If people aren't allowed to vote in the first 18 years of their lives, it's reasonable to legislate that people aren't allowed to vote in the last 18 years of their lives.
Otherwise it should be considered ageism.
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If people aren't allowed to vote in the first 18 years of their lives, it's reasonable to legislate that people aren't allowed to vote in the last 18 years of their lives.
Otherwise it should be considered ageism.
The UK voting in these elections are completely pointless, they'll be out before anything meaningful happens in the EU parliament.
Why would anyone vote for Tories or Labour in the elections anyway?
Why would anyone vote for Tories or Labour in the elections anyway?
Gives us the chance to protest vote away from the usual bellends. Just concerned it gives Farage a boost.
Gives us the chance to protest vote away from the usual bellends. Just concerned it gives Farage a boost.
Farage is lapping it up. Problem is there's not one decent politician in the rest of the parties.
Over 70s voting in the referendum was completely pointless. They'll be long long dead before they would see any possible benefits.
It isn’t even getting started.Yeah, those over-60 Brits are famously loaded.
This agenda-led pitting of generations against each other must end.
The reason the over 70s say they voted which I've heard numerous times was that they were doing it for their grandchildren. I'm sure their grandchildren will be eternally thankful.
On the other hand everyone could give the real reason they voted Brexit, which would make a nice change.
Made even funnier when they reveal that they didn't actually talk to their grand children about Brexit.
“Old people voted to return Britain to the country it was when they were young - tatty, racist and out of date.”
Labour now polling at 6% in Scotland and on course to finish in 6th place up here. Utterly dire from them.
Tories not doing much better on 7%.
For what it's worth I imagine these figures are slightly underestimating both parties, but if they're both even 5% higher, still embarrassing.
Tories not doing much better on 7%.
For what it's worth I imagine these figures are slightly underestimating both parties, but if they're both even 5% higher, still embarrassing.
Scotland's full of old people innit. Bastards.
2014 results for comparison:
SNP 29% (2 seats)
Labour 26% (2)
Tories 17% (1)
UKIP 10% (1)
Greens 8% (0)
LDs 7% (0)
So quite a big leap for UKIP/Brexit, but the dive in Tory support about makes up for it.
Will be interesting to see what happens with the big two leadership wise if the current projections turn out to be correct. Davidson's tenure has largely been one of general improvement for the party, but this would be a complete embarrassment and she'll be worried if Boris takes over considering she's on the opposite wing of the party. Granted, it won't stop her from placating him at every turn for the most part, but still, could make for some inner party politics.
Leonard is basically there and there's not much that can be said for him at all, but a terrible result might force the hands of those in the party who don't like him and who want change. However badly they've already done in Scotland 6% is utterly chronic and fairly indicative of the leadership - both in Scotland and beyond - I'd say.
Rise of the Greens has been interesting considering they only ever tend to be a factor in Holyrood - they've even managed to get an endorsement from the Sunday Mail which is quite remarkable considering (again) they've pretty much been a non-factor till now in UK-wide votes.
As a side-note UKIP-wise: yer man from the Nazi pug video is standing for him, and is 4th on the list. Considering how his party are polling, unlikely he'll be off to Brussels.
Not to mention Change UK's main candidate is now voting Lib Dem! Fun times.
Will be interesting to see what happens with the big two leadership wise if the current projections turn out to be correct. Davidson's tenure has largely been one of general improvement for the party, but this would be a complete embarrassment and she'll be worried if Boris takes over considering she's on the opposite wing of the party. Granted, it won't stop her from placating him at every turn for the most part, but still, could make for some inner party politics.
Leonard is basically there and there's not much that can be said for him at all, but a terrible result might force the hands of those in the party who don't like him and who want change. However badly they've already done in Scotland 6% is utterly chronic and fairly indicative of the leadership - both in Scotland and beyond - I'd say.
Rise of the Greens has been interesting considering they only ever tend to be a factor in Holyrood - they've even managed to get an endorsement from the Sunday Mail which is quite remarkable considering (again) they've pretty much been a non-factor till now in UK-wide votes.
