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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Paul the Wolf said:
Actually it's:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana
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Well spotted, Wolfie.

Let's not delve too deeply into how this came about, though. Originally, the Advertising Standards Board would have had a field day with how Louis XV sold that as a holiday destination. Talk about 'warm and friendly welcome with full amenities and a relaxing environment!

And unless I'm mistaken, aren't you now facing a sort of growing Guixit movement?
 
Plymouth Red said:
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Well spotted, Wolfie.

Let's not delve too deeply into how this came about, though. Originally, the Advertising Standards Board would have had a field day with how Louis XV sold that as a holiday destination. Talk about 'warm and friendly welcome with full amenities and a relaxing environment!

And unless I'm mistaken, aren't you now facing a sort of growing Guixit movement?
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No they don't want to leave the EU either.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Well the British have still got the British Virgin Islands amongst others but that's only for stashing the Brexiter Elite's dodgy money. :smirk:
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Our money is considerably closer than yow.
 
Plymouth Red said:
Hi, Cheimoon,

I don't take your comments as rude, because you are erudite and polite. I recall you referring to 'my part of the Netherlands' and assume you may be Dutch. I may be wrong and it is not meant as an insult. I enjoy very much growing tulips. For this purpose, I will assume you are from the Netherlands, in which case your politeness is a pleasant change to the perceived nature of Dutch humour, which is actually known for its insults and rudeness.

The final words in the article I have linked to are pertinent.

"If a Dutch person pulls your leg, don’t be a crybaby and a spoilsport. Learn to laugh and pull the person’s leg in return, then afterwards, get over it. You wouldn’t really want to celebrate a pity party all day as your Dutch counterpart has probably moved on, without a thought about you."

I read these words and they resonated with me, even though I have no ancestral links to the Netherlands. I do, however, enjoy cheese, which is also a big Dutch pastime, as I understand.

Having looked at what, if anything, tickled the Dutch funny bone, I looked at how British humour is portrayed to the rest of the world. In essence...

"Combine self-deprecation with a dose of understated sarcasm and you have the key ingredients of British humor. Sarcasm and irony are ingrained in our DNA. They are produced with world-class timing and nearly always with a deadpan delivery that will leave you wondering as to whether it was indeed a joke (or not?)"

Which is why Wolfie told me gorgonzola was an Italian cheese, not French as I suggested. My lack of culinary knowledge or his missing a bit of mischief?

So I conclude that you and I may start from a different position on what we consider funny. There are also probably some generational differences between us which add to the mix.

My formative years were peppered with programmes like Best Of Enemies in the late 60s, through Ripping Yarns, the Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club, Wodehouse Playhouse, The Comic Strip, The New Statesman, into the 90s with Mrs Merton, Alexei Sayle, Ben Elton and Paul Merton and thereafter, it's been more of the same with today's better known names that make 'Dave' what it is.

Blame this stream of pixels and radio waves partly for how I choose to express myself. To put it crudely (which I try to refrain from), I grew up in a world where people properly and often cruelly took the piss out of everyone and anyone regardless of age, colour, creed, disability, heritage, sexuality and a hundred more characteristics. It was pretty brutal in that respect and I suspect you would have hated it. Inevitably, some of it rubs off but hopefully not too much. Mischief not malice is my style of choice.

Out of curiosity, Cheimoon, have you give other posters much feedback on their writing style?

Or have I achieved, in your eyes, the status of being the rudest and most insulting poster on the forum? Maybe I'm the first to receive a demerit from you? Or am I one of many? Do you jump on the 'fecks', 'cnuts' and similar bits of feedback sometimes handed out? Or do you class that style of writing as socially acceptable now?

Let's talk about another difference between us. In the thread on the End of the United Kingdom. Your question to Acnumber9 was

"Why's that? Wouldn't NI just join RoI, and things would kinda go on as before, especially now the customs border is anyway in the Irish Sea?"

To a British bloke who was in Belfast during the Troubles, your naivety is astonishing, But you don't know our history and why should you? Hence I didn't enter the debate to help you with your thinking. Yours was an innocent question but an open goal to anyone who wished to be truly sarcastic and insulting. Not guilty, m'Lud.

What I try to do is make some points that might have been missed or ignored, bring some balance or alternate thinking and challenge. Point out issues, facts or context that explain or undermine a point of view that someone has enunciated which is not in any shape or form fact-based. With my tongue firmly in my cheek, often, I admit.

I dislike double standards, which is why I asked about how much feedback you give on writing style. To bring balance, I find yours dull and humourless. It reminds me of too many board papers I had to read and approve which were anodyne and forgettable. Elk op hun eigen.

Hypocrisy is another bete noire for me. It's inbuilt in all debate and forums like this, but there's still value in pointing it out, especially when facts can highlight it.

You'll perhaps have seen If someone on here insults the UK and rants about how rubbish it is to live here, I sometimes tell them politely to leave. Similarly, when someone says the UK doesn't make a significant contribution to humanitarian causes, I point out that they are wrong, using facts. If someone says democracy is a bad idea, I take issue.

This place is so polarised that the shades of grey between white and black don't get much of a look in, so I try to give them some airtime, in my own, as you say, peculiar, style.

I'm going to bring this to an end now, Cheimoon. No plays on words with your nom de plume. No misspelling or abbreviation. No Edam from Switzerland throwaways (sorry, Cheimoon, but it's lunchtime here and I can't help thinking about a cheese sandwich. Cheddar, though. We can't get foreign stuff here because the lorries can't get through).

If I have bruised your sensitivities, I am deeply sorry. You were never meant to feel any discomfort from my musings. Deep down, you know that's the case and I hope you are OK now.

