Not really. That's what he referred to. I'm well aware of the history since that point.
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Not really. That's what he referred to. I'm well aware of the history since that point.
You weren't talking about Bloody Sunday. You were talking about invasions and occupation.
It's not my job to deal with the issues at hand, why would I put my personal bias aside?
Was I?
Christ. Maybe we Brits should have a right go at the Danes for burning our villages and raping our women. When does it stop?
Yeah it's ridiculous isn't it.
This thread has become ridiculous, shouldn't even laugh but trying to compare viking raids to the troubles is ridiculous. There are many who are still alive and live with the consequences of that.
Might as well tell African Americans to get over slavery and Jews to get over the holocaust
Lads do what you want. I'm off to watch United. Just tone down the slagging off of the UK. Not everyone is a cnut and most people I know love the Irish and want this mess fixing.
Don't forget the bald people.
This thread has become ridiculous, shouldn't even laugh but trying to compare viking raids to the troubles is ridiculous. There are many who are still alive and live with the consequences of that.
Might as well tell African Americans to get over slavery and Jews to get over the holocaust
They are not trying, they are blaming Ireland and the EU.
The EU have in effect 'blinked' now by not rejecting this out of hand. If the EU at first appears to consider it but then reject it, then Boris has his hostage to fortune, for when the GE comes.
I can't really understand why having been firm all along the EU is now appearing, if its not actually, to waiver. No one of the leave persuasion is going to be converted into thinking the EU is listening, and those in the remain camp are getting the 'coly-wobbles', because after all their attempts to 'kettle' Boris, its just possible...an outside chance maybe, at the eleventh hour and in desperation a deal is done with the EU and the UK is out!
However most now seem to think any last-ditch deal is highly unlikely and that No Deal/Hard Brexit (which despite all the guff in the last 3+ years) was always and is now, going to be the final outcome... in the words of the song, "... they say that breaking up is hard to do... and you know, you know that its true..."
I don't want to get bogged down in this but the Troubles did happen, there's a large percentage of NI that identify as Irish in NI and have that right as per the GFA that was agreed on both sides.
This isn't some history lesson from hundreds of years ago, Ireland had a referendum that had voters disregard their claim to NI to allow it to happen.
It's stupidly fragile and still quite raw, incredibly unique and now we have the British government throwing that under the bus a mere 20 years later.
I don't know about any Danes and such.
This just seems like posters know the answers to the points they make but, for whatever reason, because its stupidly obvious it's disregarded.
No offence but you've completely belittled the belief and troubles of those who have suffered through NI with some nothing comparison to Vikings.
This is the root of the problem.
If you identify as a Brit you should attempt to understand and respect the history - to at least a basic degree. Otherwise how do you define being British? Purely Geographical?
Attitudes like this would certainly explain why some people may hate the English. And that's coming from an Englishman!
But the EU have compromised. There is no solution to the NI issue other than NI staying in the CU & SM - which was the original proposal but the UK insisted on the whole of the UK being covered by the backstop.
The EU are not going to give up the whole foundation of the bloc to satisfy the whims of the DUP.
The price of the UK leaving the EU is to have a border in the Irish Sea. Everyone is sick of it but there's no way on earth that the EU will compromise on the customs union or the single market. You will note from BJ's remarks that he doesn't want the UK's internal market to be compromised.
If Denmark were making a political and economic decision that directly threatened the economic stability and security of your nation then yes, you would be entirely within your rights to have a go at them.
As it is, Denmark have behaved much more rationally and sensibly in the centuries since the viking raids. They are not still attempting to cling onto their viking empire, the are not patronising and condescending in their international relations and they in recent memory, they haven't tried to bully the countries around them into accepting deals which leave them worse off.
Am I wrong in thinking a large number of people within NI identify as British and are quite glad they are being clung on to as you put it?
The EU have been blamed by the anti-EU crowd since forever and will not change whatever happens. The EU won't blink but are trying to reject this proposal in the lightest possible fashion.
Imo the EU has been far too indulgent since the beginning and could have avoided to an extent all these ridiculous proposals since May's first unicorns - imagine if Corbyn got elected and the Uk were still in the EU , there'd be another 3 years of this nonsense.
You're not wrong, just completely irrelevant.
I am not arguing for a united Ireland - I'm arguing that the UK stand by its obligations and responsibilities with regards the situation it created on this island.
