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[Nytram Shakes]

Who mentioned race? Most of the leavers are either stuck to the British empire times or xenophobic or were lied too/stupid

i havn't met a single leaver who i would fit into any of those categories and i live in a town that voted out.

 

[devilish]

i havn't met a single leaver who i would fit into any of those categories and i live in a town that voted out.

Most of the leaders in the leaver camp fit in perfectly.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Most of the leaders in the leaver camp fit in perfectly.

and the leaders of the remain camp where all fluffy bunny's. the leaders of our country are on the whole all disgusting. they will say do anything to win a vote.

 

[Mozza]

Who said I was a leaver or voted to leave? I hate this labelling of people and I wish everyone would ( especially on the internet) enact their right to keep their vote private and stop playing a blame game. That way it stops this posting your flag to pole and the rest are enemies. I will say this. I was shocked and upset on that Friday morning but I will keep the way I voted to myself as there is an argument on both sides ( a lot that wasn't covered on the television and I was disgusted by how the media, politicians and individuals on the internet behaved on both sides) That debate is over now.

We're now in the reality of the situation we are in and have to work towards a common goal. I am still British, I am still European, I am still a global citizen.

Didums. You post like someone who voted out, you defend the change like some who voted out. If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck its a duck.

TTIP is a vastly different deal and one that should be rejected on both sides of the Atlantic. The fact it's mandate has been kept secret from the populations of both and the way it was being forced upon people in the move towards enforced globalisation was and is wrong. The deal with the USA would be a very different creature than TTIP

And a very different deal to that we have with the EU so why champion the deal as some sort of replacement for being a member of the EU then? You're creating a fantasy future in which the sun never sets on the british empire because we're out

The working classes in the UK especially in those areas outside of the big UK cities have seen their local economies crushed, factories move away to Europe on the back of EU grants and they've seen no difference in their living standards despite who's been in power or whether the economy is doing good or bad. The NHS is fecked either way unless Corbyn somehow survives and gets into power, if he doesn't we'll see the further privatisation of it's services ( and yes a lot of it is privatised now but the companies involved are allowed to use the branding of the NHS, so when you walk into that NHS centre that was built 10 years ago, it probably should have Virgin branding all over it ) until the point of total collapse and a fully privatised service comes in.

My current big fear is the collapse of the Euro over whether the UK will prosper post Brexit.

The working classes were better protected In the EU than out, the poorest areas if the UK got most the EU money, so why vote out in exchange for a bunch of trade deals that will see them worse off?

 

[devilish]

and the leaders of the remain camp where all fluffy bunny's. the leaders of our country are on the hole all disgusting. they will say do anything to win a vote.

Of course not. Cameron is pure filth. However he's not xenophobic or stuck to the empire or stupid. He's uninformed though

 

[Mozza]

we've been steadily going the way of the US since thatcher and sped up over the last decade,

I disagree, a big reversal came when we gained the protections of being a member of the EU, now we are heading out you'll see hiw shit things become for workers

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Of course not. Cameron is pure filth. However he's not xenophobic or stuck to the empire or stupid. He's uninformed though

no cameron is a money grabing prick, you would abuse the whole country and every working class person in it, if he think it would add points to the footsie 100, does that mean everyone who voted remain feels the same? no course not.

you can't judge people on who lead the campaign, cos it which case everyone would be scum, and that isn't true

 

[Nytram Shakes]

I disagree, a big reversal came when we gained the protections of being a member of the EU, now we are heading out you'll see hiw shit things become for workers

have to disagree, things started to get better in late 90's early 00's when their wasn't such an insane lack of contracted full time work, since then its been massively down hill in how people have been treated over the last decade, with the rise of zero hour contracts, never knowing whether your gonna work next week, rise in fixed term contracts, massive rise in reshuffles..

yes we have more health and safty in the work place protections, but in reality most of the time that comes down to sign this paper saying we have told you what the rules are, then go out thier and do the job that is completely impractical to do in the way you have just agreed to do it, and if you point this out chance is you wont get any hours the next week or will be a victim in the next reshuffle.

and we have a living wage which counts for nothing if you never know whether your gonna get any hours the next week.

things are getting worse and worse, not better

 

[devilish]

no cameron is a money grabing prick, you would abuse the whole country and every working class person in it, if he think it would add points to the footsie 100, does that mean everyone who voted remain feels the same? no course not.

you can't judge people on who lead the campaign, cos it which case everyone would be scum, and that isn't true

If you think that immigration wasn't the main reason why people voted leave then I'm sorry you are deluded. People were willing not to listen to the majority of experts, forget of the generous subsidies the European union give to disadvantaged areas and even forget that the leave camp lied about many key issues (ex the nhs ) just to 'have control of borders'. Till this very day the red line remains immigration. The UK would rather suffer recession, join a sort of eaa minus were they pay but not have any say and screw the workers rights up for some trade deal with China then accepting freedom of movement.

