What's the significance of 9th of December & 12th of December for an election? University term dates?
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Basically, yes. The usual suspects don't want young people to have a say on their future.
Also, concerns that if it's 12th December, Johnson might try once more to ram through the Withdrawal Agreement Bill between now and dissolution next week. Not possible if it's the 9th as Parliament would have to dissolve before next week.
He's always ramming it down our throats.
Though I'm sure the opposition won't trust them not to try
It should be said that most unis are working until the 14th/15th.
https://www.reading.ac.uk/internal/staffportal/sp-term-dates.aspx
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/homepage/17/academic_year
https://www.lboro.ac.uk/students/enquiries/termdates/
https://www.plymouth.ac.uk/student-life/your-studies/term-dates
https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/undergraduate/courses/termdates.aspx
Not all though
https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/dates-of-term?wssl=1
https://www.cam.ac.uk/about-the-university/term-dates-and-calendars
https://www.manchester.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/teaching-learning/semester-dates/
Isn't it also true that if BoJo had won the vote he could have changed the date from the 12th to whenever he pleas?
Indeed, Blackford called for 'cast-iron guarantee' if SNP is to support the 12th of December
I think so under a 1 line bill he would have to go back to or recall parliament to change the date
Under fixed term act he could change the date
Will they believe any cast iron guarantee?
Manchester Xmas break says starts 18th December
Oxford and Cambridge break up before 9th anyway so the 9th / 12th would not seem relavant
Thanks, Laura.
I know it's fashionable, but even in 2019 there is nothing big or clever about shooting the messenger
I think it's more about concentrating both the student vote (and the efforts to motivate them to vote) into particular constituencies so they can make a difference rather than spreading that vote out thinly across the country where it will make virtually no difference.
EDIT: I've just checked and the date of the 2017 election was just around the end of semester 2, after exams had finished, in most universities as well so many students would have been home or on their way anyway.
Sorry - I was trying to be funny, and failed catastrophically.
yes there is
Can’t find the source but I’ve read before that it’s more of a gerrymandering thing than a “stop them from voting” thing. University student votes tend to be concentrated into constituencies during term times and as youth tend to be left leaning it can be a very decisive difference. Literally thousands of extra votes in each constituency rather than diluted out amongst hundreds of other constituencies.
Also, Universities and student bodies encourage students to be politically active and groups of students encourage each other to get out together and vote.
On top of that I know that this year the 12th of December is also the day a lot of Unis break up as it’s a Friday so a lot of students will have hand ins that day, be celebrating the end of term of travelling home so that would inevitably lead to a huge downturn in student turnout.
I think 1931 the last time an election wasn't on a Thursday.
So will certainly be a break with tradition if it's not.
That said I'm sure both sides have had people run the numbers and they feel it's worth the fight
I'll miss those at the start of the remaniacs podcast
Been in meetings all day. Seems like something interesting happened!
Whats the difference between '9th Dec' and '12th Dec' election proposals? Idiots guide.
What will BJ do next?
don;t worry, the Get Ready for Brexit campaign will be up and running against when we get ready to leave on January 31 2060
Of course the cost of production is too expensive in the EU/US, hence the historic protectionism and being quite happy to receive raw materials tariff free where there's no EU competition, but protecting EU businesses (no doubt after significant lobbying) for more profitable goods made from those raw materials. Likewise the CAP that discriminates against African farmers via state subsidies to EU farmers. This applies across the poorest parts of Asia and South America also.
Many people are less interested in the "whole world" and more interested in their local communities. They feel that MPs that live in their constituencies and have to fight for often a few thousand votes to stay in their jobs struggle to understand their concerns and effect change, let alone bureaucrats 300 miles away in Belgium that couldn't place their region on a map.
Dems and SNP insist on 9th December, which should prevent the chances of BoJo's Brexit deal being approved before Parliament is dissolved.
"Parliament has to be dissolved a minimum of 25 working days before the date of an election to allow sufficient preparations to take place."