A large part of the issue, and I say this as someone who lived in England for much of my childhood, is that the British (mainly the English) have never had to acknowledge their part in what happened in Ireland. Someone mentioned slavery and the holocaust above and it's worth noting that Germany had to come to terms with their Nazi past, the western white world has slowly had to come to terms and is still struggling to make reparations for its racist and slave driven past.
The British have never had to answer for what they did in Ireland and in other parts of the world - the actions of a few evil idiots in the latter years of the troubles allowed right wing English politicians to create this culture wherein it became acceptable to pretend there was equal blame on both sides. That a few stupid, corrupt terrorists committing terrible acts absolved the blame of centuries of systematic and state sponsored occupation, oppression and genocide.
People speak of maturity and concession - we were mature and we did concede. We were the bigger men and we put our faith in the idea that Britain had grown up and moved on when we agreed to and signed the Good Friday Agreement. Less than two decades later and that trust has been thrown back in our faces and the cnuts doing it have the gall to question why we're angry.
Embarrassing more like.
Thank you for raising this. I am extremely follically challenged and it is about time that we talked about this instead of Brexit.....
Ireland will not leave the EU in my lifetime but what may come about is a united ireland. Then there’s nothing to stop you wankers leaving
I appreciate you are pretty emotionally invested in matters but you're just rambling at this point and going way off the point. What I said it's very much relevant in the context of what you were getting at in your post.
There might even be folks alive remembering the battle of the Green Midget cafe, in Bromley.
This thread has become ridiculous, shouldn't even laugh but trying to compare viking raids to the troubles is ridiculous. There are many who are still alive and live with the consequences of that.
Might as well tell African Americans to get over slavery and Jews to get over the holocaust
With Brexit you can strike a deal with turkey for hair transplant tourism 0 taxed
It's funny that seemingly being ruled from abroad is why Britain voted to tear itself apart.
It's as if irony doesn't exist
No it wasn't. You picked one piece of language I used when referring to Britains sense of imperialism and superiority and attempted to set it up as a straw man for an argument I was never trying to make. It's been your go to modus operandi whenever I've seen you attempt to argue on these matters and is indicative of the mud slinging debating techniques used by the politicians you look up to.
That you can't connect the points I was making to the issues of today and can dismiss them as ramblings just prove my points further.
Surely the amount of people tearing their hair out puts you in a stronger position. You might even be the only ones getting a majority
Sorry now you're just talking utter shite.
Wish I had voted leave in that case.
Surely the amount of people tearing their hair out puts you in a stronger position. You might even be the only ones getting a majority
Every cloud has a silver lining.
Thankyou for caring.
Just an observation but you routinely seem to come into this thread and ask for answers to complex questions then kind of run away and hide behind posts like these when someone engages.
Is there a point?
I'm not running away from anything but I'm reluctant to debate with people who have a hidden agenda. Making sweeping statements about my personal thoughts and political opinions is beyond ridiculous, purely based on the fact I'm offering a different opinion.
There's a core of CE posters who push other posters away from giving their opinions in here because they make the conversation personal when they don't like an opinion given. It's a very childish way of engaging and makes the CE an uncomfortable place for many of the forum which is sad.
This is disingenuous beyond belief.
There is no hidden agenda among Irish posters, or indeed with the Irish government on this debate. Our position is as clear as day.
You trying to pretend the history between our two countries is not relevant to this debate is not presenting a different opinion. It is dishonest and insulting to the intelligence of anyone trying to engage properly with the issues at hand.
In making another point entirely, I alluded to the British sense of imperialism and you latched onto that, trying to angle the discussion towards an argument where you could present me as fighting for a united Ireland (which I have never argued for, even if I think it is now eventually inevitable). I caught what you were trying to do and called you out on it so now you are playing the victim card and trying to act like I'm the one being childish.
Very little i would imagine. It would be pretty stupid for a country to want to leave the largest trading bloc on the planet.
Very subtle.
Why do you keep going at the personal jibes? There's simply no need. You've called me out on nothing I'm afraid. Who even mentioned a united Ireland?! Certainly not me nor did I allude to it. You angled discussion that was I simply pointed out that within NI a very large number of people identify as British and want to remain so. It's not about the UK clinging on to it.
'The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.'
Are full of passionate intensity.'
Explain the relevance of that point in relation to the post of mine you were replying to.