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[sullydnl]

 

[WensleyMU]

Why do you think things have become unstable again? I’ll give you a clue, it begins with Br and ends in exit

The bit where Brexit wasn't even a thing between 2009 and 2016.

And Brexit being the excuse or reason for everything simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It's a cop out, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[sun_tzu]

So he is not saying anything that he hasn't said already.

Loose the vote... Deselect MP's... Smash Corbyn in pmq's have saj give away billions in the spending review then call an election vote... And all back to the bullingdon club for pimms on Friday

 

[WensleyMU]

Seems I was right earlier on; they know they don't have the numbers to block incoming legislation despite Cummings machinations. Wonder who pulled the plug on Boris appointing 100 new lords or blocking royal assent.

@golden_blunder Isn't there some sort of threadban you guys can use to stop trolls like this [wensley] messing with decent threads?

So thread ban someone with a different opinion to yourself?

 

[Untied]

I wouldn't be shocked if Boris called an election vote to outflank any no confidence motion
Call the election for 24th October and fight it on leave / remain
I think with the prorouging basically he only has to see this week out and then any no confidence motion would take place too late for an election this side of 31st
Basically it needs to be called Tuesday or Wednesday I think

starting to look more likely as the day goes on

You should really stop making these prediction posts.

 

[MadMike]

What the feck does that mean then?

Nothing. It’s just blame game for when he does head for an election and deselect his MPs. Just laying groundwork.

He will claim that he didn’t want to waste time with one but the treasonous MPs made him do it by trying to sabotage the will of the people. Then deselect them and head for a People vs Parliament election.

 

[Drifter]

Now the gauntlet as been laid down by Boris . We will see how strongly the feelings are about a no deal from these politicans, will they sacrifice their jobs or tow the line like good
careerist

 

[esmufc07]

 

[MadMike]

That it'll need to be a VONC but we knew that because he wants a GE. He just doesn't want to call it.

A VONC doesn’t lead to an election. There’s a 2 week period where different groups can try to form a GNU and win a confidence vote in the HoC. That could lead to him losing control of the levers of power and control of the timetable.

If he calls for a GE and Labour back it, he still remains in control of everything until he gets voted out. He can dissolve Parliament and dictate the time of the elections.

 

[sullydnl]

Kuenssberg mentioned the same date, October 14th.

 

[esmufc07]

A VONC doesn’t lead to an election. There’s a 2 week period where different groups can try to form a GNU and win a confidence vote. That could lead to him losing control of the levers of power and control of the timetable. If he calls for a GE he still remains in control of everything until he gets voted out.

Do you think there are numbers to be able to form a GNU?

Anyone but Corbyn I think there perhaps could be, but he's so divisive and toxic I just don't see how it is possible

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Are we sure he wouldn't advise the Queen not to give royal assent to the extension bill? It seems like something he would do.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

 

[Sweet Square]

So he is not saying anything that he hasn't said already.

Not sure what your on about. It sounded pretty different for me

 

[Peter van der Gea]

The Irish issue, it's basically because knobheads on both sides will start blowing each other up, isn't it? It's what it all boils down to.

A number of people on the remain side have said as much, that it risks a return to the troubles.

PSNI chief is in the papers today saying the same, that we must not upset the terrorists in case they decide to kick off.

Didn't Farage say or imply that if we revoke Brexit the racists would riot?

 

[golden_blunder]

The bit where Brexit wasn't even a thing between 2009 and 2016.

And Brexit being the excuse or reason for everything simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It's a cop out, nothing more, nothing less.

Incidents have ramped up since talk of a hard border - it’s silly to dismiss the border issue and those “knobhead terrorists”.

 

[golden_blunder]

Didn't Farage say or imply that if we revoke Brexit the racists would riot?

Then bring out the water cannons like every other country does and give them a good wash

 

[VP89]

I don't really get it anymore. It sounds like everyone is abiding too much in bullshit rules and not actually being pragmatic about the situation at hand. If he's so obviously finding loopholes to destroy the democratic process, surely the law makers should be more sensible and not let him do so.

It's a pile of wank.

 

[WensleyMU]

Didn't Farage say or imply that if we revoke Brexit the racists would riot?

Do you always take notice of what this chancer says?

But yes, he said something about getting his rifle.

 

[MadMike]

Do you think there are numbers to be able to form a GNU?

Anyone but Corbyn I think there perhaps could be, but he's so divisive and toxic I just don't see how it is possible

Why would Corbyn insist on leading a GNU and risk appearing to be the caricature of a power hungry Marxist the Tories paint him as? I mean unless he is just that. What’s the win for him there?

He can simply accept ******* Harman being the temporary leader, with a simple mandate to ask the EU for an extension and going to a GE immediately after that’s signed. He still gets the GE he wants and he doesn’t come across as the guy who wants to get into #10 whatever the cost without the consent of the people.

He can actually claim the moral high ground while having a puppet of his in #10 from whom he could withdraw support and bring down immediately if he wished.

 

[WensleyMU]

Incidents have ramped up since talk of a hard border - it’s silly to dismiss the border issue and those “knobhead terrorists”.

Have they? Looking back through the timeline its been fairly consistent.

Also, what if, Ireland reunites but the Loyalist terror groups start their attacks again, do we keep Ireland separate because the terrorists are at it again?

 

[golden_blunder]

Have they? Looking back through the timeline its been fairly consistent.

Also, what if, Ireland reunites but the Loyalist terror groups start their attacks again, do we keep Ireland separate because the terrorists are at it again?

You do realize loads of stuff happens that isn’t reported nationally?

