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Imagine being that clueless. :rolleyes:

The journalist is this bloke's brother:

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Imagine being that clueless. :rolleyes:

The article is amazing, the issues that Ireland apparently have are Brexit which was an unilateral decision from the UK, the G7 agreeing on a tax rate which instead the EU and includes the UK and finally a german opinion of foreign policy which presumably indicates that Germany doesn't have a right to have an opinion.
Also there is this gem, it's as if actions from tories shouldn't have consequences:

The intransigence displayed by Brussels and Dublin on the issue helped destroy the political careers of two Conservative Prime Ministers, contributed to the comprehensive rout of pro-EU sentiment inside the Tory party and poisoned relations between Britain and Ireland.
 
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The article is amazing, the issues that Ireland apparently have are Brexit which was an unilateral decision from the UK, the G7 agreeing on a tax rate which instead the EU and includes the UK and finally a german opinion of foreign policy which presumably indicates that Germany doesn't have a right to have an opinion.
Also there is this gem, it's as if actions from tories shouldn't have consequences:

:lol: That last bit is incredible.
 
:lol: That last bit is incredible.

Initially I thought that british people were exaggerating when they described the Telegraph as Torygraph but the more I read it and the more ridiculous it is. To me they seem more dangerous than the Sun or Daily Mail because they have the appearance of a respectable paper, their writers seem wise and know how to write serious articles, the issue being that it's pretty much a branch of conservatives.com and they will distort reality in favor of Tories 100% of the time.
 
Initially I thought that british people were exaggerating when they described the Telegraph as Torygraph but the more I read it and the more ridiculous it is. To me they seem more dangerous than the Sun or Daily Mail because they have the appearance of a respectable paper, their writers seem wise and know how to write serious articles, the issue being that it's pretty much a branch of conservatives.com and they will distort reality in favor of Tories 100% of the time.

Yeah, I always had them down as “conservative but sensible”. They seem to have got way more extreme over the last 10 years or so. I guess that’s the nature of the shift to online media? The quest for clicks drives more and more polarised views.
 
Initially I thought that british people were exaggerating when they described the Telegraph as Torygraph but the more I read it and the more ridiculous it is. To me they seem more dangerous than the Sun or Daily Mail because they have the appearance of a respectable paper, their writers seem wise and know how to write serious articles, the issue being that it's pretty much a branch of conservatives.com and they will distort reality in favor of Tories 100% of the time.

Hardly anyone reads it. It's far less influencial than The Sun or the Mail on national politics. For none political stuff it's a good paper.
 
Initially I thought that british people were exaggerating when they described the Telegraph as Torygraph but the more I read it and the more ridiculous it is. To me they seem more dangerous than the Sun or Daily Mail because they have the appearance of a respectable paper, their writers seem wise and know how to write serious articles, the issue being that it's pretty much a branch of conservatives.com and they will distort reality in favor of Tories 100% of the time.
The Telegraph’s main demographic is white middle class old men and it basically tells them what they want to hear. It’s not influencing anyone’s opinions on anything.
 
Hardly anyone reads it. It's far less influencial than The Sun or the Mail on national politics. For none political stuff it's a good paper.

Sun and Daily Mail are tabloids while the Telegraph isn't right? Do you think that people take The Sun and Mail as seriously as they do for other papers?
 
The Telegraph’s main demographic is white middle class old men and it basically tells them what they want to hear. It’s not influencing anyone’s opinions on anything.

Outside of white middle class old men who are a large demographic, also isn't demonstrated that people tend to vote like their parents?
 
Initially I thought that british people were exaggerating when they described the Telegraph as Torygraph but the more I read it and the more ridiculous it is. To me they seem more dangerous than the Sun or Daily Mail because they have the appearance of a respectable paper, their writers seem wise and know how to write serious articles, the issue being that it's pretty much a branch of conservatives.com and they will distort reality in favor of Tories 100% of the time.
It's not always been like this though. Pre ~2013 it was a decent (if conservative) newspaper with an occasional good take on some things.

Post brexit it's somewhere between Fox News and One America .
 
Sun and Daily Mail are tabloids while the Telegraph isn't right? Do you think that people take The Sun and Mail as seriously as they do for other papers?

The Sun and The Mail have real political reach and their readership do believe what they read in it regarding politics to a worrying degree. New Labour had Murdoch and the Sun onside which was one of the reasons that they were able to get into power. In that era The Sun backed Labour.

