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Northern Ireland protocol bill expected to be published on Monday
Aubrey Allegretti
The long-awaited plan to “fix” problems with the post-Brexit protocol that sees Northern Ireland treated differently to Great Britain were hoped to be published today, but have been pushed into next week.
The frenzied focus of government ministers on saving Boris Johnson’s premiership means the controversial legislation to unilaterally override the protocol is likely to be published on Monday.
There will also be a summary of the legal position released, which the government says confidently will show it is not breaking international law. However, the full legal advice will not be disclosed.
It is understood that foreign secretary Liz Truss has no upcoming meeting or talks with senior EU figures, so the UK will pursue the plans and leave it up to Brussels to change its negotiating stance.
Given the tumult of the Brexit days, Tory MPs said they faced a “nerve-wrecking wait” for the publication of the bill. When it starts its progression through parliament it is expected to trigger a significant number of rebellions because many MPs believe it could break the deal signed by the UK and EU.
Today the senior Conservative backbencher Sir Bernard Jenkin said he voted for the withdrawal agreement “against my better judgment” and added that if the bill did not seriously improve the chances of restoring the executive in Stormont, “I will vote against it”.
Trade war in 5,4,3,2....
Dead cat time
Aubrey Allegretti
The long-awaited plan to “fix” problems with the post-Brexit protocol that sees Northern Ireland treated differently to Great Britain were hoped to be published today, but have been pushed into next week.
The frenzied focus of government ministers on saving Boris Johnson’s premiership means the controversial legislation to unilaterally override the protocol is likely to be published on Monday.
There will also be a summary of the legal position released, which the government says confidently will show it is not breaking international law. However, the full legal advice will not be disclosed.
It is understood that foreign secretary Liz Truss has no upcoming meeting or talks with senior EU figures, so the UK will pursue the plans and leave it up to Brussels to change its negotiating stance.
Given the tumult of the Brexit days, Tory MPs said they faced a “nerve-wrecking wait” for the publication of the bill. When it starts its progression through parliament it is expected to trigger a significant number of rebellions because many MPs believe it could break the deal signed by the UK and EU.
Today the senior Conservative backbencher Sir Bernard Jenkin said he voted for the withdrawal agreement “against my better judgment” and added that if the bill did not seriously improve the chances of restoring the executive in Stormont, “I will vote against it”.
Trade war in 5,4,3,2....
Dead cat time
Eventually the Brexiters must finally see through the crap and bs from Johnson - surely, you know you've been conned.
"We can’t fix the increase in the cost of living just by increasing wages to match the surge in prices, I think it’s naturally a good thing for wages to go up as skills and productivity increase - that’s what we want to see.
But when a country faces an inflationary problem you can’t just pay more and spend more, you have to find ways of tackling the underlying causes of inflation.
If wages continue to chase the increase in prices then we risk a wage-price spiral such as this country experienced in the 1970s."
So no high wages post Brexit either.
- He suggested he would like to cut tariffs on food imports. He said:
- Johnson refused to rule out further cuts in fuel duty. He said the government wanted companies to pass on the cut already announced to consumers. But when it was put to him that fuel duty was already too high, he replied: “I hear you.” He also said the government would continue to do everything in its power to look after the British people.
"We can’t fix the increase in the cost of living just by increasing wages to match the surge in prices, I think it’s naturally a good thing for wages to go up as skills and productivity increase - that’s what we want to see.
But when a country faces an inflationary problem you can’t just pay more and spend more, you have to find ways of tackling the underlying causes of inflation.
If wages continue to chase the increase in prices then we risk a wage-price spiral such as this country experienced in the 1970s."
So no high wages post Brexit either.
The high wages thing is hilarious.
They spent the back end of last year talking about a high wage economy, with salaries rising quicker than ever and boasting that this is thanks to them and thanks to Brexit.
They’re now imploring people to stop asking for salary increases as it’s driving inflation.
Honestly if it wasn’t so desperately pathetic and desperately infuriating it would be hilarious.
He's starting to thrash about, he's in panic mode, they should have got rid of him, he's liable to do anything to save his skin.
The government could lose this vote. After this week’s disastrous performance in the vote of confidence, Tory MPs will be thinking about life after Johnson and some of them at least will be less willing to put their name to approving a breach of an international treaty. As for the legal advice received, given Blair and Campbell managed to bully a highly-respected lawyer like Goldsmith over the legality of invading Iraq, I’m sure someone like Braverman will sign up to anything.
Yes. Very much so. Wounded and dangerous.
Boris to move to a 'high line' in Brexit rethink, after hearing of Liverpools successfull red wall defence
Trade war in the middle of a cost of living crisis. Johnson is a genius.
He is, isn't he. He will be able to sell the idea that the increase in cost of living is solely due to the EU which is why they had to leave it.
Has anyone figured out yet what he actually intends to achieve as PM? Or even just for in relation to Brexit?
It was mentioned in my Dutch newspaper that he doesn't seem to have a particular ambition in this role, and they quoted Cunningham (awful as he is) as saying that Johnson didn't really have any plans beyond becoming PM once he got elected. Not ideal in a time when so much is in flux and a proper leader could take the opportunity to really set a country on a new course - although I suppose you could also say that the UK is lucky that some rabid Tory isn't taking those reigns to implement their own ideas right now. That'd be worse than this randomness.
Johnson just wants to be PM, end of story and he'll do anything to stay there. I doubt he has any real beliefs, about Brexit or whatever. He has surrounded himself with incompetent sycophants who will follow him whatever. There is a danger that one of these fools would become PM which could be even worse. Dangerous times for the UK. If only the public would wake up.
Well done Boris for your carbon copy of Margaret Thatcher Right to Buy.
