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[Smores]

I suppose we can consider that they've not all come out of today's meeting bickering a qualified success.

I wonder how much of Lib Dems moaning is hoping for a concession so they can then claim alignment with Labour and go into a formal pact at the GE. There's little doubt with Farage saying they'll pact with the Tories that a Lab-Lib pact is necessary. I was reading Lab would benefit to roughly 100 seats and the Lib Dems 40, which to them is a substantial gain.

 

[Smores]

If they can get control of the order paper and pass a motion they can compel the pm to ask for an extension to A50
That said they can't compel him to ask nicely or prevent him adding conditions he knows would be unacceptable
Nor of course can they make the EU accept any extension

I think they'll put a specific date this time. Hammonds lot have 'apparently' been back channeling to get an informally agreed date with the EU.

I suppose maybe Boris could throw a spanner in and add some condition to it.

 

[Sweet Square]

The first mock quote makes no sense. Work on it. Secondly, it's a quote from Plaid Cymru who are not Liberals. Thirdly, Corbyn seems to also be against no-deal but apparently not enough to suspend his ambitions for premiership till the GE. The Guardian article is an opinion piece from a single column writer and, if you read it, you'd see it's criticising Lib Dems as well for their stance.

But yeah, damn Liberals. They ruined Britain.

They have although that isn't what I said

Liberals have lost their minds.

Also you can be a liberal without being in the Lib Dems.

 

[horsechoker]

If they can get control of the order paper and pass a motion they can compel the pm to ask for an extension to A50
That said they can't compel him to ask nicely or prevent him adding conditions he knows would be unacceptable
Nor of course can they make the EU accept any extension

Macron was firmly against a long extension and if he's consistent he'll be against another one, not to mention the possibility of other leaders changing their minds.

 

[MadMike]

They have although that isn't what I said

Also you can be a liberal without being in the Lib Dems.

You can. But neither is.

On the first sentence...

 

[Maticmaker]

If they can get control of the order paper and pass a motion they can compel the pm to ask for an extension to A50
That said they can't compel him to ask nicely or prevent him adding conditions he knows would be unacceptable
Nor of course can they make the EU accept any extension

This another example of how weak and spineless some of our politicians are, this kind of gerrymandering means nothing and accomplishes nothing as you say Boris will have the last word, but I guess it makes some opposition as well as Tory Remainers feel good about themselves.
The only way to stop Boris is a vote of no confidence in his Government and all MPs should vote according to their conscience and then take their chances in a GE (assuming the No confidence vote is passed and the Government falls). However as Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, many, a great many MPs, will not take the chance of a) being deselected or b) then losing out in a Leave v Remain election that will follow, a number of careers are on the line, only the ones already planning on taking retirement at the next GE, will feel happy. Even the Labour candidates (mainly in the North) who usually don't count their vote they just weight it, will be getting an attack of the 'squeaky bums'

 

[Drifter]

As putrid as the Leave campaign was and is, the ultra-Remain base is equally stomach-churning.

That is so cringe worthy

 

[Buster15]

What can this little coalition actually do to stop no deal Brexit, short of vote of no confidence before late October?

They said they will prioritise legislation but what legislation can they put through other than revoke article 50?

As I see it, they have a couple of options.
They can try to force a further extension to the leave date beyond end October.
Or they could try to force a second referendum as a counter to no deal.
Neither would be popular or even certain of success.
At the moment, all we are seeking is posturing. Or more correctly time wasting; just more running down the clock with almost zero chance of a meaningful outcome.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

As putrid as the Leave campaign was and is, the ultra-Remain base is equally stomach-churning.

Got to give them credit for seamlessly putting Boris in as Thanos, that was quite uncanny!

 

[Jippy]

As putrid as the Leave campaign was and is, the ultra-Remain base is equally stomach-churning.

I like it that they've put Larry in there.

 

[MadMike]

Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

Johnson to ask Queen to prorogue

 

[Sigma]

As putrid as the Leave campaign was and is, the ultra-Remain base is equally stomach-churning.

That's hilarious

 

[Virgil]

Does not surprise me that Boris is seeking to prorogue parliament and at a personal level I am glad events seem to be coming to a head. This daft idea of seeking another extension to A50 is ridiculous. It is about time our politicians decided in or out and stopped playing politics. 3 years plus in messing about and paralysing government has itself been extremely detrimental to the country.

