He deserves a massive amount of blame for the clusterfeck that has been and still is Brexit. The referendum should never have gone ahead with situation in NI as it still is for a start.
I'm with Danny Dyer, Twat!
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He deserves a massive amount of blame for the clusterfeck that has been and still is Brexit. The referendum should never have gone ahead with situation in NI as it still is for a start.
I'm with Danny Dyer, Twat!
Same. I think the most important thing she pointed out afterwards is how many people settled under pressure from Banks including the watchdog who couldn't afford to fight a court case. Our legal system is terribly broken.
Things can only get better...oh,wait
Jacob Rees-Mogg plan to axe EU laws sparks cabinet row
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-mogg-plan-to-axe-eu-laws-sparks-cabinet-row
Jacob Rees-Mogg plan to axe EU laws sparks cabinet row
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-mogg-plan-to-axe-eu-laws-sparks-cabinet-row
I'm not sure it is. Things are only bad because of Covid. All of Europe is equally shit. Remainers sabotaged it. Take your pick of the excuses I hear from older family members who wanted to leave and refuse to see what's going on.
Let's have a dose of moronic British exceptionalism idiocy
4m:00 to 05:30 is hilarious
4m:00 to 05:30 is hilarious
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EU takes new legal action against UK over post-Brexit deal changes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61809459
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61809459
Looking for legal advice here. (not Suella Braverman's gibberish)
Wouldn't the UK leaving the ECHR nullify not only the Northern Ireland Protocol but the Trade and Co-operation Agreement (hence No Deal) and possibly even the GFA?
Wouldn't the UK leaving the ECHR nullify not only the Northern Ireland Protocol but the Trade and Co-operation Agreement (hence No Deal) and possibly even the GFA?
Not necessarily (open to be corrected) for the NI Protocol, but it’s written in to the Good Friday Agreement and the trade deal we have with the EU at present (which by deduction is actually likely to include the NI protocol).
It's definitely in the NIP and the TCA. This could be a hugely important moment and there are these flag waving lunatics cheering them on.
Wearing my tinfoil hat here...but I think it's all part of an attempt to get rid of NI.
I've had this suspicion for some time that there's some internal Whitehall understanding to just let the place slide further and further into inexorable decline until the inevitable solution occurs.
I've had this suspicion for some time that there's some internal Whitehall understanding to just let the place slide further and further into inexorable decline until the inevitable solution occurs.
Whitehall definitely does not care about NI. Johnson doesn't care about the UK or anyone else apart from himself. His followers will gladly lie and cheat to suck up to him. There is an even wider implication than NI, or the EU. The status of the UK on the worldwide stage is at stake if they go through with this.
On the same boat here, I think NI is more a nuisance to London than anything else, and Brexiteers can't care less about them while sensible brittish people could see it even natural that Ireland would be one once again
I guess, but do they really want to be the government that lost Northern Ireland? Scotland might give it another go, then, and now you're the government that broke up the United Kingdom.
I don’t think they actually give a feck to be honest. The Tories can spin it as giving lasting peace to Ireland since a border poll passed and it’s up to the people to decide their future.
Meanwhile England banks more money that lines the pockets of these slugs that would be lost with Brexit etc.
As a foreigner I never noticed that Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales together have like half of the UK surface but barely 15% of the population. Without important natural resources in play, it sounds economically inconvenient to keep the union (although I imagine there are more important reasons than money). Is it?
Nobody in England gives a flying feck about NI. I’ve met English people who didn’t even know it was part of the Uk. Not even kidding. They just assumed Ireland was Ireland.
Nothing shocks me these days, but that's actually shocking.
Still, they might not care about Northern Ireland, or Scotland, but I bet they do care about their feelings about England as a global power. Empire, and all that. It's mad to think about it, within a few decades England might be without Northern Ireland and Scotland, and still be sitting on the outside of the EU. Some loss in prestige, that.
I hope so.
One of the main reasons that England and Scotland joined into union was to strengthen the English Empire.