I am sure it will go down well with your 211 faithful disciples.
Just one minor point.
Selling off so called affordable housing stock without replacing those houses is only going to end up making this type of housing more and more scarce.
Despite government claims, just over ten thousand new affordable houses were built in the last six months of 2021 - UKGOV data.
I am sure it will go down well with your 211 faithful disciples.
Just one minor point.
Selling off so called affordable housing stock without replacing those houses is only going to end up making this type of housing more and more scarce.
Despite government claims, just over ten thousand new affordable houses were built in the last six months of 2021 - UKGOV data.
He is displaying all the classic characteristics of fuzzy thinking. Behaving like a meat fly.
Creating chaos because he has no clear understanding of the problems, lerching from problem to problem and no strategic planning.
And then spending all his time trying to manage that chaos....by creating further chaos.
He is completely out of his depth. And his inept Cabinet can do nothing more than go along for the ride with their chaotic leader.
He loves the chaos. He creates the chaos deliberately and convinces his followers that he's the one to solve it and fools the public by telling them how wonderful everything is and Britain is the best at everything. And round it goes until someone stops the carousel. They had a chance. Will they get another?
Yes they did have a chance and we should not underestimate the scale of the rebellion.
And the more Boris displays his fundamental weaknesses the more they will go for him again.
However, getting rid of Boris is one thing.
Replacing him with someone more competent is a much bigger problem.
While I would love to see him ousted and knowing the potential candidates, there is a case for - better the devil you know....
Far from ideal situation.
The B in USB stands for BRITISH
Uropean Serial Bus
Honestly it means absolutely nothing. It’s just hot air.
No tech company is going to make any devices solely for the British market that use a different interface to the European market.
I'm looking forward to my Brexit phone
Like any Tory PM, Johnson wants the big fancy badge that says "I was Prime Minister". It's a luxury that people of his ilk can afford because, thanks to not ever having to worry about money, prestige is the currency he needs.
It also helps that he can fill his friend's pockets with bumper government contracts or legislative actions that feck over 99% of the population. And once he steps down he'll be paid back by his mates with a cushty position of a company's board where he'll rack up loads more cash.
And then the cycle continues over and over again until the constant shitting on the country from a great height hits the point where it all needs cleaned up. Unfortunately for Boris, when it was his turn to take a Jenga block after Blair, Cameron, Lansley, Hunt, Osbourne, Fox, Shapps, Gove, Sunak and May swiped theirs the whole pile was already starting to fall down before he kicked the table with his oafish shins.
The feckers don't understand this. We are not a big enough market to set standards.
China isn't big enough to have their own usb ports.
The people that wrote the article will understand this, as will those who decided on the law. You’re right that there is plenty that will read it and see it as a win though.
If there was any critical thought or objective journalism though, they’d point out that the EU has now set a law which will directly impact us and we had no say in the matter. Previously we sat at the table these laws were made and had a veto.
Why would anyone veto that law though? It's a pretty good thing for consumers.
Is that going to matter? Will they really make different phones for the Brits?
Me too. And my slow charging speeds with expensive and inferior charging cables.
Of course it is. I’m just talking within the context of the article that suggest we have opted out… for… reasons? As if that’s a Brexit bonus.
Wait until Brexiteers realise we could have opted out and made the rest of the EU opt out too before we gave that up.
That's a great description. I'd laugh if it wasn't so true...
The Observer view on Britain’s dire economic outlook
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...outlook?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...outlook?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Sadly during the referendum campaign when Blair and Major warned people about the inevitably negative impact of a leave win on Northern Ireland, the Good Friday Agreement and peace process, the border etc during the referendum, many people didn't pay any notice to their messages and instead just attacked the messengers.
A year earlier during the 2015 general election campaign, Blair (who I'm certainly no fan of ever since the invasion of Iraq) also warned people about the chaos that would result in the Tories won and held the referendum that they were promising, and how the subject of the UK's EU membership would totally consume British politics for years to come. Once again he was right on the money there.
A year earlier during the 2015 general election campaign, Blair (who I'm certainly no fan of ever since the invasion of Iraq) also warned people about the chaos that would result in the Tories won and held the referendum that they were promising, and how the subject of the UK's EU membership would totally consume British politics for years to come. Once again he was right on the money there.
People listened but didn't care, they actually made several claims on that topic such as the UK being sovereign and therefore able to do what they want with their border and they also accused the EU of threatening the UK with the irish border issue in order to damage Brexit.
Is there anyone in the 'caf left who supports Brexit? I stopped visiting this thread a few months back because, finally, the view that it was stupid seemed unanimous.
I assume nothing has changed.
I assume nothing has changed.
Brexit means Brexit, as long as you don't expect the UK to comply with the NI Protocol and expect the EU to be as flexible as we want them to be.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/12/is-brexit-working-four-key-tests
Is Brexit working? Four key tests
The UK’s economic performance and record on trade, migration and justice since leaving the EU will determine whether Brexit is a success
This article depresses me. It's fairly neutral and it's written by a professor of economics.
The only impression it leaves, which is an ongoing feeling, is that so many people in the UK have little idea what has been voted for and the consequences thereof. I presume as it's less than eighteen months since the UK left properly the realisation will eventually dawn on them over time.
Is Brexit working? Four key tests
The UK’s economic performance and record on trade, migration and justice since leaving the EU will determine whether Brexit is a success
This article depresses me. It's fairly neutral and it's written by a professor of economics.
The only impression it leaves, which is an ongoing feeling, is that so many people in the UK have little idea what has been voted for and the consequences thereof. I presume as it's less than eighteen months since the UK left properly the realisation will eventually dawn on them over time.