Sorry mate but there's no beating the bush here. Xenophobia played a big part in this campaign.

I feel sorry for the brits for being mislead by their own politicians. This whole mess up started because of some Dick measuring contest between two Etonians. However as they say. A country ends up with the politicians they deserve. In my country if a politician lied about the NHS he would be lynched irrespective on whether he's goofy. And shares a pint. That's far more important than some foreigner clogging the m4

 

[Nytram Shakes]

If you think that immigration wasn't the main reason why people voted leave then I'm sorry you are deluded. People were willing not to listen to the majority of experts, forget of the generous subsidies the European union give to disadvantaged areas and even forget that the leave camp lied about many key issues (ex the nhs ) just to 'have control of borders'. Till this very day the red line remains immigration. The UK would rather suffer recession, join a sort of eaa minus were they pay but not have any say and screw the workers rights up for some trade deal with China then accepting freedom of movement.

Sorry mate but there's no beating the bush here. Xenophobia played a big part in this campaign.

I feel sorry for the brits for being mislead by their own politicians. This whole mess up started because of some Dick measuring contest between two Etonians. However as they say. A country ends up with the politicians they deserve. In my country if a politician lied about the NHS he would be lynched irrespective on whether he's goofy. And shares a pint

i never said immigration didnt play a big part, of course it did, but thier is a big diffrence between having worrys about immigration and been xenophobic.

well i dunno what country you live in it sounds a lot better then this one lol, but unfortunately politicians in this country have been lieng to win elections for decades, people have just become numb to it, and no one really listens to them anymore because they lie so much.

 

[devilish]

i never said immigration didnt play a big part, of course it did, but thier is a big diffrence between been having worrys about immigration and been xenophobic.

well i dunno what country you live in it sounds a lot better then this one lol, but unfortunately politicians in this country have been lieng to win elections for decades, people have just become numb to it, and no one really listens to them anymore because they lie so much.

If it's irrational fear which is the case then it's xenophobia. The areas that voted leave the most have negligible immigration influx as opposed to areas such as London which is a remainer.

We are a small country who suffered from load of immigration challenges since we are close to Africa. It's pretty tough since we are more overpopulated then Britain and unlike Britain we never funked any countries up or sold them weapons. However our xenophobic clowns are laughed at (check Norman lowell) rather then voted as meps

 

[Nytram Shakes]

If it's irrational fear which is the case then it's xenophobia. The areas that voted leave the most have negligible immigration influx as opposed to areas such as London which is a remainer.

We are a small country who suffered from load of immigration challenges since we are close to Africa. It's pretty tough since we are more overpopulated then Britain and unlike Britain we never funked any countries up or sold them weapons. However our xenophobic clowns are laughed at (check Norman lowell) rather then voted as meps

well i completely agree with you on our checked past, and present selling arms, i don't really see what difference that bears to someones views on immigration.

well im happy your country is so great and understanding, im sorry this one isnt, (which country do you live in if you don't mind me asking?)

i would say that london voted in becuase to be honest thier is a large demmand for cheap labour, and one of things immigration especially from eastern Europe is providing the country is endless supplies of cheap labour, if you want my personally opinion companies are massively taking advantage of alot of these people, but in general it helps the city of london keep overheads low even if it hurts parts of the population(both immigrants and working class),
and while you say other areas are marginally effected, the effect is far more noticeable in areas with less jobs so it doesn't take such large immigration to effect the population, its supply and demand, so like anything if their is a massive amount of something on the market prices drop, so if the supply of workers is a lot greater then the demmand the amount of jobs available, then the contracts of offer are going get worse, and effect that is far more notable in certain areas of the uk.

but i'm glad your country has got it all worked out unfortunately we don't in this country and it a far more complicated situation then saying all vote leave are xenophoibic empire lovers.

 

[Tyrion]

http://www.politico.eu/article/fina...ion-eu-relationship-london-financial-capital/

Good article on the likely fallout from Brexit. It asks questions of plenty of relevant people (business leaders, economists and politicians) and was made after the vote so it isn't 'scaremongering'. Only a third actually think the whole of the UK will leave (as opposed to Scotland staying or the UK having associate membership) and most agree London will still be the financial capital of Europe in the future (though it's lead might narrow a little) but most predict the EU will survive and the UK to go into recession (at least for a while).