The broadsheets are not influential at all really. Your average Joe doesn't read them. The Telegraph is behind a paywall and is still an old school physical broadsheet i.e. it fecking massive. It preaches to a parochial choir. The Times, which is Murdoch's broadsheet, backed remain in the 2016 whilst The Sun backed Brexit. I can only imagine that The Times had editorial freedom on the question from Murdoch because it had no real influence in the vote, like The Telegraph the readership is small.
 
The Sun and The Mail have real political reach and their readership do believe what they read in it regarding politics to a worrying degree. New Labour had Murdoch and the Sun onside which was one of the reasons that they were able to get into power. In that era The Sun backed Labour.

The broadsheets are not influential at all really. Your average Joe doesn't read them. The Telegraph is behind a paywall and is still an old school physical broadsheet i.e. it fecking massive. It preaches to a parochial choir. The Times, which is Murdoch's broadsheet, backed remain in the 2016 whilst The Sun backed Brexit. I can only imagine that The Times had editorial freedom on the question from Murdoch because it had no real influence in the vote, like The Telegraph the readership is small.

Thanks for the information.
 
Talking of outwardly respectable appearances.

We move forward in time to 1st January 2071, fifty years to the day the UK left the transition period.
At a great ceremony Jacob Rees-Mogg , now 101, unveils the Brexit prize the UK has been waiting for.

A tin of Happy British Mackerel for everybody. The few remaining Brexit voters cheer, 'See, he didn't let us down and a whole year's ration to boot.'
 
Hardly anyone reads it. It's far less influencial than The Sun or the Mail on national politics. For none political stuff it's a good paper.

More people read The Telegraph than The Times. Though I think the latter has a higher level of digital engagement. Both papers are entrenched Tories.
 
More people read The Telegraph than The Times. Though I think the latter has a higher level of digital engagement. Both papers are entrenched Tories.

I read The Times every day… :D

only because I get a subscription with my AMEX card.

Read mostly for the sport, but it’s set up pretty well that you can dive in and out.

Im surprised to hear more people read the telegraph that the times.
 
I read The Times every day… :D

only because I get a subscription with my AMEX card.

Read mostly for the sport, but it’s set up pretty well that you can dive in and out.

Im surprised to hear more people read the telegraph that the times.
About 30% more in print circulation (I wonder if this includes the "free" copies you get forced on you in WH "just whack on 50% to the price" Smith's) but online readership is a huge factor now.

Interestingly, this brings the Guardian (which is about a third of the Time's circulation in print) heavily into play and above the Daily Mail, although I assume these are international figures.

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/biggest-news-websites-april-2020/
 
About 30% more in print circulation (I wonder if this includes the "free" copies you get forced on you in WH "just whack on 50% to the price" Smith's) but online readership is a huge factor now.

Interestingly, this brings the Guardian (which is about a third of the Time's circulation in print) heavily into play and above the Daily Mail, although I assume these are international figures.

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/biggest-news-websites-april-2020/
As newspapers go I prefer the Financial Times, even though I'm not rich or right-wing. So long as you take the editorials with a pinch of salt (lots) they try to be factual with the news.

They're quite pro-Europe of course, Wolfie would wank himself to death if he was a regular reader.
 


I can 100% appreciate and accept anyone in the North who feels British. At this stage the most important thing is peace. However anyone in the North who believes that the average British person cares about them as much as the average Irish person does is frankly delusional.
 
As newspapers go I prefer the Financial Times, even though I'm not rich or right-wing. So long as you take the editorials with a pinch of salt (lots) they try to be factual with the news.

They're quite pro-Europe of course, Wolfie would wank himself to death if he was a regular reader.

I don't find the FT that pro-Europe and it's free to read. Anyway I'm more anti-stupidity than anything.
 
Bye bye British lobster and crab stocks etc...

Exclusive: EU fishermen can ‘plunder’ UK waters for remainder of this year

Boats allowed to haul in unlimited amount of non-quota species after Britain failed to set limits on catches in a post-Brexit agreement

EU fishermen have been granted the right to "plunder" UK waters of red mullet, scallops and lobster after Britain failed to set limits on the amount that can be caught in a post-Brexit agreement.

The Telegraph can reveal that, under the terms of the UK's first annual fisheries agreement with Brussels since Brexit, more than 1,600 European boats will be allowed to catch an unlimited amount of non-quota species for the remainder of this year.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/11/eu-fishermen-can-plunder-uk-waters-remainder-year/
 
I can 100% appreciate and accept anyone in the North who feels British. At this stage the most important thing is peace. However anyone in the North who believes that the average British person cares about them as much as the average Irish person does is frankly delusional.
So you don’t give a shit if the bombings start up again? Because that’s what they are gambling with here, not just that the North go short of a few items