And we only annexed Ireland out of fear Napoleon would team up with the country and threaten Great Britain with invasion.
Cadwalladr = Battle leader
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Pointless post but it's a cool name
The Tories have been using NI as a pawn only for their own, selfish gain in the EU negotiations from day 1. Total disgrace.
The Good Friday Agreement is in serious danger of being tossed to the side in all off this. Worrying times about where all this is headed.
The Good Friday Agreement is in serious danger of being tossed to the side in all off this. Worrying times about where all this is headed.
Truthfully I'm not sure people really care about other counties let alone countries.
The UK would be better off as several dozen states operating independently under one military & judicial system, rather than one centralised bureaucratic government.
We'd also not have the animosity between groups that we see today. If you want a socialist paradise then Brighton has a 90% tax rate and is leading the world in green energy. If you prefer a classic liberal paradise then Warwickshire has a corporation tax rate of 2.5%, VAT is zero but there's no NHS.
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I’m surprised English people don’t know NI is part of the UK - I suspect that’s a dense minority - but it is telling just how few English people (me included) have been there (as compared with Scotland or Wales). It’s only part of the UK because over 100 years ago they got armed to the gills and managed to persuade an army regiment to mutiny.
It's most certainly a nuisance and don't forget that NI barely featured at all in the Brexit debates in Britain prior to the referendum.
But I will say that Brexiteers definitely do care about any evidence which shows that NI is doing well relative to Britain, or least other regions within it, post-Brexit. Evidence which quite clearly exists as a result of the protocol and retaining access to the single market. So there's a significant motivating factor there for the Brexiteer types to ensure that's not the case.
See Massive Spanner's reply.
NI just isn't seen as an integral part of the UK, in the hearts and minds of people in Britain. And despite the fact that it is technically part of it, it's also in fact a contingent part. So whilst losing Scotland would be seismic, losing NI would be a minor tremor.
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It's most certainly a nuisance and don't forget that NI barely featured at all in the Brexit debates in Britain prior to the referendum.
But I will say that Brexiteers definitely do care about any evidence which shows that NI is doing well relative to Britain, or least other regions within it, post-Brexit. Evidence which quite clearly exists as a result of the protocol and retaining access to the single market. So there's a significant motivating factor there for the Brexiteer types to ensure that's not the case.
See Massive Spanner's reply.
NI just isn't seen as an integral part of the UK, in the hearts and minds of people in Britain. And despite the fact that it is technically part of it, it's also in fact a contingent part.
Whilst losing Scotland would be seismic, losing NI would be a minor tremor.
NI 's comparative success after Brexit is not only irking the Brexiters because Ni's exports to the Ireland/EU have soared when previously they were more heavily reliant on 'exports' to GB. This has also shown Scotland that although currently heavily dependent on England as their customer ,as it were, the EU market could become much more lucrative and bigger market than England. So what seemed a little far-fetched not so long ago may not be so far-fetched now and Whitehall is in serious danger of losing Scotland and are quite worried.
Fair play predicting Napoleon 200 years in advance. Or maybe 400 years in advance? Or there was the one 500 years ago? You've just annexed the country so many times its hard to tell. The whole famine / genocide 20 years after he died feels a bit of a harsh measure to protect yourself from Napoleon though.
Pitt’s abolition of the Irish parliament and creation of the UK was driven by the Napoleonic crisis. I take your point although England is not alone in being brutal in protecting its flank - see Russia and China for current examples.
I was just taking the piss really. I know what he was saying, just thought it was kind of funny.
First part is about Rwanda policy - Chief Moron Truss (not this thread but stupid brainless idiot shows how Sefcovic must be pulling his hair out)
Second part - the NIP - Super Chief Moron Truss re Brexit.
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I thought the interviewer was a bit stuttery at first, but he does a decent job. She's like a robot spouting the same lines over and over, ignoring the morality and impact assessment questions.
Even Tories must realise the 'it's completely legal' defence for Rwanda is a dreadful one.