 

[Kentonio]

i never said immigration didnt play a big part, of course it did, but thier is a big diffrence between having worrys about immigration and been xenophobic.

Not really. The studies into immigration pretty much unanimously showed that immigration makes the host country better off, that immigrants aren't able to claim most of the benefits the tabloid rags lied about (and wouldn't want to anyway, as they came here to work), and arent overly represented in any crime statistics. About the only area left is to complain about the local provision of services being over-extended, which is something that could have been resolved by adding funding instead of the government strip mining social services, education and the NHS. But no, people were happy to not bother voting in the general election (or voted Tory) but suddenly decided the best solution to their largely imaginary immigration issues was to radically change the country and do massive harm to themselves and the rest of us in a stupid and almost inevitably unsuccessful attempt to try and kick them out. If they actually did leave, we'd then see a shitload of factories and warehouses closing too, because the same people whining about a lack of jobs don't actually want those jobs.

Wow, I just realized that weeks later I'm still as disgusted and furious at Leave voters as I was when it happened..

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Not really. The studies into immigration pretty much unanimously showed that immigration makes the host country better off, that immigrants aren't able to claim most of the benefits the tabloid rags lied about (and wouldn't want to anyway, as they came here to work), and arent overly represented in any crime statistics. About the only area left is to complain about the local provision of services being over-extended, which is something that could have been resolved by adding funding instead of the government strip mining social services, education and the NHS. But no, people were happy to not bother voting in the general election (or voted Tory) but suddenly decided the best solution to their largely imaginary immigration issues was to radically change the country and do massive harm to themselves and the rest of us in a stupid and almost inevitably unsuccessful attempt to try and kick them out. If they actually did leave, we'd then see a shitload of factories and warehouses closing too, because the same people whining about a lack of jobs don't actually want those jobs.

Wow, I just realized that weeks later I'm still as disgusted and furious at Leave voters as I was when it happened..

the problem is it doesn't always make people better off, it makes business and rich people better off cos they have cheap labour and more consumers, but it can effect indviduals who have more competition for job and worse contracts when you do get a job.

hense why on the whole rich people voted in and poor voted out.

you also have to remember only 35% of voters voted tory in the ast election, the way the first past the post system workes in this country is that getting your voice heard in a general election is really hard, especially when both the conservative and labour parties have been fairly similar since new labour. so saying they should of voted in the election is that simple.

and why i agree with you on the hole about the govermnet needed to step in and add funding to our industries, the population itself has to take the blame as well, we all want things cheaper quicker faster, we all shop online we don't priortise by home grown products if it cheaper to buy from a sweat shop abroad, we normally call strikers nuisance rarther then standing with them them for worker rights. `

you can also add the issues with infrastructure to the mess, we need more infrastructure like roads houses, schools, trains..... but either we don't build them which makes people shout or we do build them and people shout about cost or location of environment....

basically from top to bottom we have been fecking up our country for a very long time, and trying to do somthing about one issue leads to a massive long list of other issues, but this is the first time an issue has been placed on the table people can vote on and basically it became a vote about immigration, and the reamain camp did not once anywhere address it at all they just basically said its better for the whole ecconmy so suck it up if its effecting your indvidual life, and people didnt like that.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

http://www.politico.eu/article/fina...ion-eu-relationship-london-financial-capital/

Good article on the likely fallout from Brexit. It asks questions of plenty of relevant people (business leaders, economists and politicians) and was made after the vote so it isn't 'scaremongering'. Only a third actually think the whole of the UK will leave (as opposed to Scotland staying or the UK having associate membership) and most agree London will still be the financial capital of Europe in the future (though it's lead might narrow a little) but most predict the EU will survive and the UK to go into recession (at least for a while).

It isn't that good given that all of stated participants are highly likely to have some pro EU bias.

 

[Tyrion]

It isn't that good given that all of stated participants are highly likely to have some pro EU bias.

Most of them seem to be economists. Besides, most of the people who could be considered experts were always pro-EU. The main voices against it were always the minority or just didn't know what they were talking about (not to say I do btw).