Ireland won’t reunite in my lifetime

 

[WensleyMU]

You do realize loads of stuff happens that isn’t reported nationally?

Ireland won’t reunite in my lifetime

Well aware. Almost nothing is reported in the British press. Its a case of see no, hear no from outside.

And I am not saying it will, but a case of what if. My fear is that if we don't do something due to the threat of violence which didnt really go away in the first place, we set ourselves up for more problems in the future, possibly regarding a future United Ireland.

If you were a loyalist, and had seen how the mere threat of your rivals kicking off prevented Brexit, well you aren't going to go peacefully into uniting Ireland are you?

 

[sullydnl]

 

[Flying high]

Well aware. Almost nothing is reported in the British press. Its a case of see no, hear no from outside.

And I am not saying it will, but a case of what if. My fear is that if we don't do something due to the threat of violence which didnt really go away in the first place, we set ourselves up for more problems in the future, possibly regarding a future United Ireland.

If you were a loyalist, and had seen how the mere threat of your rivals kicking off prevented Brexit, well you aren't going to go peacefully into uniting Ireland are you?

That's a bit disingenuous. Ireland will only re-unify if the people vote for it.

Which obviously becomes far more likely should border checks be re-established.

 

[Peter van der Gea]

Then bring out the water cannons like every other country does and give them a good wash

Boris bought some, but we're not allowed to use them.

 

[Peter van der Gea]

Do you always take notice of what this chancer says?

But yes, he said something about getting his rifle.

So, if we no deal we get trouble and a fecked economy and if we revoke we get trouble and a decent economy. I'll go for revoke thanks

 

[Eyepopper]

Well aware. Almost nothing is reported in the British press. Its a case of see no, hear no from outside.

And I am not saying it will, but a case of what if. My fear is that if we don't do something due to the threat of violence which didnt really go away in the first place, we set ourselves up for more problems in the future, possibly regarding a future United Ireland.

If you were a loyalist, and had seen how the mere threat of your rivals kicking off prevented Brexit, well you aren't going to go peacefully into uniting Ireland are you?

You think loyalists want a return to a hard border in NI?

Also, no ones blaming everything on Brexit, its a significant factor in the NI political landscape, which is delicate at the best of times. Lump in factors like the North actually voting remain and having been devoid of the NI assembly and you start seeing a better picture of why there's so much concern.

 

[sun_tzu]

Boris bought some, but we're not allowed to use them.

I think it would require an act of parliament to authorise their use... Which if they had not been sold for a loss I could have seen him trying

 

[SteveJ]

Good grief...the most obvious shysters in political history are putting on their medicine show, and yet people are terrified of Corbyn.

 

[Dobba]

Why would Corbyn insist on leading a GNU and risk appearing to be the caricature of a power hungry Marxist the Tories paint him as? I mean unless he is just that. What’s the win for him there?

He can simply accept ******* Harman being the temporary leader, with a simple mandate to ask the EU for an extension and going to a GE immediately after that’s signed. He still gets the GE he wants and he doesn’t come across as the guy who wants to get into #10 whatever the cost without the consent of the people.

He can actually claim the moral high ground while having a puppet of his in #10 from whom he could withdraw support and bring down immediately if he wished.

Yeah, I definitely can't see Corbyn having to stand aside for some welfare bill abstaining no mark ever being used in any future election campaigning. He should definitely do it.

 

[WensleyMU]

That's a bit disingenuous. Ireland will only re-unify if the people vote for it.

Which obviously becomes far more likely should border checks be re-established.

Of course, but its highly unlikely the vote will be 100% to zero in favour, so some people are going to be very unhappy and do what they deem necessary to prevent a United Ireland.

 

[Eyepopper]

Of course, but its highly unlikely the vote will be 100% to zero in favour, so some people are going to be very unhappy and do what they deem necessary to prevent a United Ireland.

.... and in those circumstances we should just ignore them, plough on and not find a solution that goes some way satisfying them?

 

[JPRouve]

Good grief...the most obvious shysters in political history are putting on their medicine show, and yet people are terrified of Corbyn.

He is a commie, they eat babies.

 

[SteveJ]

He is a commie, they eat babies.

Fair enough.

 

[WensleyMU]

You think loyalists want a return to a hard border in NI?

Also, no ones blaming everything on Brexit, its a significant factor in the NI political landscape, which is delicate at the best of times. Lump in factors like the North actually voting remain and having been devoid of the NI assembly and you start seeing a better picture of why there's so much concern.

Nobody that I can see actually wants a hard border, it's a threat from some to try and prevent Brexit. And I am fully aware that Northern Ireland is far from stable, hence my links a page or two back.

 

[sun_tzu]

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Farage: Johnson is making an historical mistake

EPACopyright: EPA

The prime minister is making "a historical mistake", says the Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage speaking on LBC Radio.

He says Boris Johnson "wants Mrs May's withdrawal agreement, but minus the backstop".

That, Mr Farage argues, will lead to acrimony "because we will have given the whip hand in all future negotiations to Brussels".

Pretty sure the Cummings electoral maths would have involved the brexit party backing a hard brexit conservative manifesto... There is some serious bribing to do before the end of the week... Lord farage?

 

[sun_tzu]

Good grief...the most obvious shysters in political history are putting on their medicine show, and yet people are terrified of Corbyn.

I think it's more they see him as an incompetent fektard

 

[SteveJ]

Jesus, is LBC the pro-Brexit headquarters or something?

 

[SteveJ]

I think it's more they see him as an incompetent fektard

So I guess they prefer thieves then.