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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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I think Starmer and long-bailey are the favourites... I think long-bailey would be seen as the most closely allied to Corbyn
Thornberry looked to be a good bet but shes been out of step with cotbyn over brexit - that might actually play well for her with the membership so I wouldnt rule her out either

Rebecca Wrong-Daily is awful! Don't mind Starmer so much, comes across sensible most of the time.
 
Who do you see as next Labour leader? I think they’re suffering the same fate as the Democrats in America. As their opposition and the general political spectrum shifts right, the left suddenly seems more and more radical and as a result, they’re being decided into two distinct factions with less and less in common. The progressive left and the more moderate centrists. The centrists can’t win without the left but the left can’t ideologically compromise with the centrists.

The right doesn’t have the same issues because at the heart of everything they’re about one thing - looking after their own interests and they can generally all compromise if there is enough in it for them or failing that be compensated enough to compromise on their ideals.

Interesting analysis.

Honestly I have no idea. As a party I feel they need to shift back to the centre somewhat, and if I could hand pick somebody I'd most likely go for Yvette Cooper as I think she is excellent. However that is highly unlikely, so it will most likely be somebody on the front bench. I wouldn't mind Starmer so much, but they'll probably go for Thornberry or god forbid Burgon (The worst of the lot).
 
@esmufc07

I’ve quoted you and posed a question directly to you and you appear to have chosen to respond to someone else’s response to my post instead of directly responding to me.

I find this rude and frankly disrespectful and I think a hand written reply is the only cordial course of action from here on in.

Luke warm regards,
Pexbo
 
@esmufc07

I’ve quoted you and posed a question directly to you and you appear to have chosen to respond to someone else’s response to my post instead of directly responding to me.

I find this rude and frankly disrespectful and I think a hand written reply is the only cordial course of action from here on in.

Luke warm regards,
Pexbo

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Interesting analysis.

Honestly I have no idea. As a party I feel they need to shift back to the centre somewhat, and if I could hand pick somebody I'd most likely go for Yvette Cooper as I think she is excellent. However that is highly unlikely, so it will most likely be somebody on the front bench. I wouldn't mind Starmer so much, but they'll probably go for Thornberry or god forbid Burgon (The worst of the lot).
even I would prefer corbyn to him
 
Wasn't paying attention to this and things have ramped up considerably.

I've seen that Boris' brother has quit. In addition, he's also lost a few votes. Which ones are those?

I see also that Labour is withholding endorsing an election. He's also expelled MPs from his party because they're fighting a no deal Brexit so may not actually have a majority currently.
 
Why doesn't Boris, the largest of the Johnson's, simply eat the other Johnson's?
 
@esmufc07

Please ignore the above post, it seems I was a little hasty.

Tepid regards,
Pexbo
 
If she is strongly against Corbyn because she sees him as a brexiteer ,then maybe i would understand.

That and he’s a Marxist socialist. The Lib Dems are currently on a neoliberal trend, from the point of economic policies, and Swinson is pretty much that. Not very compatible like.

She also wants to keep the Tory rebels onboard and he’s anathema to them.
 
However he may come across, he does give a damn about what happens to ordinary people.
Look this is only my perception but that remains to be seen. If he really gave a damn about the ordinary people he would have been more passionate about stopping brexit
 
It’s more the way he comes across as a condescending school headmaster

I can see that a little I guess.

I just feel that the sticks people usually use to beat him with are a load of old easily disapproved bollocks and often quite contradictory to boot.

It's clear he's got a bunch of rich and powerful people shit scared though.
 
Tory Lite.
Not worth listening to.

Considering the chances of a Labour outright majority in the general elections seems very minimal and you’re very likely to need her and Sturgeon on side to form a coalition government... I suggest perhaps you do listen.
 
Considering the chances of a Labour outright majority in the general elections seems very minimal and you’re very likely to need her and Sturgeon on side to form a coalition government... I suggest perhaps you do listen.

Neither of them will join a coalition with Corbyn’s Labour unfortunately.
 
Neither of them will join a coalition with Corbyn’s Labour unfortunately.

Normally? 0 chance. Corbyn wouldn’t want them in his government either, they’re likely to try and block 90% of his manifesto pledges. Both of them are actually a far better match for the Tories than Labour.

But, we’re in Brexit land now and strange things can happen.
 
They may not have a choice if they want to stop no deal.

Genuinely don’t think either of them would risk their political careers like that.

Sturgeon has done an excellent job of building the SNP to be a credible, well tempered socialist party. Swinson is in charge of a party that was decimated by a disaster coalition a decade ago.

Both will want to avoid being dragged into the media circus around Corbyn and risk having their own and their parties political good will blown apart, even if that means a no deal Brexit which sadly I can imagine most opposition politicians licking their lips at if it means the Tories taking the blame and collapsing because of and giving the other parties a shot at the rebuilding process with none of the responsibilities.

Tl;dr politicians are self serving.
 
They may not have a choice if they want to stop no deal.

And he won’t have a choice either if he ever wants to be PM. Because if he fails on a second GE, while the Tories are on the ropes dude to Brexit and with his own popularity ratings rock bottom... then that’s game over for him.

Both likely to have to massively compromise. I wouldn’t put money against such a coalition seeing full term though. Sabotaging and backstabbing would begin pretty quickly after a referendum is done (all 3 support a 2nd referendum)
 
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If remain won a 2nd ref, what type of remain do you think we would be arguing over for the next 5 years?
 
Genuinely don’t think either of them would risk their political careers like that.

Sturgeon has done an excellent job of building the SNP to be a credible, well tempered socialist party. Swinson is in charge of a party that was decimated by a disaster coalition a decade ago.

Both will want to avoid being dragged into the media circus around Corbyn and risk having their own and their parties political good will blown apart, even if that means a no deal Brexit which sadly I can imagine most opposition politicians licking their lips at if it means the Tories taking the blame and collapsing because of and giving the other parties a shot at the rebuilding process with none of the responsibilities.

Tl;dr politicians are self serving.

The risk for both of them is huge though. Scotland is heavily pro EU and the only real reason Lib Dem’s are having a resurgence is because they are staunchly pro remain.

Sturgeon might be able to blame this on the Tories and use it to fuel her push for independence, but there’s no such respite for Swinson. Her raison d’etre is to stop Brexit and the voters won’t be very forgiving if she fails.
 
Look this is only my perception but that remains to be seen. If he really gave a damn about the ordinary people he would have been more passionate about stopping brexit

We are where we are. Lots of blame to go around.
Who is actually about helping ordinary people? That is what needs to be addressed. Be it Corbyn or otherwise.