There's a few quotes from impartial people if that's any better:

Without the ease of access to markets across EU borders, many financial firms would have to form subsidiaries elsewhere; Chinese businessman Wang Jianlin warned that “many Chinese companies would consider moving their European headquarters” out of Britain altogether.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has warned that Brexit makes Britain “less attractive,”

US President Barack Obama indicated that Brexit would put Britain “at the back of the queue.

http://hir.harvard.edu/commonwealth-alone-brexit-future-european-union/

Asked about the comparisons on trade, Trudeau told Reuters: “There’s nothing easy or automatic about that, so I think there’s a bit of an oversimplification of the story happening there.”

He echoed the claims of the US president, Barack Obama, that the UK would have a stronger voice in the world as part of the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/19/brexit-canada-urges-britain-stay-eu-justin-trudeau

I don't know of anyone internationally that said Brexit would help. They either stayed on the fence and said nothing would change or advised against it.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

@Tyrion

I voted remain to avoid the economic pain we will face. It just isn't worth it IMO. The article from that survey I didn't find helpful after reading some of the stated participants included people that work for the EU. It would have been interesting to see who said what though.

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055



"Mr Fox, a prominent Brexit campaigner, said numerous non-EU countries had already asked Britain for a trade deal and he was "scoping about a dozen... to be ready for when we leave".

It comes amid reports he is preparing to fly to the United States next week for talks.

In April, President Barack Obama warned the UK it would go to the "back of the queue" for trade deals with the US if it voted to leave the EU.

Following the referendum, he said the UK's decision to leave raised "longer-term concerns about global growth".

Mr Fox told the Sunday Times: "We've already had a number of countries saying, 'We'd love to do a trade deal with the world's fifth biggest economy without having to deal with the other 27 members of the EU.'"

It looks very promisingly as though the Brexiteers might have been right about the whole trade deals issue.

 

[Mozza]

the problem is it doesn't always make people better off, it makes business and rich people better off cos they have cheap labour and more consumers, but it can effect indviduals who have more competition for job and worse contracts when you do get a job.

hense why on the whole rich people voted in and poor voted out.

Is that true? Most Tories voted out and most Tories are rich so I dont buy your hypothesis

 

[Mozza]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055



"Mr Fox, a prominent Brexit campaigner, said numerous non-EU countries had already asked Britain for a trade deal and he was "scoping about a dozen... to be ready for when we leave".

It comes amid reports he is preparing to fly to the United States next week for talks.

In April, President Barack Obama warned the UK it would go to the "back of the queue" for trade deals with the US if it voted to leave the EU.

Following the referendum, he said the UK's decision to leave raised "longer-term concerns about global growth".

Mr Fox told the Sunday Times: "We've already had a number of countries saying, 'We'd love to do a trade deal with the world's fifth biggest economy without having to deal with the other 27 members of the EU.'"

It looks very promisingly as though the Brexiteers might have been right about the whole trade deals issue.

More like he's polishing a turd

Leavers will buy it, they belived wed be spending £350 million more on the NHS every week

 

[devilish]

well i completely agree with you on our checked past, and present selling arms, i don't really see what difference that bears to someones views on immigration.

The opinion of people who come from former colonies who had made it like I do is that they can't understand why they should receive/accept an unlimited flow of refugees/asylum seekers when they aren't the one who ruined their nation, causing the wars and arming their dictators. You would expect that those who had benefited of it would be happy to also take care of the consequences of their actions rather then expect others to do that on their behalf.

well im happy your country is so great and understanding, im sorry this one isnt, (which country do you live in if you don't mind me asking?)

I currently live in London for a non British company. Its a small company TBH but it employs 600 people from all over the world (Brits are the biggest group). I had a (small) say in terms of were to open next and I was among those who believed that London was the best place to invest. I am feeling bad now especially considering how the situation had changed radically and considering that this is a small company which invested alot to make it work here.

i would say that london voted in becuase to be honest thier is a large demmand for cheap labour, and one of things immigration especially from eastern Europe is providing the country is endless supplies of cheap labour, if you want my personally opinion companies are massively taking advantage of alot of these people, but in general it helps the city of london keep overheads low even if it hurts parts of the population(both immigrants and working class),
and while you say other areas are marginally effected, the effect is far more noticeable in areas with less jobs so it doesn't take such large immigration to effect the population, its supply and demand, so like anything if their is a massive amount of something on the market prices drop, so if the supply of workers is a lot greater then the demmand the amount of jobs available, then the contracts of offer are going get worse, and effect that is far more notable in certain areas of the uk.
but i'm glad your country has got it all worked out unfortunately we don't in this country and it a far more complicated situation then saying all vote leave are xenophoibic empire lovers.