That’s why I take issue with Kuenssberg, No 10 didn’t confirm anything. They claimed they weren’t going to try and bring the bill back and there’s a huge fecking difference with this government.
If opposition MP’s took her word on that for the value a BBC political editor’s word should carry, they could make a real error of judgement. If they did bring the bill back, you can guarantee she won’t apologise for her own poor journalism.
I think she's right on this occasion though
These self-inflicting defeats from Boris is already an election campaign. Trying to prove to the electorate other political parties being an obstruction against carrying out his job.
And, with the help of the right-wing press, it’ll probably work.
got it! thanks
Tory bast. People like you make me sick. Two floors? Have you somehow mastered the science of human mitosis, thus creating a second you who can enjoy this wonderful extra floor that you yourself will never get the benefit of. You do you that you can only physically on one floor at a time, right? Two floors...feck sake. I bet it's not even made out of cardboard with "Polaroid HD TV" written on it either. I bet you've got fancy lahdeedah bricks?!
When Corbyn sits atop his throne I'll beg him to grant you mercy, but I doubt it'll help.
Two floors, feck me.
No hope for me.. ill be rounded up with the rest of the blairite scum and thrown in the gulag...
That's still 30% that voted at their uni constituencies, right? That's more than the general population that voted for Brexit, so surely it's not just a few?
Wait, if you're a Blairite but you're deffo for the chop (Jezza said he wants to eat your pancreas because apparently it gives him the power to turn gold into iron so he can destroy the world economy) then I must be fecked too because as far as I'm concerned the only way Labour will ever win a GE again is if they got back to the New Labour days and woo the centrists.
feck man, they'll be after me as well then soon. I better tell the cats to fold up our home/toilet and bolt it.
That's still 30% that voted at their uni constituencies, right? That's more than the general population that voted for Brexit, so surely it's not just a few?
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I think that's 30% of students who actually voted
I have no idea What the student turnout was
Sorry I'm not following you on this. The trade agreement with the EU is designed to help the African countries by removing all tariffs on all goods, raw materials and finished goods. How is that protecting EU businesses? I've been buying finished goods from Africa for 30 years. Exported machinery to enable them to produce the goods, even shipped an entire factory from Holland, can't remember how many hundreds of containers. Our biggest customer was a food manufacturer (probably still is but I'm now retired). Also certain goods are actually banned, not high tariffs, to protect local African businesses-Supercharged Protectionism
The CAP will be replaced by government subsidies, possibly, otherwise many Uk farmers will go bust if it isn't.
But how that makes them cheaper than African farmers I really don't know.
The EU parliament is comprised of MEPs who should be living in their constituencies , the same as MPs in the UK, not running off to rallies in the USA supporting Trump or doing radio phone in shows on LBC. This weird concept of bureaucrats, Farage yet again.
Historically the trade agreements with African countries have been exploitative and have been designed to help EU businesses under the guise of helping African people. This is the same with the majority of the third world.
Like I said before... If there's a greater chance of an awful policy like the CAP or any farming subsidies being removed then that's good enough for me as there's zero chance the EU abolishes them. The same applies with unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs on second and third world countries.
If you don't understand how tens of billions of subsidies over several decades affects the marketplace and affects potential African competitors who don't have access to these subsidies then I'm unsure what to tell you. The technologies that EU farmers have been able to invest in as a result of a state bung is just one example. The dumping of cheap overproduced EU food as a result of the CAP into African countries over decades, decimating their own farming industries is another.
Of course, but again it's proximity and power. The larger the organisation and the more remote it's decision makers, the less chance anyone can effect change. If change could have been affected then the chance of the UK leaving would have resulted in a change of policy. However Cameron tried to effect change and got nowhere.
If you're a believer that much smaller regional government with greater powers is the key to greater democratic representation then the EU is the antithesis of that. My view is government struggles to successfully represent even several hundred thousand people, let alone 500m.
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Whats the point of the Fixed Term Parliament Act if Boris can simple bypass it as he plans to do today with a simple majority of 1 rather than 2/3?