And has increased in popularity not one jot during that time. Blair was a fan of course,m but then he fancied himself as a future President of all the Europeans. Without both a common foreign policy and increased military spending right across the continent (far-fetched at this time), it is little more than a costly adornment for the politicians. So just another example of the EU attempting to run before it can even walk.
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And has increased in popularity not one jot during that time. Blair was a fan of course,m but then he fancied himself as a future President of all the Europeans. Without both a common foreign policy and increased military spending right across the continent (far-fetched at this time), it is little more than a costly adornment for the politicians. So just another example of the EU attempting to run before it can even walk.
It's not really an example since it's not a thing, it's not really popular in France or Germany. Junker opening is mouth doesn't mean that the actually deciders are open to it.
Can we not just rename this the Remain thread? It would be clearer.
But it is clearly a thing amongst centralists and high level Eurocrats. I would categorise it alongside Brussels' grasping for cash when the continent was struggling with austerity; further evidence of a dislikeable quality at the heart of the EU's thinking.
The EU needs to be demonstrating some degree of humility in the years ahead, not this intransigence. The various debt crises, stuttering economic performance, the disarray of migration policy, Brexit, these ought to be recognised for the warnings they represent.
Every points you mentioned are the fruits of government actions at national level but obviously you are going to put it on the EU and the Eurocrats are not the ones making the decisions, they are in the hands of the heads of governments. But you already know that.
This argument is always used to defend the eu. It as if Leaders of Europe, in countries in the EU, are nothing to do with the EU, they aren't mutually exclusive.
If the public feel their national( Pro EU )leader is not listening to the common man, then the common man is not going to think the EU as a whole, is going to listen to them are they.
Is it that hard to understand????
It's not a defense of the EU, the "eurocrats" have little power on the things mentioned, the power is in the hand of our own leaders at national level. Blaming the EU on all subject won't fix anything, if you want to blame them do it when they are actually responsible.
For example the refugees in France and the problem in Calais, from a french standpoint there is only one culprit and he is named Sarkozy, he is the one who drafted the moronic agreement with the UK, then a few years later he thought that it was a good idea to downsize the Police, then he decided to get rid of Gheddafi when it was said that the latter financed his political campaign.
But if you want to blame the EU we can talk about their opinion on monopolies, the fact that they forced EDF-GDF to downsize because they were too big and the general lack of protectionism, that's an issue for me and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Oh yeah Tsar Cosy, Wont he be the next useless leader in France?
See you are looking at it from a country point of view whereas most people may criticise the eu as a whole for their useless handling of immigrants across the continent, what crap leader you have in france is neither here nor there as there's a production line of them.
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So the EU are useless at handling the immigration despite the fact that people like you refused to give them the power to do something because you want to keep your national sovereignty?
It's becoming ridiculous.
Yes it is hard to understand. What you are saying is that the people elect leaders who are incapable of doing their jobs correctly. But then you should blame these leaders and/or the people who elected them. Why blame the EU?
For example, Tony Blair decided to bomb Iraq, while many British people were against that. Should we blame EU for what Blair did? It's absurd! And yet, the destruction of Iraq is one of the main reasons for the immigration problem...
Because it's convenient. The EU doesn't have a genuine Home office, they don't have an actual custom administration because the leaders of our countries want to keep as much power as they can. And ironically, the anti EU who are complaining about all the power in the hands of Brussel are now complaining that the EU doesn't act like an actual federation, it seems that they want to see Brussel hold one of the most important power, Homeland security.
You can always vote out a govt the EU just keeps going the way it wants to go whichever way people vote. Thats the problem and denying or excusing it won't change that.
The EU has chosen to put free movement as a core principle overriding national govt sovereignty. You can't really hold a govt to account for failing to control its borders when membership of the EU prevents them from taking the action they otherwise would and condemn them if they try.
If the EU makes the laws then it is responsible for the fallout they lead to and in this case they are the prime mover in immigration policy because its about border control.
Which EU law prevent them from taking actions? The current immigration problem doesn't concern the freedom of movement of EU citizen, the main problem is with the Geneva convention.
The combination of Schengen,EU expansion and free movement.
It still has nothing to do with the actual control of immigration. EU countries can expel EU citizens, they don't have to give them residence permits, they can expel them if they don't find a job or if they live in precarity, they can control whoever they want at their borders (because borders actually exist). Illegal immigrants from outside the EU have zero rights outside of the Geneva convention and the UDHR, if they come from a war zone, we have to offer them asylum but if they are economical immigrants we can expel them to their countries, if they are without documents, we have to find their actual identity and where we can expel them.
Looks like old wounds could be opening
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...bellion-as-tory-mps-launch-new-hard-brexit-c/
edit: don't post telegraph articles
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...bellion-as-tory-mps-launch-new-hard-brexit-c/
edit: don't post telegraph articles
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We're fecked. There's no two ways around it.
^ Just trying to keep the PM honest i suspect.
The EU still hasn't understood that it is a totalitarian institution
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nderstood-that-it-is-a-totalitarian-institut/
The EU still hasn't understood that it is a totalitarian institution
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nderstood-that-it-is-a-totalitarian-institut/
The only people who have a problem with migration are racists and xenophobes so feck em
Daftness from the Telegraph as always, the EU are a dictatorship, bring back Brittania!
Suddenly it all becomes clear...
Paul McKennema
Was he using his 'skills' before the vote?
Was he using his 'skills' before the vote?
I'm not entirely sure, but the Sun was fervently 'out', so I assume he was on their side. Unless they are trolling him for being scouse?
Probanly cos there's nothing to write on the subject at the moment.
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Pro Brexit supporter Dawid Czerwonko. Do we think he might have missed the point of Brexit?
Nothing surprises me about how people voted now tbh, given first generation immigrants were voting out.
Birmingham voted Leave did it not? As did 40+% of Londoners.
Know many Aussies/Indians/Pakistanis city workers who have been here less than 2-3 years and have voted out. Have heard a whole host of reasons but none that make any sense to me.
One of my friends, who'd be on the first boat if Paul Nuttals was in charge, voted that way because her boyfriend was voting out. Was really depressing.
Almost makes democracy utter pointless.
Sounds like many a general election, where generation upon generation of a family votes a certain way simply through clan precedent. Do you think Remainers were not prone to voting on reflex or out of some group-think?
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Remain voters were not prong to anything, they all took their tine to consider the options
Yeah, a friend from Leicester (of Indian heritage) was shocked at how close the vote to remain was back home, given it was the first city to have a majority ethnic minority population.
I thought the jist of this thread was they fecked you instead and the name calling doesn't seem to be working and changing minds.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37409451