As a side-note UKIP-wise: yer man from the Nazi pug video is standing for him, and is 4th on the list. Considering how his party are polling, unlikely he'll be off to Brussels.
Not to mention Change UK's main candidate is now voting Lib Dem! Fun times.
The 5% for Change in the UK wide one is a little baffling.
The 5% for Change in the UK wide one is a little baffling.
The poll does seem a bit off in all fairness - Tories will get decimated, but 9% seems a little too low for me.
Count Dankula is standing in this election?!?!. I thought that was a joke.Will be interesting to see what happens with the big two leadership wise if the current projections turn out to be correct. Davidson's tenure has largely been one of general improvement for the party, but this would be a complete embarrassment and she'll be worried if Boris takes over considering she's on the opposite wing of the party. Granted, it won't stop her from placating him at every turn for the most part, but still, could make for some inner party politics.
Leonard is basically there and there's not much that can be said for him at all, but a terrible result might force the hands of those in the party who don't like him and who want change. However badly they've already done in Scotland 6% is utterly chronic and fairly indicative of the leadership - both in Scotland and beyond - I'd say.
Rise of the Greens has been interesting considering they only ever tend to be a factor in Holyrood - they've even managed to get an endorsement from the Sunday Mail which is quite remarkable considering (again) they've pretty much been a non-factor till now in UK-wide votes.
As a side-note UKIP-wise: yer man from the Nazi pug video is standing for him, and is 4th on the list. Considering how his party are polling, unlikely he'll be off to Brussels.
Not to mention Change UK's main candidate is now voting Lib Dem! Fun times.
Wonder what his policies are
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Count Dankula is standing in this election?!?!. I thought that was a joke.
Wonder what his policies are
As I said he's UKIP's 4th in the list up here...so you and I have as good a chance as he does as getting elected. Which is quite funny considering how much he likes to big himself up as some sort of important political voice.
Although you're right in the sense of saying we're a great example of what not to do and I personally think we're being idiotic in leaving I don't agree that we're populist to the extent of some other countries (yet). May is actually pretty old-school conservative and Farage hasn't real say although he wants it. We're no where near Trump politics yet although if Boris gets in he will definitely try to play that game.
My worry if I were the EU would be that this is happening here in a country that seems fairly liberal, at least amongst the people i know and where i live. If the EU takes your advice and thinks that it's better off without us and just to move on without trying to work out why it happened then it might well happen in other "populist, but not really" countries over a few years.
How many people here actually try and do anything about this shit?
I do. Probably to no effect for the most part, but I’ve spoken to 10-20 old people in the past year (I know. It’s fcuk all) and tried to get them across the fact that they’ve been lied to, and actually know nothing about the country, Europe and the current set up of the Conservative party.
At least half are beyond turning. Many actually appreciate being challenged though.
Does anyone else ever try to engage the misled?
For what it’s worth, I support everyone’s stance, but the moment I realise it’s got foundations in quick sand I try to do something.
I do. Probably to no effect for the most part, but I’ve spoken to 10-20 old people in the past year (I know. It’s fcuk all) and tried to get them across the fact that they’ve been lied to, and actually know nothing about the country, Europe and the current set up of the Conservative party.
At least half are beyond turning. Many actually appreciate being challenged though.
Does anyone else ever try to engage the misled?
For what it’s worth, I support everyone’s stance, but the moment I realise it’s got foundations in quick sand I try to do something.
I'm happy to chat with people about it but I live in an overwhelmingly Remain-leaning part of the country where even most older adults I know view Brexit as absolute stupidity - in fact, many even more so, since plenty of the older adults I know tend not to want any interruption to the status quo at all.
I've spoken to some people. But when there's disagreement in what is regarded as fact, there's no point. The last person I spoke to said Immigrants have overwhelmed our services. This was someone I used to think was pretty rational, informed and balanced. I mean, he owns a business that deals in security technology for high-end clients and I used to work for him. When I told him the vast majority of immigrants into this country are from outside the EU he wouldn't believe. When I told him that number would vastly increase to keep our economy afloat, he thought I was taking the piss.
