I mean, you have to laugh. Don't you?
I know I am. This thread throws up a lot of humour from the institutionalized.
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I know I am. This thread throws up a lot of humour from the institutionalized.
Just goes to show what the arch idiot Osbourne knew then.
He was the architect of Austerity.
He told everyone that he was going to balance the books by 2018.
Then his replacement Hammond did his famous spreadsheet and realised that was completely impossible and promptly kicked that promise into touch.
Osborne's proposed emergency budget was to deal with the fallout from Brexit, the "£30bn hole in it will leave in our finances" as he called it. Not the fallout from the referendum result. I still understand the same reading back his statements.
At the time of the referendum result, nothing long term would obviously happen. As the government had the legal option to completely disregard it too, if it wanted. At huge political cost admittedly.
He mostly did though. We went from 9.3% deficit in 2010 when he took over to 1.9 in 2017
He did it more by harsh austerity rather than growth, but he largely did it.
Source: ONS
So I keep seeing, but haven't seen the so called lies and corruption explained
With the money we pay the EU, it would be available for other things. However, it is down to an established government to make those decisions.
Gove, johnson etc were just suggesting that the money could be used elsewhere. The NHS could certainly do with some of it.
Has Mark Francois not yet grasped the concept that he can p!ss off any time he likes.
@vidic blood & sand I'll ask again as you ignored it a few times yesterday
What was the brexit plan for the Irish border at the time of the vote?
What was the brexit plan for the Irish border at the time of the vote?
He's just a living parody of the hard Brexiteer. He's not any more harmful then the next hard Brexiteer, but at least he's at least funny.
Random MPs have no authority to dictate where funds go. Everyone knows that. Can't you understand that is was simply a way of explaining the payments to the EU can be used elsewhere.
Most leavers understood that compromise would be required to obtain a free trade arrangement, otherwise there would be no need for EU membership at all.
This is a future possibility, but even at the time it was debated. Hardly a lie.
We never were able to test the waters with the EU, because parliament and the media were so against leaving, and gaining a deal became paramount. The EU could just sit back and watch the country implode from within.
Can this finally be over on Friday get the UK out with no deal enough is enough now.
Today, on Groundhog Day.......
Leading up to the referendum?
No one was saying that leaving the EU would be free of complexities, but the objective was to first get the right result, then deal with the entanglements.
I'm sure this has been explained to others on here before but the UK does not “send” £350m a week to Brussels. The rebate won by Thatcher in 1984 is deducted first. This reduces our net weekly payment to around £250m. When EU spending in Britain is included – on agriculture subsidies, research and grants to poorer regions – the UK net payment comes down to about £160m a week. The government has proposed a labyrinth of post-Brexit customs and legal institutions which would swallow up some of the savings so it remains unclear just how much if any would ever have been available to go to the NHS.
Act first, think later! Except they still haven't got round to the think part.
The only people that (by and large) ever seem to advocate a no deal are people whom a no deal would not affect to any great degree.
A massive issue we have with the electorate is that it consists of millions of (formerly) working class people that have witnessed their personal wealth and assets increase throughout their adult life. The mistake they’ve made is believing that it was down to their own hard work and not circumstance and the wider economic growth.
It’s why the North of England voted to leave. It’s jam packed with largely successful people with their own trades and businesses. My dad is a perfect example. Comes from nothing, total grafter, earns very well on the railways and thinks we should just gerronwivit and take any economic issues on the chin. But he won’t be affected by economic problems. He’s flush.
I can sympathise with this delusion, to a certain extent. The poor people that vote for this, however. Well, they’ll be the first to blame the system when the Tories continue to decimate their existence in the coming years.
A massive issue we have with the electorate is that it consists of millions of (formerly) working class people that have witnessed their personal wealth and assets increase throughout their adult life. The mistake they’ve made is believing that it was down to their own hard work and not circumstance and the wider economic growth.
It’s why the North of England voted to leave. It’s jam packed with largely successful people with their own trades and businesses. My dad is a perfect example. Comes from nothing, total grafter, earns very well on the railways and thinks we should just gerronwivit and take any economic issues on the chin. But he won’t be affected by economic problems. He’s flush.
I can sympathise with this delusion, to a certain extent. The poor people that vote for this, however. Well, they’ll be the first to blame the system when the Tories continue to decimate their existence in the coming years.
Okay so we agree then, there was no plan
If it's essential to have a free trade arrangement and stay in the CU and other stuff MPs are insisting on, the EU can just sit back and watch the clusterfeck and demand what they like.
The government didn't have the stomach for a no deal, and the EU knew it. A tougher stance would have seen the EU cave in.
You need to realize that much of the money that get send into the EU comes back in many ways like poorer regions like Wales gets more money than they give to help these regions develop economically amongst others. Also participating in shared programs like Euratom keeps the development costs of nuclear energy down as the development cost is shared with members rather than each country has to fully fund developing the same research. That the United Kingdom just sends a massive bag of money to Brussels is a big misunderstanding on how the economic system works between the EU and a individual country.
The accurate way to describe it would be being a member allows you to make more money within the EU s your trading terms is better when your a full member compared to a non member. The better the trading terms you have the easier it is to compete for businesses on either quality and quantity or price levels on the product you sell whether it is a service or goods like cars. If you leave the EU then your trading terms will worsen a lot and that means what you sell or buy will get more expensive both ways depending on the exact arrangements or trade agreements. The United Kingdom will lose business to other countries ( like the Nissan plant in Sunderland ) as a hard brexit would mean a lot of businesses there would not longer being able to compete on non member terms within the single market and thus losing money rather than acquiring more money in general.
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Cave in to what, exactly?
No it wouldn't though - because no matter how tough a stance we'd have taken, the EU would've been aware we still didn't have the stomach for a no deal Brexit because it is literal self-destruction. Why do people continue to peddle nonsensical tripe like this?
That's what i was going to say.
Funny to see Brexiter MPs throwing their toys out of the pram regarding MEPs despite the fact that they voted down the withdrawal agreement.
What do mean by tougher stance as well as caving in? There was only ever one WA and the FTA comes after not before the UK leaves.
The modern day "lost cause".
The EU doesn't want 'no deal' as much as the pro EU MPs. Do you seriously think this isn't the case?
I've had this impression for a long time that none of them really want to leave, because they are so scared of what the consequences will be and be blamed for.
God our MPs are unbearable, Europeans must pretty much hate us by this point.
I'm sure that ship sailed quite a while ago. We are an embarrassing mess.
As someone said the other day, this is surely the greatest peacetime humiliation in this country's history.
Oh the irony.
You'd honestly think the referendum result was a fecking 40% difference or something.
Nutcases, the fecking lot of them.
Is Brexit more embarrassing than Suez was?
I can't think of another comparable post-War humiliation.
At least had the excuse of an imperial hangover for that.
Mark Francois was in the Territorial Army for 6 years in the 1980s, but talks as if he was a full-time regular officer for most of his career.
‘The gammons’, this is precisely it. You all seem to think you’re all intellectually superior just because you have a different political opinion. It’s actually embarrassing.