For sure they are but trying to pretend Labour aren't at all responsible is pathetic.
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For sure they are but trying to pretend Labour aren't at all responsible is pathetic.
I'd say May's far more responsible than the right (if you mean ERG). She chose to court them for party management reasons, rather than the good of the country. She'll be justifiably remembered as the worst post-war PM.
it's hard to explain how amusing it is that people like you can be so wrong and not even realise it. The idea that someone can be a Labour voter and yet criticise them in this way is genuinely beyond the realms of possibility in your mind. All I can tell you is repeatedly misunderstanding people's core motivations and beliefs based on a single point of contention will only cause you harm in the long run.The way things are going, there’s going to more than a few MPs that will be extremely lucky to still have jobs, on all sides of the house, come the next election.
They have been an absolute embarrassment.
They have been an absolute embarrassment.
She has been clueless from start to finish, she has been bullied from all sides and in doing so has failed utterly.
How many MPs would have to resign the conservative whip before the dup and all the conservatives was no longer a majority?
She is and has always been on the right of the Tory party. Not as extreme as the likes of JRM but still hard right.
The logic of sharing responsibly with Labour is perfectly obvious.
If it is successful then TM will take credit for it.
But if it is not successful then she will have shifted the blame fairly and squarely on Jeremy Corbyn and Labour and Labour will have no way out.
It is posturing with one eye on the next GE.
Yup, party before country, just like all politicians.
It’s a tough call what he should do though. If he just tells her to feck off then she can blame him as well. Only logical option seems to be to agree to talks and then walk away blaming her for being utterly unwilling to compromise in talks.
Your frustration is understandable. I find unnerving that the first ones that will have to feel the consequences of the referendum counts a lot of people that didn't ask for it. It started with foreigners being abused during the first weeks following the referendum and now it's the british and EU citizens living abroad.
I don't think he'll engage with it at all.
UK so close to deciding what they want. EU must surely be convinced.
So... are you out yet?
This is exactly what he'll do.
They're waiting to be pushed.
I think for PR reasons he will have to show some sort of willing. Even if he later walks away saying the offer was made in bad faith and May wasn't willing to compromise.
Possibly... He could say there is no need for talks... There is a process in the house and if may gives her cabinet a free vote they can find a majority amongst all parties for an option and blame her for its failure so far... Problem is they might agree no brexit or a referendum which Corbyn seems to want to avoid
Wow. That was impressive. Seven hours of Cabinet meeting and the stunning conclusion is precisely what many have been calling for for months; for the Tories to try to seek a common approach with the opposition.
Brilliant idea eh. Wish I had thought of that...
Corbin says he’s ‘very happy’ to meet her. Sure Jezza, I bet you’re ecstatic..
4 days after the UK should have left.
However, what do you seriously expect to come out of it.
Yes, yes - for appearance's sake he'll take a meeting, but this is a rather obvious trap that I don't see Labour falling for.
So the sum total of your hardship is £100 and it’s partly the EU’s fault, or am I missing something?
He is a no win situation though. He cannot say no and if he doesn't agree with TM then again it will be him who will be blamed.
At least we might get to see how clever he really is. Or should I say how devious he really is.
You are definitely missing a great deal. His peace of mind and life?
Fair enough but he can stay for £100?
I don't think the money is the point really. Moreover he couldn't even vote. His future being decided by some xenophobic numpties would rile me up too.
Getting rid of this current government is in the best interests of the country
The EU has changed over time. It's clear UK wants the old style and to cherry pick the current one. Freedom of Movement seems to have been a big issue in case you hadn't noticed.
Also there's been talks about a EU army now the UK is leaving.
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Fair enough, perhaps I was being insensitive, sorry.
I still reckon Cameron will probably go down as the worst overall. Those who already disapproved of his economics will view him as a fairly destructive figure who created the conditions for Brexit in the first place by driving people into poverty through needless austerity, and any arguments he did it for the good of the economy have basically been covered by an ocean of piss in the last few years.
May's undoubtedly horrendous, and made the mistake of basically going full-on, Lee Cattermole hard Brexit the moment she stepped into office when she knew it was never achievable, but she was probably always fecked irrespective of what path she took, even if her stubbornness has damned her to a far greater extent than was necessary.
Overall I can see her being remembered as a weird oddity, someone whose entire premiership was dominated by an issue over which she had little control, maybe a bit like Eden in that regard - albeit without the gravitas he'd perhaps built up beforehand.
I think there's a solid argument that while she was viewed as one of the government's more competent and experienced main figures before taking over, that her spell as Home Secretary was worse than her time as PM. Someone who spent years scapegoating migrants and blaming them for the country's ills while failing to even approach her targets to reduce immigration, and also someone who largely established the political conditions which preceded Windrush.
I wish that I had not become so cynical....
There are two outcomes.
One would be for a genuine common purpose to be established and a compromise that both parties would be prepared to vote for in order to put country before party. Something you call a Unicorn.
The other would be effectively the inverse with the primary objective being to lay all the blame for failing on Labour.
What is your view my friend.
I know a lot of people who are extremely worried about their future, health care, pensions and all the rest.
Thats quite true you dont have a clue how its all going to pan out and what will happen and what will be needed and as for the money fine its only a 100€ but its the principle in 1996 I got an unbefristeten Aufenthaltserlaubnis for EWG states which means that its permanent then because of the changes in the EU where one wasnt needed until Brexit now I can pay again why is how I look at it
you dont have a clue how its all going to pan out and what will happen and what will be needed and as for the money fine its only a 100€ but its the principle in 1996 I got an unbefristeten Aufenthaltserlaubnis for EWG states which means that its permanent then because of the changes in the EU where one wasnt needed until Brexit now I can pay again why? is how I look at it and yes due to changes you could say that the EU do have a little to do with it but the main portion is the UK.
I just think it's an attempt at delay and laying more blame on Corbyn.
I'm trying to think of something they will come up with together which is actually possible and actually helps the situation and I can't think what it could be.
Only worry I have is my UK pension for 14 years I paid in, in Germany I have been part of the German pension and health schemes since I started working here.
It's not clear at all.