I think that the world need to revise racism/xenophobia terms because in reality things are more complex then that. For example there is a difference between a person who feels totally superior on another because he comes from X Race/Group and absolutely want Y Race/Group killed and someone whose irrationally terrified of people from different race/group and dont want to be 'overwhelmed' by them. Xenophobia is more of the latter and is similar to any phobia ie a problem which needs to be confronted rather then full blown hatred. Now what do you do with someone who suffers from lets say social phobia? You help him understand that his phobia is irrational and you reintroduce him to the outside to show him that there is nothing to fear. You don't burn him inside his house (that's what the politically correct people would want to do to xenophobics) or go on telling him that there's an entire army of ghouls waiting for him to rip him apart (that's what Ukip and a big chunk of the leaver camp did).

London is a remainer not because it benefits from cheap labour. Actually if that's the case then the leavers would have won hands down there because no one likes to compete with cheap labour. London was a remainer because they had constant contact with EU people and they saw, first hand, that they aren't terrible as all. They aren't here to steal your jobs, take your benefits or clog the M4. They actually work hard, sometimes more that the locals do.

Malta suffered and still suffers of xenophobia same as Britain does. However we got responsible politicians that despite their flaws doesn't fuel it for their aim. If they do then be assured that the media would be at their throats calling them names and bringing forward facts to ridicule them. Also clowns like Boris and Farage tend not to be accepted in mainstream politicians and would end up as independent with jam packed mass meetings prior to a general elections (were they are laughed at) only to end up with a handful of votes soon afterwards. If a Maltese politician wants a fast track one way route from politician to janitors then they only have to say ridiculous comments/shows as Boris/Farage did which end up humiliating Malta around the world

 

[devilish]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055



"Mr Fox, a prominent Brexit campaigner, said numerous non-EU countries had already asked Britain for a trade deal and he was "scoping about a dozen... to be ready for when we leave".

It comes amid reports he is preparing to fly to the United States next week for talks.

In April, President Barack Obama warned the UK it would go to the "back of the queue" for trade deals with the US if it voted to leave the EU.

Following the referendum, he said the UK's decision to leave raised "longer-term concerns about global growth".

Mr Fox told the Sunday Times: "We've already had a number of countries saying, 'We'd love to do a trade deal with the world's fifth biggest economy without having to deal with the other 27 members of the EU.'"

It looks very promisingly as though the Brexiteers might have been right about the whole trade deals issue.

I am sure that its true.

Having said that the devil is in the detail and you have to see if the trade deals in question will ultimately be beneficial to the UK. For example Switzerland signed a trade deal with China a while ago. The latter had immediate unrestricted access to the Swiss markets while the Swiss will have to wait sometimes 15 years to access the Chinese market in certain industries. Its difficult to seal an advantageous trade deal when you're small and desperate

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Is that true? Most Tories voted out and most Tories are rich so I dont buy your hypothesis

look at the map of the country, poor areas voted out richer areas voted in

 

[Stanley Road]

Wow, I just realized that weeks later I'm still as disgusted and furious at Leave voters as I was when it happened..

You need to channel your fury at something else. I cant imagine it being much fun if you're furious all the time. How has your world changed in the last few weeks?

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

I am sure that its true.

Having said that the devil is in the detail and you have to see if the trade deals in question will ultimately be beneficial to the UK. For example Switzerland signed a trade deal with China a while ago. The latter had immediate unrestricted access to the Swiss markets while the Swiss will have to wait sometimes 15 years to access the Chinese market in certain industries. Its difficult to seal an advantageous trade deal when you're small and desperate

It looks like the countries outside the EU don't see it that way at all. They seem to have been stymied by the way the EU negotiates and look ready to talk trade for mutual benefit with a willing equal. Rather than having to meet the demands of 28 counties many with very different ideas about what a good trade deal with them is.

We will see but I'm more optimistic now than I was before.

 

[Stanley Road]

look at the map of the country, poor areas voted out richer areas voted in

So what you are saying is that there aren't enough rich people in the uk to achieve 50+% of the vote? That makes sense and exposes the inequality in the uk. In England alone was it not 67% that voted leave?

 

[Nytram Shakes]

So what you are saying is that there aren't enough rich people in the uk to achieve 50+% of the vote? That makes sense and exposes the inequality in the uk. In England alone was it not 67% that voted leave?

its a very very loose generalisation, butin genral poorer people voted out and richer people voted thierare excpetion to do with age, location....so like everthing its more complicated.
but on the hole if you are on the dole or a zero hour contract low paid job....the chances are you voted out, and if your on a higher paid job chances are you voted in.

