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Hard not to be pessemistic as Britex is a disaster. Not even one waiting to happened. And not just economically.
 
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Wibble said:
Hard not to be pessemistic as Britex is a disaster. Not even one waiting to happened. And not just economically.
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Exactly

Unrealistic Pessimists exist on both the remain and leave camp. For example you hear alot of Leavers claiming that the EU will go in meltdown once there isn't the UK to help them rule the waves and 'bankrolling' them. Which I believe that its equally ridiculous to those who think that the UK will turn into a third world country because of Brexit.

There again, I don't think its stupid to think that both the EU and the UK are going to pass from one hell of a bumpy ride, with the latter struggling more then the former because its a smaller market, its got to build its trade deals from scratch and there's plenty of pissed off countries (at the UK) around. There's also a reason why countries are ganging together (EU, NAFTA. ASEAN, African Union etc) and seeking more cooperation with one another. England itself believe in such unity since it works so hard to keep the UK from going into meltdown and wants to keep open borders with other countries in the EU such as Ireland, Spain (if Spain close the borders to the Giblitarians then they will suffer) and if Scotland decides to leave the UK and join the EU (difficult but not impossible) then with the Scots as well. Dont take me wrong the EU does need some serious reforms but its a good project and it had worked well especially for the Brits. Its really sad than we're all heading to a recession which I believe to be totally unnecessary and for a decision which goes against common sense and the good of everyone (EU and UK citizens)
 
Wibble said:
Hard not to be pessemistic as Britex is a disaster. Not even one waiting to happened. And not just economically.
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Well my life has not changed at all so i have no need to feel glum about it. i will also try and.make the best of whatever comes of it and stay positive. there are worse things in life to get suicidal over
 
Stanley Road said:
Well my life has not changed at all so i have no need to feel glum about it. i will also try and.make the best of whatever comes of it and stay positive. there are worse things in life to get suicidal over
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no one is getting suicidal about anything mate. Certainly not me who can work anywhere, who come from a country with a ridiculously low unemployment rate and who hold an EU passport. There again, there's nothing wrong in discussing politics isn't it?
 
Stanley Road said:
Well my life has not changed at all so i have no need to feel glum about it. i will also try and.make the best of whatever comes of it and stay positive. there are worse things in life to get suicidal over
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That's the spirit; I'm alright Jack.
 
Stanley Road said:
Well my life has not changed at all so i have no need to feel glum about it. i will also try and.make the best of whatever comes of it and stay positive. there are worse things in life to get suicidal over
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You don't even live in the UK :confused::confused:
 
devilish said:
no one is getting suicidal about anything mate. Certainly not me who can work anywhere, who come from a country with a ridiculously low unemployment rate and who hold an EU passport. There again, there's nothing wrong in discussing politics isn't it?
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Course not but the discussion revolves around uk politics which was a mess before the vote. What about spain that cant form a govt and wide discontent in europe with the eu?
 
Stanley Road said:
Course not but the discussion revolves around uk politics which was a mess before the vote. What about spain that cant form a govt and wide discontent in europe with the eu?
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I don't live in Spain and I have no family living there.
 
Stanley Road said:
Well my life has not changed at all so i have no need to feel glum about it. i will also try and.make the best of whatever comes of it and stay positive. there are worse things in life to get suicidal over
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True but the sheer stupidity of it is stunning.
 
Thought this was a great article summing up some of problems that lies ahead for Britain after invoking Article 50.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/the-brexit-hangover-just-got-worse

The Brexit camp is keen on citing the example of Greenland, which voted to leave the E.U. in 1982, a few years after the country won home rule from Denmark. But even with a population of just 56,000 and an economy that is tiny in comparison to that of the United Kingdom, it took three straight years of negotiations for Greenland to realize its emancipation. If Article 50, the mechanism that formally triggers Britain’s exit, is invoked, the U.K. is somehow expected to complete the process in two years.
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There is nothing to give us confidence that anyone in the U.K. government fully comprehends the reality of the situation. After all, the government minister in charge of Brexit, the aforementioned David Davis, only realized in the last few months that it would not be possible for the U.K. to forge individual trade deals with different E.U. member states. As an old debating partner of mine—we have shared many platforms on civil liberties—I hesitate to be too brutal about Davis’s failure to grasp that E.U. countries cannot make discrete trade deals. But, frankly, it beggars belief that he lived for so long under this illusion, and that these wildly optimistic fantasies weren’t challenged.
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British Conservative politicians are habitually rather scathing about Scandinavian countries on account of their enlightened attitudes towards welfare and tax. But now they are all over Norway like a cheap suit, hoping that Britain can, like Norway, become a member of the European Free Trade Association, which allows a country to enjoy the benefits of the single market while not being a member of the European Union. Not unreasonably, Norway is raising objections. “It’s not certain that it would be a good idea to let a big country into this organization,” said the country’s European-affairs minister, Elizabeth Vik Aspaker. “It would shift the balance, which is not necessarily in Norway’s interests.”
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The Brexit camp, as represented by The Spectator magazine, which proclaimed “Out—and into the World” when it endorsed the Leave campaign, seems to have absolutely no understanding of international trade or Britain’s dependency on Europe. For instance, the E.U. takes 39.4 percent of the U.K.’s service exports, which is more than the next nine trading partners—the U.S., Switzerland, Japan, China, Canada, Russia, India, Hong Kong, and Brazil—combined (38.4 percent). If Britain were to lose access to the single market, or British-based banks were stopped from trading freely in Europe through the “passporting” arrangements with the E.U., it would take very little to end the City of London’s reign as the de facto financial capital of Europe. In fact, Britain could pretty soon be broke on account the enormous tax revenue the City produces.
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Cognitive dissonance. The people who voted leave generally won't accept that the things they believe are turning out to be nonsense. There will be lots of people doing bizarre mental gymnastics to justify why the forecoming recession isn't because of Brexit.
 
