shop because of the EU and refused to get any from the Netherlands or wherever Asda/Tesco/M&S get them from and flat out refused to come with me when I offered to take her to the local farm shop to see if we could get some strawberries.

Wants to fly the flag for Brexit Britain but when it directly affects her, she bitches and moans.

Don't tell her that BMW own Rolls Royce and a Canadian owns Aston Martin.
 
My mum is sulking because they're having to get rid of her Jag XK8 for something like a Fiesta or a Clio, and she's a bit of a snob.

My mum wants a British car made by British people. So I pointed out that neither of those are made in Britain, and that she's also remarked on how much she and especially my dad hate the French (but will gladly go on wine tours to Bordeaux and not say a peep to the French people there about how much they hate them. They've just got back from Scotland which I find strange as there's rarely a day goes by that I don't hear either of them saying how much they hate the Scottish), so it wouldn't make sense to give Ford or Renault their money if they wanted to stick to their 'principles'.

When I pointed out that aside from stuff like Astons and Rolls Royce you're stuck with a Nissan Note or a Corolla she said she didn't want something that was Japanese...

She was gonna order a new XE from Jaguar until they cancelled her order, admittedly they're made in Britain but owned by the famously British TATA Motors.

Then said that she'd be happy with her old Alfa MiTo back...you know the one made in Turin, East Midlands?

This is the same woman that said she couldn't go and buy British strawberries from the farm shop because of the EU and refused to get any from the Netherlands or wherever Asda/Tesco/M&S get them from and flat out refused to come with me when I offered to take her to the local farm shop to see if we could get some strawberries.

Wants to fly the flag for Brexit Britain but when it directly affects her, she bitches and moans.
No offense but your mum sounds like a cnut. No offense.
 
Even if a car is made in Britain by British people for a British firm chances are the parts won't be British.

This is why nationalism is silly silly
 
My mum is sulking because they're having to get rid of her Jag XK8 for something like a Fiesta or a Clio, and she's a bit of a snob.

My mum wants a British car made by British people. So I pointed out that neither of those are made in Britain, and that she's also remarked on how much she and especially my dad hate the French (but will gladly go on wine tours to Bordeaux and not say a peep to the French people there about how much they hate them. They've just got back from Scotland which I find strange as there's rarely a day goes by that I don't hear either of them saying how much they hate the Scottish), so it wouldn't make sense to give Ford or Renault their money if they wanted to stick to their 'principles'.

When I pointed out that aside from stuff like Astons and Rolls Royce you're stuck with a Nissan Note or a Corolla she said she didn't want something that was Japanese...

She was gonna order a new XE from Jaguar until they cancelled her order, admittedly they're made in Britain but owned by the famously British TATA Motors.

Then said that she'd be happy with her old Alfa MiTo back...you know the one made in Turin, East Midlands?

This is the same woman that said she couldn't go and buy British strawberries from the farm shop because of the EU and refused to get any from the Netherlands or wherever Asda/Tesco/M&S get them from and flat out refused to come with me when I offered to take her to the local farm shop to see if we could get some strawberries.

Wants to fly the flag for Brexit Britain but when it directly affects her, she bitches and moans.

You tell her that we love her and that a french sends her kisses. ;)
 
Wait until she's photographed and fingerprinted when the EU Entry/Exit System comes into operation, hopefully some time this year.

I'm so looking forward to this.

I'll pay you and @JPRouve to be stood there videoing her reaction but in a polite manner to piss her off further.

As @horsechoker says, nationalism is very silly. Doubly so when writing off entire nations of people based off what they hear on the news about politicians in the EU. Neither her or my dad has a leg to stand on with their full on Brexiteerity. Twats the pair of them.

The hating the Scots one is cause of Nicola Sturgeon having the temerity to be a Scottish focused politician but they say they hate the Scots as if the whole country is represented by one view and because it's in opposition to theirs they 'hate'. Yet we had a Scottish lady next door to us for 25 years and she didn't even need to knock to come in cause they thought that highly of her and used to look after me and my sister and our cats whenever my mum and dad were lounging around in a country full of people they hated. People are fecked. All the people they meet in person with evidence that they're lovely in general? Nah, I'll just say I hate them because they don't agree with me.
 
I'll pay you and @JPRouve to be stood there videoing her reaction but in a polite manner to piss her off further.

As @horsechoker says, nationalism is very silly. Doubly so when writing off entire nations of people based off what they hear on the news about politicians in the EU. Neither her or my dad has a leg to stand on with their full on Brexiteerity. Twats the pair of them.

The hating the Scots one is cause of Nicola Sturgeon having the temerity to be a Scottish focused politician but they say they hate the Scots as if the whole country is represented by one view and because it's in opposition to theirs they 'hate'. Yet we had a Scottish lady next door to us for 25 years and she didn't even need to knock to come in cause they thought that highly of her and used to look after me and my sister and our cats whenever my mum and dad were lounging around in a country full of people they hated. People are fecked. All the people they meet in person with evidence that they're lovely in general? Nah, I'll just say I hate them because they don't agree with me.

