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If there was ever a way of hardening anti EU sentiment.......difficult to imagine a more effective way. Who was advising the EU. Would’nt have been Farage by any chance would it?
 
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This is being confusingly discussed in three different threads at once. In another thread I just made the point that it might be a good idea if it goes down well with the voters. That’s what this is all about. Pacifying the angry mob. We’ll have to wait to see some polls over the next few weeks to find out whether it really was as terrible an idea as it seems to all of us.

I saw that and you have a point but it's still a stupid idea, particulaly if it actually comes from the commission and not the member states. Though, thinking about it I wonder if Von Der Leyen isn't under pressure behind the scene which would explain her behavior in the last few days.
 
This is being confusingly discussed in three different threads at once. In another thread I just made the point that it might be a good idea if it goes down well with the voters. That’s what this is all about. Pacifying the angry mob. We’ll have to wait to see some polls over the next few weeks to find out whether it really was as terrible an idea as it seems to all of us.
So after all that talk of avoiding hard borders at all costs and not risking they peace process... the unilaterally override the protocol for short term political optics. Despicable if that’s the reason.
 
So after all that talk of avoiding hard borders at all costs and not risking they peace process... the unilaterally override the protocol for short term political optics. Despicable if that’s the reason.

Yeah, pretty much. Politicians primary motivation for everything is winning votes. This week’s shocking revelation.
 
I saw that and you have a point but it's still a stupid idea, particulaly if it actually comes from the commission and not the member states. Though, thinking about it I wonder if Von Der Leyen isn't under pressure behind the scene which would explain her behavior in the last few days.

I’m sure she’s under pressure. All the heads of state are being crucified by the opposition in every session of parliament, all over the EU. So who else do they pick up the phone to when they want to vent at the end of the day?
 
Ha ha, everyone I’ve spoke to who voted remain is scratching their heads at this.
Don’t let that get in the way of Vidic narrative though, we can never speak out of line about the EU, we all think it’s perfect.

If an uninvolved third party just happened to read through this thread from the beginning, I think that this would be the conclusion.
 
Bit rich to take the moral high ground if the jist of this is that the UK won’t allow any export of the AZ vaccine until they’ve received 100 million doses :lol:

I wanna see that UK contract sooo bad.

I don't think the UK have said that have they? In fact, the AZ vaccine is already being produced in India.
 
The rumours have been that the UK AZ site must give the first 100m doses to the UK.
Is that false information?

Ah I thought you meant the UK government had released something saying they were going to control exports, in a similar vein to what the EU are saying now.

If you mean contractually, I have no idea to be honest.
 
One EU diplomat said they were astounded by the move and hoped it could be revoked within the next 24 hours. “Sometimes the quickest way to recover is to admit your mistakes,” they said.

One senior EU diplomatic source said: “This is an extraordinary misjudgement and shows a complete misunderstanding of the protocol and article 16, which is meant to be used as a last resort. There was no discussion about this and came like a shot out of the blue.”

They warned that tensions over the Northern Ireland protocol had risen over the past fortnight with traders unhappy with the extent of checks on goods traded across the Irish sea and controversy over the future movement of troops between Great Britain and NI.

“Irrespective of what Brexit we got, we knew there were going to be unforeseen consequences and these issues go to the very core of the troubles, sensitivities over identity and sovereignty and instead of the EU taking every effort to tackle the vaccine issue with the British government it has decided to use the Northern Ireland protocol.

“To retaliate in this way using the Northern Ireland protocol as a football is very dangerous,” they said.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...d-being-used-as-a-vaccine-backdoor-to-britain
 

Guardian article

"Ministers were prepared to pay a few hundred million upfront, allowing the company to build its first virus manufacturing process, and the UK government to demand its citizens be vaccinated first.

“That underpinned all of it,” an industry insider said."

So the UK is doing vaccine nationalism and AZ probably did two contracts, with colliding obligations.
And just as a thought:
The US is probably doing the same, so the EU and its production sites are providing not only their own citizens, but also the vaccines for the rest of the world that has no access to vaccinees ( and in fairness Russia and China, not sure about India).
So the UK has the high ground in this debate?
 
I wonder who authorised this. Looks like a move that has been thoroughly deliberated and planned by Donald Trump.
 
Guardian article

"Ministers were prepared to pay a few hundred million upfront, allowing the company to build its first virus manufacturing process, and the UK government to demand its citizens be vaccinated first.

“That underpinned all of it,” an industry insider said."

So the UK is doing vaccine nationalism and AZ probably did two contracts, with colliding obligations.
And just as a thought:
The US is probably doing the same, so the EU and its production sites are providing not only their own citizens, but also the vaccines for the rest of the world that has no access to vaccinees ( and in fairness Russia and China, not sure about India).
So the UK has the high ground in this debate?

The pfizer-biotech vaccine is a German-American endeavour.
The AZ is a Swedish-British endeavour.
Moderna American.
J&J American.
Novovax American.

All of those vaccine candidates, in different stages of being authorised and used around the world. How exactly is the EU 'providing vaccines for the rest of the world' while the UK and USA are not?

The post makes even less sense seeing as India has been authorised to produce the AZ vaccine in large numbers and has already supplied Brazil with some of the vaccine too.
 
To be honest, I don't find it that funny to see the EU descend into the same nonsensical political football playing the Tories have been engaging in for the past few years and it isn't good news for the UK if that is the kind of political discourse both sides will engage in in any kind of regular way from now on.

Let's hope it was a one off bad decision made in the heat of the moment by people under incredible pressure and that they row it back before we have the chance to respond in kind.
 
To be honest, I don't find it that funny to see the EU descend into the same nonsensical political football playing the Tories have been engaging in for the past few years and it isn't good news for the UK if that is the kind of political discourse both sides will engage in in any kind of regular way from now on.

Let's hope it was a one off bad decision made in the heat of the moment by people under incredible pressure and that they row it back before we have the chance to respond in kind.

I mean, you don't actually think that politicians on the continent aren't as cnutish as the ones you have in the UK? Have you seen a single european poster say something good about their politicians?
 
I mean, you don't actually think that politicians on the continent aren't as cnutish as the ones you have in the UK? Have you seen a single european poster say something good about their politicians?

ha ha.

We make them that way though in fairness, no non-cnut gets far in politics as we won’t vote for them. We seem to like the sneakiest cnuts best of all.
 
I mean, you don't actually think that politicians on the continent aren't as cnutish as the ones you have in the UK? Have you seen a single european poster say something good about their politicians?

You're right, they are of course as cnutish as the ones we have here. Just we've been airing our cuntishness for all to see in the past 5 years. Maybe I expected slightly better than the utter depths the Tories have taken us from the EU commission though. :D