 

[Maticmaker]

Does not surprise me that Boris is seeking to prorogue parliament and at a personal level I am glad events seem to be coming to a head. This daft idea of seeking another extension to A50 is ridiculous. It is about time our politicians decided in or out and stopped playing politics. 3 years plus in messing about and paralysing government has itself been extremely detrimental to the country.

I think you are right, our politicians as a group have proved themselves stunningly incapable. First passing motions to approve Brexit (including A50) by massive majorities claiming they were doing the will of the people, then spending three and half year contradicting and counteracting these approvals, claiming it wasn't the will of the people after all and in the process holding the mother of parliaments up to ridicule. Once article 50 was enacted they handed the initiative to the EU and the country, both remain and leave voters alike have suffered. One thing the long suffering public may get out of all this is that finally we may get a written Constitution … problem is, who will write it?

 

[nickm]

I think you are right, our politicians as a group have proved themselves stunningly incapable. First passing motions to approve Brexit (including A50) by massive majorities claiming they were doing the will of the people, then spending three and half year contradicting and counteracting these approvals, claiming it wasn't the will of the people after all and in the process holding the mother of parliaments up to ridicule. Once article 50 was enacted they handed the initiative to the EU and the country, both remain and leave voters alike have suffered. One thing the long suffering public may get out of all this is that finally we may get a written Constitution … problem is, who will write it?

You should blame May for not negotiating a deal that could not get parliamentary support. This idea the WA + backstop was the only possible solution was her judgement, not everyone's.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Great to see the Liberal Democrats propping up the Conservatives once again!

 

[MadMike]

I think you are right, our politicians as a group have proved themselves stunningly incapable. First passing motions to approve Brexit (including A50) by massive majorities claiming they were doing the will of the people, then spending three and half year contradicting and counteracting these approvals, claiming it wasn't the will of the people after all and in the process holding the mother of parliaments up to ridicule. Once article 50 was enacted they handed the initiative to the EU and the country, both remain and leave voters alike have suffered. One thing the long suffering public may get out of all this is that finally we may get a written Constitution … problem is, who will write it?

Reminder that ERG Brexiteers blocked (via their votes) Brexit as much as Remainers, because it wasn't hard Brexit enough for them. Without any more of a moral standing on this, since all along they were claiming a deal would get done and would be on favourable terms to the UK. Which obviously proved to be fantasy.

 

[devilish]

So basically a no deal Brexit is inevitable at this point

 

[Red Dreams]

Great to see the Liberal Democrats propping up the Conservatives once again!

Tory Lite

 

[B20]

I don't mean to get apocalyptic, but genuinely think we are watching the end times of the post WWII world order. The fuxkwittery, egotism and corruption being displayed by world leaders is unprecedented in the past 75 years

 

[MadMike]

Great to see the Liberal Democrats propping up the Conservatives once again!

Departed from reality, I see?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

So basically a no deal Brexit is inevitable at this point

Hasn't it been inevitable since the beginning of this farce?

 

[Adisa]

So basically a no deal Brexit is inevitable at this point

Yes.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Departed from reality, I see?

Not at all, you? The LD's should have worked with Labour as requested.

 

[Adisa]

How low do we reckon the £ will sink?

 

[nickm]

One thing the long suffering public may get out of all this is that finally we may get a written Constitution … problem is, who will write it?

The Scots, when they leave the UK. They'll get one. Possibly Northern Ireland, when it joins Eire. That's a few million people who'll get a sense of the rules. Can't see how rumpEngland won't need some kind of constitutional reform once all this is over. It's shown up how flimsy our sense of our democracy is.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

How low do we reckon the £ will sink?

Rees-Mogg hopes it will go below parity.

 

[devilish]

Yes.

I hope the British won't take it at heart when they blame it on the EU only for it to shrug it off. I mean no gives a feck of what non members think. The best option at this point would be for the EU to push for the meanest and harshest of all no deal Brexits. If the British economy goes tits up then the weak Tory government will topple and the moderates would take over.

 

[MadMike]

Not at all, you? The LD's should have worked with Labour as requested.

I didn't realise not supporting a Labour scheme that was anyway doomed to fail (since it requires Tory MPs, who wouldn't sign up to it) is "propping up the Conservatives". Good one.

Here's another one: Corbyn incapability is propping up the Tories. Ergo, Labour are propping up Tories. Actually more realistic than your statement.