I have a lot of time for political activists. They must put up with some shit.
Most older people by me have seen the EU develop into what it is today and they’re just not interested in the opinion of some snot nosed kid telling them they’re a racist so they just switch off
I find people break down into those that are prepared to listen as well as talk, and those that aren't. The latter aren't generally worth bothering with, whichever side they're on.
Vote to be poorer for only 30 years!
A bit ironic considering they are the ones mainly responsible for the status quo.
Conversely people are not allowed to vote under 18 because they don't have enough life experience to Understand the issues and make a judgement... So perhaps over 60's votes should count double?If people aren't allowed to vote in the first 18 years of their lives, it's reasonable to legislate that people aren't allowed to vote in the last 18 years of their lives.
Otherwise it should be considered ageism.
The real difference comes in the turnout % of the elder generations... Perhaps this issue will engage a large % of the younger anti brexit vote... Long term probably that would be a good thing
Having experience and remembering it are two very different things though
The main issue is you have to have a cut off that still allows representation from pensioners otherwise their rights and benefits would quickly disappear. I think 75 onwards you'd have a hard time justifying a vote.
Having experience and remembering it are two very different things though
The main issue is you have to have a cut off that still allows representation from pensioners otherwise their rights and benefits would quickly disappear. I think 75 onwards you'd have a hard time justifying a vote.
Whats more is that they have experience of a world that has changed drastically since they were really immersed in it. A lot of older people have a very warped view of the world today.
It's astonishing how many 60+ year old people live in almost exclusively British white suburbia and countryside villages yet have this view that the country is over run by immigrants because that's what they constantly read every day and despite the fact that they probably bump into an actual immigrant a few times a year.
Then you have people that live in diverse multicultural cities who don't even think twice about it, it's just normal life and we're all in the same shitty economic environment together.
Wow. That is profound.
So. Taking your generalisation, the UK is not going to feel the benefits of leaving the EU, assuming that there will ever be any such benefits, they will not be felt for about 15 to 20 years.
Again. Taking your views, not only the over 70's should have been prevented from voting but also those with incurable illnesses.
And maybe those who might get an incurable illness.
You see now what a stupid idea you have.
I don't have the figures to hand but I suspect a reasonable % of the house of lords who are tasked with scrutinising and revising legistlation are over 75 so good luck with justifying that as an arbitrary cut off dateHaving experience and remembering it are two very different things though
The main issue is you have to have a cut off that still allows representation from pensioners otherwise their rights and benefits would quickly disappear. I think 75 onwards you'd have a hard time justifying a vote.
I was being bombastic. But yes, even the most hardcore Brexiteers have now admitted that there is no tangible benefit in the short term and any potential benefits are a lot of years off.
The Brexit vote isn’t based on logic, it’s based on emotions.
Now that I completely agree with.
Just an ordinary day wondering where to arbitrarily start withdrawing the franchise from people.
Yeah I'm not sure how any of the metrics on that graph relate to the ability to Apply Life experience in order to form an opinion though
I mean spacial awareness...let's be honest as long as they can tick the right box...what does it matter
Inductive reasoning... Unless manifestos are going to be released as puzzles then again how is that relaxant
Verbal memory and ability don't seem to have any relation to putting a mark in a box
Numeric ability isn't tested in voting
And speed of perception... Well last I knew it's not like you are only given the manifesto info in the booth and have to analyse it all there.
It's a nice graph but clearly it's pointless in this context
We aren't talking ticking boxes we are talking the ability to reach an informed decision.
If life experience is important to this then so feasibly is age related mental decline.
Far be it for me to wonder why all the Brexit party members seem to be of a certain age...
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It may be... None of the metrics in that graph relate to that aspect of cognitive function though... Hence it's irrelavance to the point it was raised in respect of
I don't agree at all. Inductive reasoning is about drawing conclusions based on little evidence. Verbal memory is about remembering words and other abstractions. Numeric reasoning is about understanding basic maths, perceptual speed is about comparing stuff accurately. All these characteristics seem pretty important to making a good quality decision.