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Yep. I really think he is well and truly checkmated. I really don't see what Boris does at this point. No election and bound by law to ask the EU for an extension, which he has categorically said he won't do.
Great to watch.
Agreed.
But at least he could then make a more compelling case for a GE and when he got one he could frame it as a people v parliament contest. He could ensure that like minded candidates replaced the deselected MP's and, based on the current state of the other parties have a reasonable chance of winning a majority.
I don't think he is check mated yet, that would indicate the game is over, but he's in a very dire situation of his own making.
On the advice of Cummings he tried to act like an autocratic strongman who's in contempt of his party, the Parliament and the people (told them he'd get a deal, when he doesn't even have a plan or proposal and is just running the clock down). But all it did is divide his party and unite the opposition who are now firing at him from all angles.
Best idea is to keep him in place till he breaks the law or steps down. The longer he's under the spotlight the more his incompetence shows and the more his aura wanes. Another month of this and the rest of the party could turn on him while the voters leave him for Farage.
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Yup, all the businesses that go bust, the lives that are ruined.....it’ll definitely be all quiet on the brexit front
How is that case any more compelling than it is now? He's got no majority, he's impotent and in a legislative bind. He's already gonna frame the election as People vs Parliament regardless, we know that.
Why would he risk alienating the hard core Brexiteers after he kicked the moderates out? He'd also need to do a 180. He told everyone a million times the WAB is dead and backstop is undemocratic. Putting that on the floor again will see him lose any little integrity he has left.
Democratic will led to them joining and democratic will may one day lead to them wanting to leave but they will have little practical mechanism to do so. They've set off in a direction of travel that will be incredibly hard to change which is why the hotel California reference works.
It's actually even worse - not only the relationships with the EU but with the whole world including current relationships with countries that have agreements with the EU and this is even true after the transition period with the WA ratified.
The Uk will become a completely different entity when they leave.
Honestly, no one knows. It's completely uncharted territory.
Let's say the Supreme Court does rule that the government or Prime Minister is acting illegally... then what? If the government refuses to comply with the court, it falls on parliament again to execute a vote of no confidence and remove the government. I can't see a court dragging a sitting prime minister away in handcuffs and locking them up. They'd throw it back to parliament to implement if the government refused to comply with the court, I'd guess.
And even then, it ultimately rests on the people to take to the streets if the government is refusing to obey the courts and the law. That's ultimately the only real protection against fascism that exists.
I think this week shows that Johnson is really shite at politics. Like Trump, he could, I guess, legitimately claim to be an outsider in this sense.
Also, a famous slacker, he looks knackered already. Seems he has neither the ethic no stamina for the premiership.
Also, a famous slacker, he looks knackered already. Seems he has neither the ethic no stamina for the premiership.
I think he knows it is closer to getting through than no deal. So if he wants the UK to leave the EU then that is the only game in town and he needs to do something with it. Even if he kowtows and asks for an extension and then Corbyn says right we'll have the GE on our terms now, Johnson will still have a strong hand with leavers because he can say that he was forced by parliament to extend and that law has now prevented no deal. In that situation the EU will be even less inclined to move. So May's deal will be the only option. To get it through Johnson will have to win the election with a much reduced number of Tory dissenters but enough of a majority as to not need the DUP. Then the border goes down the Irish sea and May's deal has a chance.
The Brexit party will row in behind the Tories in the GE because 1. No deal will be gone and 2. Labour, SNP Greens, LibDems and Plaid will coalesce around 2nd Ref /remain/ or softest Brexit possible. So the WA followed by a negotiation of a FTA would be the best available outcome for them.
If he’s breaking laws made by Parliament with impunity, what stops him from breaking another one and deciding against giving up power even in the event of a VONC?
If the Supreme Court can’t prosecute and drag a sitting Prime Minister away in handcuffs for breaking laws... then we have a dictatorship. Of all the people in the land the PM is the one who really shouldn’t be invulnerable to the Courts, due to the immense power he holds. The Courts are supposed to uphold the laws and by definition, keep the Executive in check.