 

[Infra-red]

I hope the British won't take it at heart when they blame it on the EU only for it to shrug it off. I mean no gives a feck of what non members think. The best option at this point would be for the EU to push for the meanest and harshest of all no deal Brexits. If the British economy goes tits up then the weak Tory government will topple and the moderates would take over.

The Johnson government are already pushing for that themselves.

 

[Maticmaker]

So basically a no deal Brexit is inevitable at this point

It always was, once A50 was extended and not revoked!

Our opposition politicians are still talking about 'mischief' in the House with the order papers to try to get; maybe a revocation of A50? Force a vote of confidence in the Government? Plead for a second referendum? No... its to force yet another extension, it beggars belief!

President Macron must be thinking he can't get rid of the mad English soon enough!

 

[Hammerfell]

I hate this country.

 

[Virgil]

Hasn't it been inevitable since the beginning of this farce?

You really think so? Personally I reckon in the end we will remain in the EU. I know folks talk about the Brexiteer elite but they do not hold a candle to the Remainer elite who of course (tongue in cheek) only have altruistic motives. No matter who is right between us what we perhaps can both probably agree on is that the concept of democracy in the UK will be well and truly dead in the foreseeable future. Politicians got away with the expenses scandal but this one will catch out the whole den of thieves whoever comes out on top. And stay or go our relationship with the rest of Europe will take more than a generation to repair.

 

[devilish]

The Johnson government are already pushing for that themselves.

Nah they are hoping that once the UK is out then the EU will co-operate by fast tracking goods in/out of the UK etc. I am referring to a complete dragging off the feet sort of thing. The EU should use every trick at its disposal to bring the UK's economy to crash and for its people to turn against the government.

 

[B20]

Nah they are hoping that once the UK is out then the EU will co-operate by fast tracking goods in/out of the UK etc. I am referring to a complete dragging off the feet sort of thing. The EU should use every trick at its disposal to bring the UK's economy to crash and for its people to turn against the government.

Again, Boris is already pushing for that by wanting to retain the 33b owed.

 

[devilish]

Again, Boris is already pushing for that by wanting to retain the 33b owed.

Those 33b were never going to be given in cash. It would have been given in settlements from now till kingdom come. If the EU decide to frustrate the UK in every way (ie changing rules making it difficult for companies to adapt, tough hard borders which will increase shortages of medicine, food etc, not allowing UK planes to fly over europe etc) then the economy will go in tilt. Soon enough the weak Tory government will have no choice but to call a GE which it will lose. Then more moderate people will have no choice but to beg the EU for a deal

 

[B20]

Those 33b were never going to be given in cash. It would have been given in settlements from now till kingdom come. If the EU decide to frustrate the UK in every way (ie changing rules making it difficult for companies to adapt, tough hard borders which will increase shortages of medicine, food etc, not allowing UK planes to fly over europe etc) then the economy will go in tilt. Soon enough the weak Tory government will have no choice but to call a GE which it will lose. Then more moderate people will have no choice but to beg the EU for a deal

That is what the EU have already said that they will do if the UK withhold the debt

 

[Maticmaker]

push for the meanest and harshest of all no deal Brexits

According to Boris that's what they are doing now!

I wonder if the 'Booze Cruise' syndrome will apply in reverse after Brexit, will lots of EU citizens come over to the UK to gorge themselves on all the cheap imports that zero tariffs will bring...all for personal use of course!

 

[T00lsh3d]

Nah they are hoping that once the UK is out then the EU will co-operate by fast tracking goods in/out of the UK etc. I am referring to a complete dragging off the feet sort of thing. The EU should use every trick at its disposal to bring the UK's economy to crash and for its people to turn against the government.

I don’t think an horrendous brexit is on the EU’s mind at all. You can’t have a massive economic crash in the UK without hefty reverberations in Europe. Given that the global economy is slowing down as it is, I’m sure the EU would much prefer an orderly brexit. If only we could get our shit together and give them one

 

[Fluctuation0161]

I didn't realise not supporting a Labour scheme that was anyway doomed to fail (since it requires Tory MPs, who wouldn't sign up to it) is "propping up the Conservatives". Good one.

Here's another one: Corbyn incapability is propping up the Tories. Ergo, Labour are propping up Tories. Actually more realistic than your statement.

Funny how the Liberals decided that taking on the Tory government was "doomed to fail". But propping up the Tory government was fine from 2010. Classic Liberal Democrats.