And the fact they've more than likely lied to the Head of State.
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And the fact they've more than likely lied to the Head of State.
Nigel Evans is a pleb. Never offers anything remotely insightful, just parrots the same soundbites over and over
What was the motion?
What does the government defeat on Grieve motion mean?
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...assent-boris-johnson-parliament-politics-live
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...assent-boris-johnson-parliament-politics-live
That was Boris Johnson’s fourth main defeat in a Commons vote since he became prime minister. The other defeats were: on the Oliver Letwin motion allowing time for the Benn bill, on the Benn bill at second and third reading and on holding an early election. The final vote counted as a defeat, because Johnson did not get the required two-thirds majority, although technically he won, because more MPs voted in favour than against.
But what does it mean?
Humble addresses are considered binding on the government. This vote means the government is now obliged to release to the Commons:
1) all private messages sent between nine advisers, including Dominic Cummings, the prime minister’s de facto chief of staff, including text and WhatsApp messages and private emails, sent from 23 July relating to the prorogation of parliament.
2) all the documents prepared within Her Majesty’s government since 23 July 2019 relating to operation Yellowhammer and submitted to the cabinet or a cabinet committee.
The material is meant to be handed over by 11 September.
However, it does not seem likely that the government will comply. The Commons will not even by sitting on Wednesday. Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, told MPs that some version of the Operation Yellowhammer document would be published anyway. But during the debate Geoffrey Cox, the attorney general, suggested that the government would not have the legal power to enforce the release of the messages even if it wanted to comply. (See 5.51pm.)
Last year Labour used the humble address mechanism to require the publication of the attorney general’s legal advice about the withdrawal agreement. The government initially ignored the request, and it only complied a month later when MPs passed another motion finding the government in contempt of parliament.
In this case no such contempt motion will be passed any time soon, because after tonight the Commons will not be sitting until 14 October.
And even if it were passed, a contempt motion on its own would not force Boris Johnson’s government to comply. Theresa May’s government did, but May respected the authority of parliament. Johnson’s administration seems much more contemptuous of it.
On other issues MPs and campaigners have threatened legal action, or gone to court, to ensure that Johnson complies with their wishes. But this vote is not a matter of legislation. It is a Commons procedural matter, and so it is hard to see on what basis the courts could intervene.
That was Boris Johnson’s fourth main defeat in a Commons vote since he became prime minister. The other defeats were: on the Oliver Letwin motion allowing time for the Benn bill, on the Benn bill at second and third reading and on holding an early election. The final vote counted as a defeat, because Johnson did not get the required two-thirds majority, although technically he won, because more MPs voted in favour than against.
But what does it mean?
Humble addresses are considered binding on the government. This vote means the government is now obliged to release to the Commons:
1) all private messages sent between nine advisers, including Dominic Cummings, the prime minister’s de facto chief of staff, including text and WhatsApp messages and private emails, sent from 23 July relating to the prorogation of parliament.
2) all the documents prepared within Her Majesty’s government since 23 July 2019 relating to operation Yellowhammer and submitted to the cabinet or a cabinet committee.
The material is meant to be handed over by 11 September.
However, it does not seem likely that the government will comply. The Commons will not even by sitting on Wednesday. Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, told MPs that some version of the Operation Yellowhammer document would be published anyway. But during the debate Geoffrey Cox, the attorney general, suggested that the government would not have the legal power to enforce the release of the messages even if it wanted to comply. (See 5.51pm.)
Last year Labour used the humble address mechanism to require the publication of the attorney general’s legal advice about the withdrawal agreement. The government initially ignored the request, and it only complied a month later when MPs passed another motion finding the government in contempt of parliament.
In this case no such contempt motion will be passed any time soon, because after tonight the Commons will not be sitting until 14 October.
And even if it were passed, a contempt motion on its own would not force Boris Johnson’s government to comply. Theresa May’s government did, but May respected the authority of parliament. Johnson’s administration seems much more contemptuous of it.
On other issues MPs and campaigners have threatened legal action, or gone to court, to ensure that Johnson complies with their wishes. But this vote is not a matter of legislation. It is a Commons procedural matter, and so it is hard to see on what basis the courts could intervene.
Publishing Yellow Hammer and the communications about No Deal Brexit and proroguing parliament.
Similar to what I think. My money is on a Labour/LibDem alliance to win. Tories will get trounced.
Also Facebook usage is dramatically down since 2016 and those remaining are very suspicious about any political messaging on there.
True. Moustachism must be feared.
Who is that person attacking his own party. Thought he was a Tory at first.
He's an independent who stood for Labour in the last election then quickly left.
Not seen Ian Austin that angry since someone dared to suggest that those responsible for the decision to go to war in Iraq must face up to the consequences.
Corbyn has done well this last week.
To summarise this: Grievous Borissy Harm
I missed the debate tonight but what the hell is this nonsense I'm reading from the AG and Gove about data privacy laws. Employees emails are not private and if they're using private channels for any of this then they deserve an even bigger kicking.
Worst government ever. Bunch of total cnuts
Dominic Cummings “I don’t care if Northern Ireland falls into the fecking sea”
^'Deal with it' shades^
Standard.
Any substance in this? Other than random twitter quote by ‘Senior MP’
From the Sun as well...........
Johnson on his feet. More baiting of Corbyn. Hopefully Labour hold their nerve and send this bumbling twat, tail between his legs, off to Brussels to seek an extension.
Is Boris drunk? That way he leans forward all the time... lucky to have a table there.
Worth noting in so far as it highlights the point that the backstop won't go away once a no deal occurs. The Irish government have said that solving the NI issue will be a pre-condition of any EU/UK trade agreement and now a member of Varadkar's own party has been named as the EU's chief trade negotiator.
The smug look on the faces of the Tories is so annoying. cnuts.
Corbyn on fire! Best I've seen him!
‘If you really want to delay Brexit beyond October the 31st, which is what you seem to want to do, then vote for an election and let the people decide if they want a delay or not. And if you refuse to do that tonight, I will go to Brussels and negotiate our departure, hopefully with a deal, but without one if necessary. I will not ask for another delay.’
I mean, he does realise it’s now illegal to do this, right? What is the point of this statement.
I mean, he does realise it’s now illegal to do this, right? What is the point of this statement.
Caroline Lucas MP:
Nicky Morgan and James Cleverly sitting to his left on TV were the worst. Disgusting. Just astonishing these idiotic juveniles get voted in.
Who do the tories think they are kidding? The people they should be negotiating with keep repeating that there are no serious negotiations or proposals, their ministers and pm aren't proposing anything in public and the civil servants say theres nothing happening.
What's wrong with the people who are buying this BS?
What's wrong with the people who are buying this BS?
They work for the BBC?
Can somebody summarise what’s happening tonight, can’t watch atm
“A general election is by its very nature, general”
Like listening to Ben Swain.“A general election is by its very nature, general”
Whose this bloke that stood up talking now? He's very well spoken.
When he goes on Paxo
“Well, that's Yes, I'm sure you'd like me to Well, I'd like to answer that question, Jeremy, and I'm sure you'd like to rush me into an answer but of course...”When he goes on Paxo
What are the chances of Lib Dems doing pretty well now they’re outright backing revoke?
They have my vote and there must be millions who think the same as me.
They have my vote and there must be millions who think the same as me.