Let's be friends, let's celebrate the things we share in common and accept those that are points of divergence. I promise to try hard to do as you ask.

Above all, stay safe, be a good person and keep up the good work.

One final question, if I may, Cheimoon? Are you really from the Netherlands?
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asking nicely now, stop being so condescending to other posters. I don’t recall you behaving like this before
 
oates said:
Just like the French to still be running colonies. Bah humbug Papillon.
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Oates, you need to check it out. There are French overseas territories, collectivities, regions and probably a few more types. Who knew?

We've got a couple, but I think we'll get away with it on the grounds that most of ours are more like the banking equivalent of remote working. Just without the oversight and regulations.

Better to keep your spare cash there than in a charger, I suppose.
 
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Paul the Wolf said:
No they don't want to leave the EU either.
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Not sure you're on the money, there, Wolfie. FG is the only part of the Americas still under European control and not all the locals are happy about it, apparently, according to this list.

In fairness, it's a pretty long list and we can only hope that the individual movements don't end badly for the ordinary folk involved.
 
Plymouth Red said:
Not sure yo

Not sure you're on the money, there, Wolfie. FG is the only part of the Americas still under European control and not all the locals are happy about it, apparently, according to this list.

In fairness, it's a pretty long list and we can only hope that the individual movements don't end badly for the ordinary folk involved.
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There's also a rumour going round Scotland may want to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, you never know.
 
FireballXL5 said:
Meanwhile, let's try and spin some whimsical right-wing bollocks about this...

EU shellfish import ban permanent, UK fishing industry told

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55903599
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Steve

There's nothing whimsical about this. It's not unexpected by many in the industry and some would say it's par for the course. I have family connections with a trawler operating out of Plymouth and asked the skipper of one about this type of issue pre- the conclusion of the agreement. His view was that a difficult period was expected for a while once we left the EU but eventually, he thought sense would prevail because of supply and demand issues, which lost me a bit.

He said that various types of fish etc stock had wildly different levels which is why the fishing negotiations took so long. As I understand it, the EU countries now don't have access to decent shellfish sources, whereas we have better waters, thanks to the gulf stream. The Med is quite depleted and it's progressively pushed Europe's boats into our waters.

I don't know more than that but maybe there's a bit more willingness now to be less inflammatory about such matters. As I read it, a whelk that was acceptable to France a few weeks ago is not now, which is hard to work out.
 
Plymouth Red said:
Steve

There's nothing whimsical about this. It's not unexpected by many in the industry and some would say it's par for the course. I have family connections with a trawler operating out of Plymouth and asked the skipper of one about this type of issue pre- the conclusion of the agreement. His view was that a difficult period was expected for a while once we left the EU but eventually, he thought sense would prevail because of supply and demand issues, which lost me a bit.

He said that various types of fish etc stock had wildly different levels which is why the fishing negotiations took so long. As I understand it, the EU countries now don't have access to decent shellfish sources, whereas we have better waters, thanks to the gulf stream. The Med is quite depleted and it's progressively pushed Europe's boats into our waters.

I don't know more than that but maybe there's a bit more willingness now to be less inflammatory about such matters. As I read it, a whelk that was acceptable to France a few weeks ago is not now, which is hard to work out.
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Probably got something to do with leaving the EU / transition period a few weeks ago. Looks like you've got plenty more surprises to come.
Btw should we start calling you Hoe after Plymouth Hoe
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Probably got something to do with leaving the EU / transition period a few weeks ago. Looks like you've got plenty more surprises to come.
Btw should we start calling you Hoe after Plymouth Hoe
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Ho, ho, ho. Wolfie. Don’t mind what you call me as long as you call me for my dinner.

Of course, we had your chap Napoleon on HMS Bellerophon in Plymouth Sound in 1815. Apparently, he enjoyed the local shellfish during his ten day stay. You might want to pass this on to Michel as a testimony to the quality of the local produce.
 
horsechoker said:
Do you mean "hoe" with its modern slang meaning? :nervous:
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Yep, my preference is a straight draw hoe to get behind the rhododendrons but did you know there’s also a stirrup hoe.

Ideal for you if you’re doing any tidying up of your borders.
 
Plymouth Red said:
Yep, my preference is a straight draw hoe to get behind the rhododendrons but did you know there’s also a stirrup hoe.

Ideal for you if you’re doing any tidying up of your borders.
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What about your plums?

Plummy Hoe?
 
JPRouve said:
He is an overenthusiastic gardener and not a deviant.
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Get it now. Deviant’s a bit strong, JP, isn’t it? Although looking at the Urban Dictionary, horse choker is definitely a term outside of my vocabulary at the garden centre.
 
Plymouth Red said:
Wobble, I truly respect your honesty. Let’s not pretend people’s opinions count, let’s just tell them what’s going to happen and save all those pencils and voting papers.

But I agree that voting for constitutIonal change is vital. For example, how would the indigenous Australian population have fared without it?
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54 years later.

  1. Today in Australia, a mere 3.1 percent of the Australian population is indigenous. Even though they make up so little of the population, however, 19.3 percent of Aboriginal Australians live in poverty compared to 12.4 percent of other Australians.
  2. Only 4.8 percent of Aboriginal peoples have employment within the upper salary levels in Australia. This low percentage may link to pervasive racism within the country. Nineteen percent of Australians believe they are casual racists but refuse to change. Twenty-six percent of Australians have anti-Aboriginal concerns. Meanwhile, eleven percent of Australians do not think all races are equal. There does seem to be a changing tide, however, as 86 percent of Australians believe that Australia needs to do something to fight the pervasive racism in the country.
https://borgenproject.org/facts-about-poverty-among-aboriginal-australians/
 
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