 

[Tyrion]

It looks like the countries outside the EU don't see it that way at all. They seem to have been stymied by the way the EU negotiates and look ready to talk trade for mutual benefit with a willing equal. Rather than having to meet the demands of 28 counties many with very different ideas about what a good trade deal with them is.

We will see but I'm more optimistic now than I was before.

The countries outside the EU were almost unanimous in wanting the UK to stay in. I don't doubt Britain will carry on being a very rich and powerful country outside of the EU but the fact that Britain's allies were all either pro-Remain or neutral was pretty clearly proven before the referendum.

 

[Mozza]

look at the map of the country, poor areas voted out richer areas voted in

I don't think many Mail readers are poor and I suspect most voted out do I need more before I accept your correct. I know some traditional Labour areas voted out, but thats not true of all Labour areas

 

[Mozza]

its a very very loose generalisation, butin genral poorer people voted out and richer people voted thierare excpetion to do with age, location....so like everthing its more complicated.
but on the hole if you are on the dole or a zero hour contract low paid job....the chances are you voted out, and if your on a higher paid job chances are you voted in.

I suspect it was more middle class voting in and pensioners and working poor voting out

 

[sullydnl]

I don't think many Mail readers are poor and I suspect most voted out do I need more before I accept your correct. I know some traditional Labour areas voted out, but thats not true of all Labour areas

Nope, pretty sure he's right. The vote to leave was strongest in areas with lower education and higher levels of working class/non working voters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...e-results-compare-to-the-uks-educated-old-an/

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

The countries outside the EU were almost unanimous in wanting the UK to stay in. I don't doubt Britain will carry on being a very rich and powerful country outside of the EU but the fact that Britain's allies were all either pro-Remain or neutral was pretty clearly proven before the referendum.

That does not equate to it being the right choice for the people of the UK to stay in though. Their view seems to have lasted about a week in any case.

 

[Jippy]

I don't think many Mail readers are poor and I suspect most voted out do I need more before I accept your correct. I know some traditional Labour areas voted out, but thats not true of all Labour areas

Broadly true that the DM has a majority of wealthier readers but it still has a lot -4.9m- of poorer ones too. It must be that etiquette columnist they have. He's funny.

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/mail-uks-most-read-newspaper-brand-under-35s-favour-sun/

 

[Mozza]

Broadly true that the DM has a majority of wealthier readers but it still has a lot -4.9m- of poorer ones too. It must be that etiquette columnist they have. He's funny.

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/mail-uks-most-read-newspaper-brand-under-35s-favour-sun/

The gossip section, side bar of shame on the website

 

[Nytram Shakes]

The opinion of people who come from former colonies who had made it like I do is that they can't understand why they should receive/accept an unlimited flow of refugees/asylum seekers when they aren't the one who ruined their nation, causing the wars and arming their dictators. You would expect that those who had benefited of it would be happy to also take care of the consequences of their actions rather then expect others to do that on their behalf.

again you assuming most people in the country are in favour of selling arms to dictators. which is mass genralisation, and utter bollax, selling weapons to dictators, is to do with currupt business men wanting money, and corrup politicians letting them, not people who are worried about immigration.

I currently live in London for a non British company. Its a small company TBH but it employs 600 people from all over the world (Brits are the biggest group). I had a (small) say in terms of were to open next and I was among those who believed that London was the best place to invest. I am feeling bad now especially considering how the situation had changed radically and considering that this is a small company which invested alot to make it work here.

all the best with your business really hope it works out.

I think that the world need to revise racism/xenophobia terms because in reality things are more complex then that. For example there is a difference between a person who feels totally superior on another because he comes from X Race/Group and absolutely want Y Race/Group killed and someone whose irrationally terrified of people from different race/group and dont want to be 'overwhelmed' by them. Xenophobia is more of the latter and is similar to any phobia ie a problem which needs to be confronted rather then full blown hatred. Now what do you do with someone who suffers from lets say social phobia? You help him understand that his phobia is irrational and you reintroduce him to the outside to show him that there is nothing to fear. You don't burn him inside his house (that's what the politically correct people would want to do to xenophobics) or go on telling him that there's an entire army of ghouls waiting for him to rip him apart (that's what Ukip and a big chunk of the leaver camp did).

i think their is lot off difference your describing to what most people, think which is immigration i causing too much competition for jobs contract standards and increasing stress on the infrastructure of the country.
yes you get some horrible racist scum, who the media plaster all over the tv cos it makes the best headlines, but you walk around and talk to be and that kind of person is very very few and far between, certainly not 52% of the population

