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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


  • Total voters
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Jesus...
Geoffrey Cox suggets Number 10 could not force staff to comply with Grieve’s motion
Geoffrey Cox, the attorney general, intervenes. He asks what legal right the government has to require its employees to give up its personal email accounts and private messages.

Grieve says these are government employees. During the course of their work they have to comply with the civil service code, including not using private email addresses to carry out official work.

He says, in addition to that, it is a question of what the Commons requests.

He says he understands this House could act abusively.

But he says, if any government employee is asked to look and see if a communication has been carried out relevant to work, you should be willing to provide it. That should not be a matter of coercion, he says.
 

This is wild. The attorney general suggesting that the government can't force employees to turn over public records? I'm sure the specifics are somewhat different, but generally public records are anything pertaining to government business regardless of whether it's on a government account/device or a personal account/device.
 
Boris = Leave, No Deal and UKIP types.

That doesn't include centre/centre right tory vote, which accounts for c.33% Tory MPs and the votes they acquire.
Indeed not, yet they will vote for those policies and this reckless Government. They will stand shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Robinson and his ilk. Whether the Conservatives remain a broad church or not is debatable, but any church so broad it incorporates Tommy Robinson is too broad by a stretch.
 
Impeachment could actually happen. They certainly have the numbers.
 
What is the most likely outcome now? I’m lost

Delay and gen election?

Depends if they try to wriggle out of the law passed last week.

If they do, I see a GNU. If not, an election some time after October 31st.
 
yet he would still win a general election, according to polls, despite the last week.

the voting public suck.

Indeed not, yet they will vote for those policies and this reckless Government. They will stand shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Robinson and his ilk. Whether the Conservatives remain a broad church or not is debatable, but any church so broad it incorporates Tommy Robinson is too broad by a stretch.

Totally agree about Robinson, hence why I think it will deter some Tory voters.

The upcoming election wont be about party politics, rather it will be 'presidential' style personality war between BJ Leave/NoDeal vs JC Remain/Deal.

The 'swing' vote accounted for 40% of voters in 2015 election. I suspect that for all these voters, their decision to Remain or Leave the EU will be the contributory factor in they way they 'swing' in next election. Where do Remain Tories go?

Likewise, as has recently been suggested in the media, there will be lots of 'strategic' voting in the upcoming election, where I suspect these 'moderate' tories or labour voters in weak constituencies will vote LibDem. I also think some Tory voters may go towards The Brexit Party. All this splinters the Tory vote.

I feel confident that the Tories will not gain a governing majority nor be able to form a functioning coalition.
 
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I feel confident that the Tories will not gain a governing majority nor be able to form a functioning coalition.

Having written 3 or 4 mathematical models over the last week on it with various variables, I'm not confident. There are so many unknowns right now though.
 
Depends if they try to wriggle out of the law passed last week.

If they do, I see a GNU. If not, an election some time after October 31st.

Will people stop doing this!

This is a Gnu, ffs we aren't even allowed l o l!

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It's kind of cute watching Gove argue so passionately when we all know that the government will lose all votes tonight :lol:

 
Gove tries the renowned 'It's the people who call out racism who are the racists!' approach:
Gove says the Grieve motion is unprecedented.

It is a fishing expedition, he says.

He says it drives a coach and horses through privacy regulation.

And he says it may be in breach of article eight of the European convention on human rights on privacy.

He suggests this is an unprecedented example of people who claim to respect conventions undermining them.
 
Gove tries the renowned 'It's the people who call out racism who are the racists!' approach:
Clearly setting out their position for when they loose then refuse to publish.
Parliament can't really do anything about it till it's recalled at which point one suspects there will be so many other issues even the government being Heald in contempt of parliament will seem pretty tame
 
Purging remainers out of the tories just means more room for nutters. They will be like US Republicans

Yup that's also what happened in France with LR, the party is now exclusively made of absolute weapons at the top.
 
Nah, by all accounts he's a thoroughly unlikable person. Lots of bullying allegations against him. Hardly surprising, you can see he has a very high opinion of himself and likely suffers from the classic small-man syndrome. I do begrudgingly respect him for his role as speaker in opposing the lunacy of a no-deal Brexit.
I've heard the opposite. Quite nice for a Tory.
 
Tommy Robinson and his supporters will loudly proclaim their support for Boris in town squares, football stadiums and social media, which will horrify moderate tory voters.

Not a great move for BJ, though Cummings will probably be delighted.
Having just seen Rise of the Nazis (covering early 30s) on BBC, I'm concerned.:eek:
 
Ayes - 311
Noes - 302
To be honest 302 is better than I expected. What does anyone other than hard brexiteers have to gain from voting with the government anymore? Can only imagine some actually voted against it on principle. They'll loose the other votes worse than that.
 
please share the highlights?

tl;dr: not enough certainty yet to be either bullish or bearish on GDP. Who would have thought that Corbyn becoming prime minister would cause a big spike in sterling eh? We've not even started campaigning yet.

Slightly more granularity:

- In the event of a 'loose alliance between libs/lab, they may be able to get some sort of government formed.
- Facebook campaigning from the conservatives will not be near as effective as last time. It's not 2016.
- A loose alliance between the brexit party and the conservatives will not be deciding
- The most interesting seats are ones in remain areas that pollsters have predicted as a narrow conservative majority. This GE will not be decided on traditional metrics
- Liquidity could be an issue for the next few weeks
 
To be honest 302 is better than I expected. What does anyone other than hard brexiteers have to gain from voting with the government anymore? Can only imagine some actually voted against it on principle. They'll loose the other votes worse than that.

I think they voted along party lines out of general preservation of their party. Regardless of Brexit, this could be very damaging as it is likely to be some fairly plain evidence of the Tories showing absolute contempt for the public and public institutions they’re supposed to be protecting.
 
I think they voted along party lines out of general preservation of their party. Regardless of Brexit, this could be very damaging as it is likely to be some fairly plain evidence of the Tories showing absolute contempt for the public and public institutions they’re supposed to be protecting.
Yeah but there's not 302 of them anymore though?
 
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