As a Brit living in Europe I'm still waiting to see one positive from Brexit. As far as I can tell there's absolutely nothing at all, and that applies to Brits in the UK too. Everything is much more expensive, everything is more complicated.
It's there little trickle-down things here that keep reminding me of what we've lost. A friend here who was resident before Brexit (and therefore was able to keep her pre-Brexit residency rights) hadn't exchanged her driving licence for an Italian one before the cut-off date. She had to stay in Scotland for various reasons whilst her husband was over here and therefore had to keep her UK licence.
As of now there's no agreement between Italy and the UK for licence exchange (same applies in Spain I understand) and she won't be able to drive after the end of the year. She's older, she won't be able to pass a theory test in Italian and in any case the process is complicated and slow here, with mandatory practical lessons. Even if she managed to do it, she'd be classed as a brand-new driver and wouldn't be able to drive the car they own, as new drivers have to drive low-power vehicles here for a period of time.
Swapping your licence for the price of €100 was a residency right she had before Brexit, so that should continue, in my opinion. These things are of no concern to Brits in the UK but are ruining the lives of Brits living in Europe.
It's there little trickle-down things here that keep reminding me of what we've lost. A friend here who was resident before Brexit (and therefore was able to keep her pre-Brexit residency rights) hadn't exchanged her driving licence for an Italian one before the cut-off date. She had to stay in Scotland for various reasons whilst her husband was over here and therefore had to keep her UK licence.
As of now there's no agreement between Italy and the UK for licence exchange (same applies in Spain I understand) and she won't be able to drive after the end of the year. She's older, she won't be able to pass a theory test in Italian and in any case the process is complicated and slow here, with mandatory practical lessons. Even if she managed to do it, she'd be classed as a brand-new driver and wouldn't be able to drive the car they own, as new drivers have to drive low-power vehicles here for a period of time.
Swapping your licence for the price of €100 was a residency right she had before Brexit, so that should continue, in my opinion. These things are of no concern to Brits in the UK but are ruining the lives of Brits living in Europe.
He did a decent job compared to most interviewers but just as she was caught like a rabbit in the headlights he eased off.
She is a robot, she's been told what to say and sticks to the script. Watching her facial expressions when she is completely perplexed and just says the same lines over again and then see her face light up when the subject moved to solar panels where she thought she was on safe ground (which is of course is another untruth)
I thought one of the classic bits was which will probably pass by most people: "This is about helping Rwanda develop their economy" and says it with the completely robotic face.
Having interviews like this should help expose the lies, corruption and idiocy in the government but millions of people will no doubt watch it on the news , but how many of them will pause and think about what's just been said and not realise that they've been lied to from start to finish for fifteen minutes.
Yep, we're doing them a favour and she said that twice too.
It's tricky interviewing someone parroting lines like that. You either move on because it's so boring, which can be seen as taking it easy on them, or you end up in that famous Paxman situation asking the same question 15 times and considered a bully.
Let's face it, we know people are clinging to the flimsiest reasons to back the policy so they can try and not look like massive bigots.
have to say it was fairly straight forward to smuggle plenty of food back from the uk this week, these included dairy and meat products.
She is the first person to fail the Turing test.
On the UK's current path they will not be getting FTA's with anybody, which would in any case , at best, be only a minor recompense to the process they've already started to severely damage the economy.
Then they will not only damage their domestic farming industry but also wipe out the remaining export industry of agricultural products.
No benefits whatever happens.
This from the Tea Sock...
Brexit: Plans to ditch parts of NI Protocol are economic vandalism - Irish PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-61856581
Brexit: Plans to ditch parts of NI Protocol are economic vandalism - Irish PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-61856581
Liz Truss gave it away in her interview: "Diversion of trade towards North-South instead of East-West" or in other words trade is going too well between Northern Ireland and the EU whereas all the barriers put up by Brexit makes the rest of the UK look really dumb and we can't have that.
The recent minister for farming (I can’t remember her name or be bothered to look it up), was recently unable to name a single benefit of Brexit for farmers when asked right? No surprise there.