London is a remainer not because it benefits from cheap labour. Actually if that's the case then the leavers would have won hands down there because no one likes to compete with cheap labour. London was a remainer because they had constant contact with EU people and they saw, first hand, that they aren't terrible as all. They aren't here to steal your jobs, take your benefits or clog the M4. They actually work hard, sometimes more that the locals do.

companies love cheap labour and felxibale labour, why do you think zero hour contracts have become so popular, it one of the reason immigration is so good for the ecconmy, becuase you lower wage overheads it increases profit and lowers prices. and london is seeing the benifits of this as it has massive amounts of money pouring into it, as well as a cheap labour force to support it and keep prices low. but as you arnt going to get people who have come here just for a job been agaisnt immigration, and your not gonna get people who are beinifiting from the situation either directly as helping thier company, or keeping the prices low in the service industries., of course it isn't as straight forward as that, like every thing in this issue its far more complicated then that, u address one issue and you find 5 more, but it isnt as straight forward as if you have concerns about immigration your xenophobic

and completely agree lots of immigrants work hard, some don't some do, like english people you get hard workers and you get lazy gits, thats just people no matter where there from.

Malta suffered and still suffers of xenophobia same as Britain does. However we got responsible politicians that despite their flaws doesn't fuel it for their aim. If they do then be assured that the media would be at their throats calling them names and bringing forward facts to ridicule them. Also clowns like Boris and Farage tend not to be accepted in mainstream politicians and would end up as independent with jam packed mass meetings prior to a general elections (were they are laughed at) only to end up with a handful of votes soon afterwards. If a Maltese politician wants a fast track one way route from politician to janitors then they only have to say ridiculous comments/shows as Boris/Farage did which end up humiliating Malta around the world

again very sorry Britain isn't as great as malta, i would love it if people like farage and borris where allowed no way near politics, but then id also like it if people like cameron who is it it for the career in politics rather then making the country better no way near politics. but its a hard and a mess, i lived in brighton tried to be part of the labour party in 2010 to make a difference and they have no intrest in helping people, that was the election where calroine lucas won who apparently represents the green party, yet i was helping at event where she got chauffeured car from gatwick down to the event to get photoed on a bike talk about the importance of cycling and puplic transport..... and everyone acts like she is one of the good ones.
i wish their was an easy answer to why we have so many corrupt politicians, but truth is their all disgusting, so yeah i agree our politicians are disgusting, i wish it was as great as malta.

 

[Mozza]

Nope, pretty sure he's right. The vote to leave was strongest in areas with lower education and higher levels of working class/non working voters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...e-results-compare-to-the-uks-educated-old-an/

I know that, but the other rump of support were wealthy pensioners/older people. They are essentially unaffected by migration (actualy helped by migration as the migrants make their lives cheaper) and largely protected by the Tories from the austerity of the past 6 years

 

[Nytram Shakes]

I don't think many Mail readers are poor and I suspect most voted out do I need more before I accept your correct. I know some traditional Labour areas voted out, but thats not true of all Labour areas

I suspect it was more middle class voting in and pensioners and working poor voting out

again it's a loose gernailsation nothing is ever as simple as that, but on the whole how much you earn is a very good base to guess how some one voted.

with pensioners things get complicated, why did so many people who voted to join the EU 40 years go vote against it now?
the way it was explained it to me is, look at the changes that have happened since the original referendum where people voted to join the 'common market' not the EU, where talking about a world where the Berlin Wall was still up, where the idea of the EU becoming what is today wasn't even a dream, now weather everything the EU has become since is good or bad isn't really the point, we've got a lot of pensioners who just feel lied to becuase this wasnt what they agreed to and havn't been consulted on it.
its like anything if someone does something in your name without consulting you, it gets on your nerves, and you add that up year after year and you get alot of resentment to the EU.

again i'm overly simplifying a massively complex issue, but in general alot of people who voted to join feel lied to about what they agreed to and are upset and so voted to leave.....

 

[devilish]

again you assuming most people in the country are in favour of selling arms to dictators. which is mass genralisation, and utter bollax, selling weapons to dictaors, is to do with currupt buiness men wanting moeny, and corrup polititions letting them, not people who are worried about immigration.

No one assumes that. There again, if a country had/has become prosperous from it then you assume that they will be willing to open more to the consequences which lead to their prosperity. That's the problem most big countries have. They think that they can act like self righteous pricks without asking themselves of what had or is actually putting the food on the table. The weapon industry and colonization is what made many countries great. These countries cant just cant close an eye to that and expect others to foot the bill for the misery your country caused.

