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The EU being punitive?
Hopefully that's the end of the DUP's little power grab. May (I think) confirming that the current withdrawal arrangements will/cannot be renegotiated with EU - apart from a much softer Brexit (which everybody with any sense knew) and looking for Labour's support to get over the line with DUP sitting voting no but no longer having the numbers to make a difference (assuming Labour gets on board). At least that is my understanding.
I guess the next question is will DUP/ERG attempt to bring down the government if May accepts a customs union?
The EU needs to stop messing around and show the UK that enough is enough and in ten days show them the door and no extension, how long does this farce have to continue for.
In theory not provided ni is treated the same as the rest of the UK... More tellingly though will the next conservative leader accept a customs union?
How? The EU/ Ireland would have no authority over NI customs or border arrangements in the event of a 'no deal' Brexit.
Maybe I'm just gullible as feck, but I just can't see us leaving with no deal.
I expect someone to collapse and call a 2nd ref or just revoke it if we get too close to leaving without a deal.
I expect someone to collapse and call a 2nd ref or just revoke it if we get too close to leaving without a deal.
Will there be any cabinet resignations tonight?
Not sure ... Possibly a mass pro brexit walkout tomorrow before pmq's?
I guess by saying Brexit must take place before the EU elections, May is implicitly saying a second referendum is one option she will not countenance. So the question is what elements of a softer Brexit is she willing to incorporate in her deal?
They’ve been doing that for the last few weeks.
Any time there’s anything worth debating they always leave the house.
She knows it's no deal. This is all just about apportioning some of the blame for the inevitable chaos to Labour, to ensure the Tories don't get wiped out in the post-Brexit General Election.
I meant multiple cabinet resignations
Thankfully there is little chance of the EU being that stupid.
It will be a race between Corbyn and may to brief against the others red lines as soon as any meeting ends (perhaps she will invite chukka to make Corbyn flounce out again?)
Corbyn will have a price for agreeing to the process, I'm sure. Probably a General Election later this year, once the WA is passed.
I don't get it. She's going to ask for a short extension on her WA being passed? So the one we've already been offered?
Tusk already hinting he wants to agree a further extension based on May's speech.
Of course! The EU will also be forced to refuse this short extension because they have already explicitly said that the extension to 22 May is contingent on the WA being passed.
The PM can then blame Labour's intransigence and the big bad EU for the mess that follows.
When push came to shove, she was always going to put party ahead of country.
Which is a shame I am still in no mans land because of Brexit will have to pay money to live and work further in Germany after 28 years of doing that and I am sick, tired and fed up of this whole farce, maybe its time that little Britain gets a kick up the arse that it appears to need.
No I don't think the EU are being punitive, I said posts suggesting they should be just because it's dragged on. It's everyone else who is affected, not just the tories.
For example, posts like this
it's a withdrawal agreement
She's asking for an extension past 12 April, even if the WA has not passed. That hasn't been offered by the EU - indeed they ruled it out as an option.
If the EU now grant this new extension, then we go past the point of no return. No further extensions would be possible, even if both we and the EU wanted it, because it would be too late for us to put forward candidates for the EU elections (thereby potentially de-legitimising the entire election). It would therefore be her deal or no deal.
However, despite Tusk's tweet, I can't see the EU agreeing to it. She probably doesn't expect them to, either. But this whole plan does mean that Labour's fingerprints will be all over the Brexit mess and she can also blame the EU for turning her extension proposal down. In other words, she's trying to save the Tories!
Try being affected by Brexit, not knowing where you stand and you would feel like that as well, personally they should revoke Article 50 but they wont so how about they finally sort this out.
But the whole problem is caused by the UK and the EU just want to get on with life, whatever happens it's all down to the UK. The EU haven't and will not punish the UK but they can't carry on like this forever - all the UK have to do is agree on something that is sensible and possible. Nothing so far is and that includes the amendments proposed because there's always something impossible attached to them.
I don't get the logic of "sharing responsibility with Labour" at all. Labour are already responsible. The government have been particularly useless but I'd be amazed if the majority of folks didn't already think Labour played a big part in getting us to where we are.
I'm a Brit in the EU and I'd prefer to not crash out.
You really soured.
Sorry.
I am got post on Friday from the local foreigners office with forms that I need to fill out and get filled out to get an Aufenthaltserlaubnis to continue to live and work in Germany despite the fact that I have now lived and worked in Germany for over 28 years, had a permanent residence which I got in 1992 and which was changed to not running out in 1996, this fell by the wayside due to the EU and now I will probably have to pay over one hundred Euros for the card that I can continue to live and work here.
You Torybots are genuinely shameless.
Then you know how it is I am just fed up with it all, fed up it will cost me money etc.etc. to continue living here.
You mean you don't want to return to the promised land? The land full of milk, honey and WTO trade regulations?
Every single MP in the HoC is responsible for this.
I'd rather go through this if it means everything goes back to normal than be forced to make serious decisions. You're at the mercy of national governments and maybe it will be maybe it won't but the safety net will no longer be there
There’s levels of responsibility though, and the Tory right are at the very top of that list.