What have they heard about politicians in the EU? You would think they'd be more upset with the politicians in Westminster.

I would confuse them too much having dual nationality , English and French. they wouldn't know whether to like me or hate me.
My children and grandchildren even more, who are a mix of English, French, Italian and German roots.
 
I'll pay you and @JPRouve to be stood there videoing her reaction but in a polite manner to piss her off further.

As @horsechoker says, nationalism is very silly. Doubly so when writing off entire nations of people based off what they hear on the news about politicians in the EU. Neither her or my dad has a leg to stand on with their full on Brexiteerity. Twats the pair of them.

The hating the Scots one is cause of Nicola Sturgeon having the temerity to be a Scottish focused politician but they say they hate the Scots as if the whole country is represented by one view and because it's in opposition to theirs they 'hate'. Yet we had a Scottish lady next door to us for 25 years and she didn't even need to knock to come in cause they thought that highly of her and used to look after me and my sister and our cats whenever my mum and dad were lounging around in a country full of people they hated. People are fecked. All the people they meet in person with evidence that they're lovely in general? Nah, I'll just say I hate them because they don't agree with me.

The SNP are nationalists and by no means have a totally pro-EU base - they have “Red Wall”” types while pro-Unionist Edinburgh is overwhelmingly Remain. I loathe English nationalism and don’t see any great reason to celebrate Scottish nationalism, even if the current UK model is broken.
 
The SNP are nationalists and by no means have a totally pro-EU base - they have “Red Wall”” types while pro-Unionist Edinburgh is overwhelmingly Remain. I loathe English nationalism and don’t see any great reason to celebrate Scottish nationalism, even if the current UK model is broken.

I'm not saying Nicola Sturgeon is in any way good and people can have legitimate grievences towards her I'm sure but to say you hate Scottish people because you don't agree with her is stupid in the extreme and unfortunately that's what Brexit gave us, either hate for 'Remoaners holding us back' or hate for 'stupid nationalist Brexiteers believing in sunlit uplands'.

People have forgotten how strong a word hate is and how stupid generalising a whole swathe of people because of political differences is. I doubly hate it when they'll gladly bitch and moan about the Scottish, the French, the Germans, etc but they'll gladly go on holiday there and never say boo to a goose about it. And then they pick stupid things to continually reinforce themselves like 'I won't drink French wine anymore' when their favourite wine is French, purely because they perceive the French as the EU enemy.

Both of my parents are the absolute stereotype of arch Brexiteers. I dislike immensely the type of people they've turned into over the past few years and the complete lack of self awareness they display because of it. They're adamant they have their own reasons and nobody told them to vote either way but whenever they've explained it's one Brexiteer trope after another with no original thought. I thought they were better than that, I was mistaken.
 
I'm not saying Nicola Sturgeon is in any way good and people can have legitimate grievences towards her I'm sure but to say you hate Scottish people because you don't agree with her is stupid in the extreme and unfortunately that's what Brexit gave us, either hate for 'Remoaners holding us back' or hate for 'stupid nationalist Brexiteers believing in sunlit uplands'.

People have forgotten how strong a word hate is and how stupid generalising a whole swathe of people because of political differences is. I doubly hate it when they'll gladly bitch and moan about the Scottish, the French, the Germans, etc but they'll gladly go on holiday there and never say boo to a goose about it. And then they pick stupid things to continually reinforce themselves like 'I won't drink French wine anymore' when their favourite wine is French, purely because they perceive the French as the EU enemy.

Both of my parents are the absolute stereotype of arch Brexiteers. I dislike immensely the type of people they've turned into over the past few years and the complete lack of self awareness they display because of it. They're adamant they have their own reasons and nobody told them to vote either way but whenever they've explained it's one Brexiteer trope after another with no original thought. I thought they were better than that, I was mistaken.

I said I loathe (English) nationalism, not people. And, on the basis of logical consistency, I find it hard to celebrate Scottish nationalism, even if I understand their frustration with the current constitutional set up. Nationalism is simplified history based on stuff invented or at least imaginatively recreated in the 19th century after the French revolution introduced this toxin into the political bloodstream. So, while in an English context it’s dressed up in Royalist flummery as we win every battle by ignoring the ones we lost, in Scotland it’s “Alba” and kilts (probably to suck up to Americans in a Mel Gibson Braveheart way) while ignoring lowland Scots speaking a dialect of English purer than modern English and the Norse heritage of the islands and Sutherland and Caithness. Scotland could stand on its own but, in a practical sense, separating England and Scotland (after 300 years) will make the UK’s separation from the EU (after 45 years) look relatively pain free, and, in a broader sense, it’s desperate failure of statecraft if we can’t share this island without dividing it up with borders. The answer - a federal UK (or GB at least) within the EU. Not likely to happen unfortunately.
 
