Isn't it now a matter of public record that Thatcher wanted to shut down the mines, as the strikers had maintained all along, and used the strike as an excuse? With that attitude towards industry, do you really think the Tories needed any extra hindrance on state action?
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Isn't it now a matter of public record that Thatcher wanted to shut down the mines, as the strikers had maintained all along, and used the strike as an excuse? With that attitude towards industry, do you really think the Tories needed any extra hindrance on state action?
I wonder if they think that the rest of the world is run by fools. Which is kind of ironic considering that, these days, most of the people out there think the same about the Brits. I mean they voted to take control, only to end up being run by a prime minister they haven't voted for (in an electorate system were the 3rd most voted party ends up with 1 seat in parliament). They are all in favour of sovereignty and Localization vs globalisation and yet they bend over backwards to keep Scotland in the Union. FFS this government have even appointed Boris as foreign secretary, a guy who had insulted and burnt bridges with everybody.
Not to forget Nigel Farage. This guy has campaigned so hard against the EU, only to resign few days from UKIP leader after he secured his victory. Thats accountability for you. Kudos for him for being able to take good care of himself. He still enjoy the perks of being an MEP which ensures him of a prince like pension. Not to forget that he's been spotted in the German embassy while allegedly working on a dual citizenship for his family. Basically he secured all the perks he worked so hard to strip both British and EU people from. If the UK burns to the ground, he'll be unaffected by it as both his income and his freedom of movement are unaffected. How can the Brits be duped by this guy, especially since he doesn't even have tertiary education?
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To a degree... take for example steel and fisheries
You give state aid and the EU will impose tariffs making them non competitive for your closest market
Steel costs a lot to ship long distances and fish of course sell a lot better when fresh... add in the fact that any structural steel sold into the eu would still need to be ce marked so you still have to stick to the rules
It is great that the EU tries to rein in on random subsidies, that just destroy wealth and harm the majority of the population. One of the few things, where the EU actually gets something right.
Britain has slaughtered their industry quite comfortably on their own from Thatcher onwards. The EU had barely anything to do with that.
Japan and the US say we are idiots who have fecked ourselves.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ns-of-tough-times-for-uk-economy-after-brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ns-of-tough-times-for-uk-economy-after-brexit
It is to make sure foreigners don't get the impression that it is a small irrelevant banana republic somewhere near Europe I think.
Your industry won't magically become competetive. Workcost is too high, education isn't sufficient and effiency is in shambles. By concentrating on services and finances for decades you brought that upon yourselfs. What state action exactly was hindered by the EU exactly. Ah, right, none.
But sure, be happy the City of London, generating huge wealth for a few people while bringing absolutely nothing to vast parts of the population, gains even more power now
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In fairness 48% of the UK said the same
I do wonder if any exit deal we negotiate clearly does not carry a majority of public support if they will actually go through with it... I guess we will know circa 2019
Thatchers wannabee will make it a successful story
So...the Japanese are saying that future policy could depend upon the terms our future relationship with the EU. Earth-shattering news there.
And a lame duck president who can't even get his pet treaty agreed with his friends in Brussels, is predicting that we won't be offered one of their bad deals either.
All is going well. Nothing to see here.
The other net contributors are pissed because likely they will have to pay even more. Good luck EU in keeping it all together when the receivers see less.
I just hope you can enjoy your schadenfreude at the damage our exit will do to the EU as our own economy and industry tanks as a result of our ridiculous protest vote. Is working together with our nearest neighbours to ensure the betterment of the whole union so offensive to your xenophobic core that you'd rather we trash ourselves just to see everybody else suffer?
This really is an island of petty minded, vicious little bigots isn't it.
State action in support of industries? With a Tory government?
Looks the other way around in this thread, we can't just wish each other the best as we wave good bye, we have to be punished, called bigots and racists and petty minded. For my part I wish the EU and its members nothing but joy.
Apparently it is better to shaft yourself.
Who are the clients of UK's car industry?
The only people who have shafted the UK are the exit voters, how have the EU damaged us in any way?
It was the same in the run up to the referendum, vitriol to anyone who voted other than to remain, including being called stupid etc. Respect for democracy went out of the window.
Again, it's democracy you seem to be pissed at, we voted to leave, respect it. Our voters have shafted us???? Every general election there are many millions of voters who didn't vote for the outcome, but we don't seem the same level as vitriol as we generally respect the democratic process. Besides...
You don't see control of our borders as an issue then? You don't see funding a huge EU gravy train as an issue then? You don't see thousands of pieces of EU legislation an issue then? All cost of massively every year.
I always respect stupid descisions.
And people expect them to pay the tariff to access their main market, when they can produce the cars on the mainland?
And the eu wish nothing but joy to you. Now please activate article 50 and let the Nissan, mitsubishi and Co that the eu is open to business. Xenophobia doesnt take precedence over business in mainland Europe
Ian Hislop said it better than I could in the clip above, I do not need to respect or be happy to abide by the referendum decision and cannot as it was pure idiocy on the grandest scale we have ever witnessed. That there are people who still think we are somehow winning, a Charlie Sheen like level of self delusion, depresses the feck out of me.
We already have control of our borders, that we do a piss poor job of it is not the EU's fault. I don't see a problem with working EU migrants paying taxes, in fact I don't really see a problem with any migrants who have thus far come to this country, our problem is with our own idle who refuse to do a decent day's work. I also don't see us signing any agreement with the EU that won't entail us maintaining the same reciprocal open border for EU workers that we already have.
I don't see a huge problem with our EU payments, we had a better deal with the rebates than any of the other net contributors and the whole idea of the union is that longer term we all improve and become stronger together. I saw far more good coming from Europe than I see from our own politicians and far more protection from Europe in stopping our politicians taking the piss. I have no doubt we are worse off out and a cast iron certainty that we will all be shelling out more of our hard earned trying to keep this country afloat for the forseeable future than the EU would have ever taken from us.
Please, we've asked a million times, name one of these pieces of EU legislation you have so much issue with? All I have seen in the EU is attempts to even the markets out and make things safer and fairer for everyone, I sit on CEN committees within the Civil Engineering industry and whilst they are rather long winded talking shops they are also ultimately fair and have everyone's best interests at heart.
If they refuse to play to the uk whims the eu can shaft their bmw off....oh wait
Let's ignore the potential petiness, we need these industries, we have the potential workforce for these industries and they intend to ship them to mainland. It has to happen no matter what, the UK are a competitor now.
I agree
Energy tariffs, AWD, do you want me to list them all, or just point you to the white papers?
We don't have control of our borders if we can't choose whom enters them, under what conditions.
Being bullied for wanting control of your own laws and immigration controls shouldn't be accepted.
It depends how your perception of the EU is. Personally I see it completely different, I see one country influencing all the others for its own benefit and political ideology.
And is it such a fragile union that one country leaving is causing panic? Its lucky then that it wasn't a debt ridden country in the Eurozone then.
To make it clear, your problem is with EU citizens?
The same thing would happen if Texas had to leave the USA or Scotland had to leave the UK.
Well, they don't mind an unrestricted access to our markets and our money. Its just the people that they are bothered with
All we need now is a rousing chorus of Land of Hope and glory.
And energy prices have gone up since the Britex vote. So that is going well.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/12/fixed-rate-dual-fuel-energy-tariffs-brexit-uswitch
Yet had dropped by 25% prior to Britex. To a level about half what I pay in Australia for what it is worth.
We always were though, nothing has changed except we left a trade organisation and everyone in it seems to think it was our role to stay in it even if most people wanted to leave.
I don't get the vitriol, if it is a mistake then it is a mistake.