Woe be us if they can’t do that.
I'm sure a supreme court Judge could order the arrest of the PM. Though it is complete bizarre and a sign of the times that this is a conversation that even needs to be had.
Trump has at least managed to foster a reliable base of voters who are rabidly loyal to him as an individual. Which means that, for all his unpopularity on a wider scale, he holds a significant amount of sway within his own party. He can change some of his primary views or stances and his core base will still back him.
Any popularity of Boris' is entirely vested in Brexit though...were he to abandon his push for No Deal, he'd lose votes to the BXP almost immediately. For someone so well-known and so important, he really doesn't have anything resembling a loyal base of voters loyal to him as an individual.
Trump is shite at politics but he spins it as not being part of the establishment and being there, as an outsider, to “drain the swamp”. BoJo is as part of the establishment as one can be. Etonian, Bullingdon and career politician.
Never mind premiership. He’s hardly a Championship level politician.
Obama vrs Narcissist Rematch
- Johnson claimed it would be possible to do a trade deal with the US that would cover beef without allowing American hormone-treated meat in to the UK. Talking about the opportunities available to the UK after Brexit, he said:
Leavers will send an answer on a postcard to Boris why Scottish beef is not sold to the USA and who is preventing Scottish farmers from doing so. Hint: the answer is not the EU.
More reasons to stop eating meat
times a billion.You see. This is exactly the type of detailed information we should have been given at the time of the referendum.
Yes we had all the so called project fear stuff which probably went over many peoples heads.
But, and I may well have missed it, the actual leaving process step by step including what would happen after leaving was not at all clear.
All the informatoon we really had was a total pack of lies on one side to emotive scare stories.
The proof of that is that we are still finding out basic things over 3 years down the line.
'Four days in Parliament and he looks like a concerned relative has found him drinking heavily and shouting at pigeons in a bin''
Listen to him talk he has a dreary monotone voice that could send insomniacs to sleep.
That's his usual look though.
'Four days in Parliament and he looks like a concerned relative has found him drinking heavily and shouting at pigeons in a bin''
He looks like the homeless guy on the bench outside my local church. All that he needs is a bottle of White Lightning.
'Four days in Parliament and he looks like a concerned relative has found him drinking heavily and shouting at pigeons in a bin''
'Four days in Parliament and he looks like a concerned relative has found him drinking heavily and shouting at pigeons in a bin''
Has she ever been photographed meeting Corbyn privately, off-air?
What makes you think they're meeting privately?
That's not an off-air private meeting mate, in the middle of the day with paps around, c'mon
She's telling him not to worry about being unable to get an extension, and that it happens more often than he thinks.
You should have gone with election instead of extension, it's literally one letter off the word you're insinuating.
Fail
That's not an off-air private meeting mate, in the middle of the day with paps around, c'mon
It's not broadcast, and it's not preparation for a broadcast. And it seems like no-one else is part of the conversation. That would be off-air and private.
Let's just say it doesn't surprise me that Kuenssberg wouldn't cultivate that sort of relationship with left-wing Labour figures.
Yeah but this is getting Royal assent so that means to break it you are breaking the Crown's Supreme Authority.
Jesus, so much extrapolation! Do you have more information regard this picture or something?
A general election is not a referendum on Brexit. 15% of people who plan to vote Tory in the next election see themselves as remainers. There will be a large percentage of people who will vote Labour who see themselves as Brexiteers.
The only way to sort this mess out is to have another referendum on Brexit. That is what the Remainer parties should stand on.
Are you joking? She's a journalist. I'm not her biggest fan, but come on, this is literally her job.
His type is what Harry Potter is based on. The school he went to Eaton it doesn't matter how big or small you are, how smart or dumb you are. All that matters is the amount of standing your father's father's father made by working 12 year old children to death in cloth mills or work houses and the like.
Have you listened to Brexitcast?
The journos spend most of their time having “dont quote me” chats with MPs. Its definitely not just linked to one party.