Theresa knew what she was doing . They wanted out and she threw them to the wolves.
 
Well, no surprise there that calamity follows the Brexit Three. I just learned today that my Santander savings rate will be cut in half while the economy will keep enjoying inflated house prices while landlords keep skinning people alive.
 
Brexit means Brexit … but the big question is when?


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/22/brexit-means-brexit-when-is-big-question

So, while we may be two months in, you might want to get used to the waiting. Brexit may not happen quite yet.
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As well as the article 50 talks a raft of others must follow, including on Britain’s new trade deal with the EU, which could prove so complicated it requires an interim agreement to tide things over.

Then Britain’s full WTO membership must be re-established (which means drawing up a new set of national tariffs, a monumental task, and winning approval from 164 countries), and the 50-plus free trade agreements negotiated by the EU on its members’ behalf renegotiated.
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Plus, as Charles Grant, of the Centre for European Reform, points out, new deals will be needed on European security, defence, the environment, science and research and, in all probability, Northern Ireland.

And that takes no account of the changes needed in UK domestic laws and regulations. Brexit, notes Dominic Cook of Oxford University’s Saïd Business School, is “the biggest transformational project a UK government has ever undertaken” not only because of foreign negotiations but “the inward-facing part: implementing and educating in the UK”.
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SwansonsTache said:
Oh, look, now Jean Claude Juncker wants to remove borders in its entirety. These guys really just dont know when to stop, do they? Therese May wasn't to impressed the article says.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...k-after-jean-claude-juncker-claims-borders-a/
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Juncker is wrong of course. There again its also unacceptable to the Western world to sell weapons to dictators or go bombing this or that country only to then hide behind borders to avoid getting overwhelmed with refugees. Its time the West take a bit of responsibility regarding wars it caused or encouraged in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Not to forget the years of colonialism and grief in caused in Africa and beyond.

I also cant understand why Theresa May would react to what Juncker said. Wasn't the UK on its way out of the EU?
 
devilish said:
Juncker is wrong of course. There again its also unacceptable to the Western world to sell weapons to dictators or go bombing this or that country only to then hide behind borders to avoid getting overwhelmed with refugees. Its time the West take a bit of responsibility regarding wars it caused or encouraged in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Not to forget the years of colonialism and grief in caused in Africa and beyond.

I also cant understand why Theresa May would react to what Juncker said. Wasn't the UK on its way out of the EU?
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Juncker, a man no one even knew they were voting for, deciding something no one agrees with and no one knows how much weight his view carries. The EU summed up and people wonder why the UK voted to leave.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Juncker, a man no one even knew they were voting for, deciding something no one agrees with and no one knows how much weight his view carries. The EU summed up and people wonder why the UK voted to leave.
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Juncker was voted by the MEPs and we vote for MEPs. This was the first British general elections I voted for. In my country voting is a big thing with turnouts of 93-94% so we take politics seriously. I can't recall being given the option to vote for Cameron, Miliband etc. There were five or six random dudes I've never even heard about (no May, Osborne, Farage, Gove etc) and I presume the conservative dude which I didn't voted for voted for their prime minister.Since I live in a fiercely conservative area and I hate tories with a passion my vote is worth less than toilet paper. I'll never be represented into parliament and the seat in my locality will always go to the conservatives. The system is so skewed that the third most voted party in the UK only ended up with just 1 seat. Sorry mate but this system is even worse than that that elected Juncker

Returning to war, who voted in Malta, Tunisia etc to have one of our neighbouring country into a little Somalia? Why should we now stop the immigrants from reaching the very shores of those who went bombarding Libya while facing the ire of those same immigrants who clearly do not want to stay in these countries? Most decisions are taken which are out of our hands. That's how life is.
 
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devilish said:
Juncker was voted by the MEPs and we vote for MEPs. This was the first British general elections I voted for. In my country voting is a big thing with turnouts of 93-94% so we take politics seriously. I can't recall being given the option to vote for Cameron, Miliband etc. There were five or six random dudes I've never even heard about (no May, Osborne, Farage, Gove etc) and I presume the conservative dude which I didn't voted for voted for their prime minister.Since I live in a fiercely conservative area and I hate tories with a passion my vote is worth less than toilet paper. I'll never be represented into parliament and the seat in my locality will always go to the conservatives. The system is so skewed that the third most voted party in the UK only ended up with just 1 seat. Sorry mate but this system is even worse than that that elected Juncker

Returning to war, who voted in Malta, Tunisia etc to have one of our neighbouring country into a little Somalia? Why should we now stop the immigrants from reaching the very shores of those who went bombarding Libya while facing the ire of those same immigrants who clearly do not want to stay in these countries? Most decisions are taken which are out of our hands. That's how life is.
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The system has many critics but we had a vote on changing it and decided against doing so. There is no perfect system and I'm not convinced that there really is a better one.If Junker wants no borders then he is clearly out of touch with most of the people living in the EU. That doesn't seem to matter in the EU which was my point, he doesn't have anything close to a mandate for such a move.
 
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