I said I loathe (English) nationalism, not people. And, on the basis of logical consistency, I find it hard to celebrate Scottish nationalism, even if I understand their frustration with the current constitutional set up. Nationalism is simplified history based on stuff invented or at least imaginatively recreated in the 19th century after the French revolution introduced this toxin into the political bloodstream. So, while in an English context it’s dressed up in Royalist flummery as we win every battle by ignoring the ones we lost, in Scotland it’s “Alba” and kilts (probably to suck up to Americans in a Mel Gibson Braveheart way) while ignoring lowland Scots speaking a dialect of English purer than modern English and the Norse heritage of the islands and Sutherland and Caithness. Scotland could stand on its own but, in a practical sense, separating England and Scotland (after 300 years) will make the UK’s separation from the EU (after 45 years) look relatively pain free, and, in a broader sense, it’s desperate failure of statecraft if we can’t share this island without dividing it up with borders. The answer - a federal UK (or GB at least) within the EU. Not likely to happen unfortunately.
:wenger: What now?
 
:wenger: What now?

Scots (a dialect of English) is closer to Middle English in diction than modern standard English. That’s why Burns is hard to understand for a modern English speaker compared with English poets of that era like Wordsworth. I‘m not suggesting many people still speak in that dialect but it’s a part of their heritage which doesn‘t fit conveniently into a modern nationalist dichotomy of Scotland v England..
 
Scots (a dialect of English) is closer to Middle English in diction than modern standard English. That’s why Burns is hard to understand for a modern English speaker compared with English poets of that era like Wordsworth. I‘m not suggesting many people still speak in that dialect but it’s a part of their heritage which doesn‘t fit conveniently into a modern nationalist dichotomy of Scotland v England..
Fair enough. It was the use of the word pure in relation to the languge that was odd as pure English has never existed.
 
Scots (a dialect of English) is closer to Middle English in diction than modern standard English. That’s why Burns is hard to understand for a modern English speaker compared with English poets of that era like Wordsworth. I‘m not suggesting many people still speak in that dialect but it’s a part of their heritage which doesn‘t fit conveniently into a modern nationalist dichotomy of Scotland v England..

No English dialect is purer than any other, whether that is true or not.
 
My mum is sulking because they're having to get rid of her Jag XK8 for something like a Fiesta or a Clio, and she's a bit of a snob.

My mum wants a British car made by British people. So I pointed out that neither of those are made in Britain, and that she's also remarked on how much she and especially my dad hate the French (but will gladly go on wine tours to Bordeaux and not say a peep to the French people there about how much they hate them. They've just got back from Scotland which I find strange as there's rarely a day goes by that I don't hear either of them saying how much they hate the Scottish), so it wouldn't make sense to give Ford or Renault their money if they wanted to stick to their 'principles'.

When I pointed out that aside from stuff like Astons and Rolls Royce you're stuck with a Nissan Note or a Corolla she said she didn't want something that was Japanese...

She was gonna order a new XE from Jaguar until they cancelled her order, admittedly they're made in Britain but owned by the famously British TATA Motors.

Then said that she'd be happy with her old Alfa MiTo back...you know the one made in Turin, East Midlands?

This is the same woman that said she couldn't go and buy British strawberries from the farm shop because of the EU and refused to get any from the Netherlands or wherever Asda/Tesco/M&S get them from and flat out refused to come with me when I offered to take her to the local farm shop to see if we could get some strawberries.

Wants to fly the flag for Brexit Britain but when it directly affects her, she bitches and moans.
Basically the same thing with red state America. They are all for lowering taxes on the rich, slashing social programs, and oppose access to health care. Then they are surprised when they can’t afford hospital bills. Your mom isnt alone. I always viewed it as: the older generation literally grew up in a different world, culture was different, commonalities were different, the wounds inflicted by their parents and life experiences were different. You’re not called to understand them (or her), you’re called to love her.
 
This is what Rishi Sunak said about the anniversary in a statement released overnight.

In the three years since leaving the EU, we’ve made huge strides in harnessing the freedoms unlocked by Brexit to tackle generational challenges. Whether leading Europe’s fastest vaccine rollout, striking trade deals with over 70 countries or taking back control of our borders, we’ve forged a path as an independent nation with confidence.
And in my first 100 days as prime minister, that momentum hasn’t slowed – we’re cutting red tape for businesses, levelling up through our freeports, and designing our own, fairer farming system to protect the British countryside.
This is just the beginning of our plans to deliver on our five priorities, including growing the economy so we can create better paid jobs, and I’m determined to ensure the benefits of Brexit continue to empower communities and businesses right across the country.

You have to be a gibbering idiot to believe this crap.