I am not referring to just the UK of course. Many countries have a share of that blame including those within the EU. Some haven't been in the EU in the first place. If it was for me I would ship all Afghani and Iraqi refugees right to the US, preferably in a place very close to George W Bush mansion.

all the best with your business really hope it works out.

I hope we do. The company will probably survive if things go wrong here. However its undeniable that it would take the hit. The organization spent millions in setting this whole place out and make it work. They did so thinking we're doing that in the financial capital in the world, not some island between two continent.

i think their is lot off difference your describing to what most people, think which is immigration i causing too much competition for jobs contract standards and increasing stress on the infrastructure of the country.
yes you get some horrible racist scum, who the media plaster all over the tv cos it makes the best headlines, but you walk around and talk to be and that kind of person is very very few and far between, certainly not 52% of the population

Once again its all about irrational fear to immigration, which tends to affect most those who ironically have little contact with immigrants in the first place. Its natural for people who do not understand shite about economy, globalization etc to act that way. That's why politicians and the media should be there to inform them. What failed the UK were these two crucial pillars of democracy. Democracy fails badly when people's irrational fears are fueled by politicians rather then confronted and when the media is simply to crap to inform. I am not a violent man but I wouldn't protest too much if the queen had to reintroduce the hanged, drawn and quartered punishment for those who were responsible of this mess. To think that all this shite was caused by some Ukip busy body (Ukip are the laziest MEPs in Brussels) and some blonde buffoon who entered into a dick measuring context with the other Etonian buffoon, that makes me furious. There's millions of lives at stake here. How can they be so irresponsible?

companies love cheap labour and felxibale labour, why do you think zero hour contracts have become so popular, it one of the reason immigration is so good for the ecconmy, becuase you lower wage overheads it increases profit and lowers prices. and london is seeing the benifits of this as it has massive amounts of money pouring into it, as well as a cheap labour force to support it and keep prices low. but as you arnt going to get people who have come here just for a job been agaisnt immigration, and your not gonna get people who are beinifiting from the situation either directly as helping thier company, or keeping the prices low in the service industries., of course it isn't as straight forward as that, like every thing in this issue its far more complicated then that, u address one issue and you find 5 more, but it isnt as straight forward as if you have concerns about immigration your xenophobic

The Londoners are not all CEOs and directors. Actually very few are. Most of us are common plebs with the difference that we tend to have more expenses then the Northerners. In matter of fact I wouldn't mind moving North if I find a decent job there. The rent in London is bloody ridiculous.

Londoners wanted to remain in the EU not because they are better or richer then you guys. They wanted to remain because they know that there's nothing to be scared off about immigrants. We work with them everyday. We know that most are here temporarely and will leave once they get the necessary experience (actually they are paying taxes that they will barely benefit off in the first place) and above all we know that they don't bite.

and completely agree lots of immigrants work hard, some don't some do, like english people you get hard workers and you get lazy gits, thats just people no matter where there from.

I reckon that immigrants tend to be more hardworking then locals (including in Malta its not just in Britain). Most move countries to work and they dont have the experience to milk the system. I have been in the UK for 4 years and I can barely understand how the NHS work. If I am sick or I need some treatment I arrange by myself (wifey is a doc) or go to Malta.

again very sorry Britain isn't as great as malta, i would love it if people like farage and borris where allowed no way near politics, but then id also like it if people like cameron who is it it for the career in politics rather then making the country better no way near politics. but its a hard and a mess, i lived in brighton tried to be part of the labour party in 2010 to make a difference and they have no intrest in helping people, that was the election where calroine lucas won who apparently represents the green party, yet i was helping at event where she got chauffeured car from gatwick down to the event to get photoed on a bike talk about the importance of cycling and puplic transport..... and everyone acts like she is one of the good ones.
i wish their was an easy answer to why we have so many corrupt politicians, but truth is their all disgusting, so yeah i agree our politicians are disgusting, i wish it was as great as malta.

Its not about being better. We have our share of problems including our innate love in being noisy (hence why I left the islands, ps before someone criticize me on that even Lord Byron noticed that and he's right in his assessment apart from the smells) and lack of manners. For me its not about Malta being better but simply about Britain not being as great as I was thought by my family to be. We were raised up to look up to you guys. Its such a let down. You deserve better politicians that these sort of crap. You had produced better politicians then Farage, Boris and Cameron in the first place[/quote]

 

[Jippy]

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