Freedom of movement being maintained will cause unrest in England. It's all a bit of a pickle.
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Quite. We have a choice of which violent people we want to make angry.
Doesn't sound like much of a choice. fecking SNP can't gave a convo without linking everyting to the Tories. Glad Andrew Neil is calling out that hawk-nosed bullshitter.
A, pausing only to remind the Leave voters once again that what they did was completely irresponsible. If there's any mechanism to avoid us leaving the EU, and losing Scotland in the process then I'd take it right now.
Oh and if you're worried about Democracy, perhaps remind yourself that we're all parliamentary democracy not a direct democracy.
Of course the best solution would just be for Remain parties to win a snap general election.
Oh and if you're worried about Democracy, perhaps remind yourself that we're all parliamentary democracy not a direct democracy.
Of course the best solution would just be for Remain parties to win a snap general election.
I see. So being in a parliamentary democracy makes "if you vote for X you get X, if you vote for Y we'll do X anyway" okay? Hmmm, 'tis a peculiar form of democracy that.
I'm still dismayed at the result. I suppose in theory, a couple of percent the other way and I'd feel fine, but in practice there is a huge gap between the country I would find myself in, as to the one I do.
I'm unfortunate enough to find myself emotionally bound to this place. Be it the United Kingdom, as present, England, Wales and Northern Ireland, or worse. I was born in Rotherham, one of the most racist, homophobic parts of our country. Spent the first ten years of my life there. I then moved to the Black Country, which was not noticeably different, I spent thirteen years there. It was in the Black Country that I became of voting age and every time I voted I had to take in to account the very real threat of the BNP vote. I found that horrible. I couldn't just make my vote as I saw fit, I really didn't want to vote Labour, given the things they'd done, but it was either voting for them, the Tories, or the fecking BNP, so I felt I had to vote for Labour just to hurt the BNP vote share.
I feel this is my fight. I'd feel too much guilty if I ran away. I've spent too long around racists (I mean 'real racists' not those who worry a bit about immigration) to let them win without giving everything I have.
I'm unfortunate enough to find myself emotionally bound to this place. Be it the United Kingdom, as present, England, Wales and Northern Ireland, or worse. I was born in Rotherham, one of the most racist, homophobic parts of our country. Spent the first ten years of my life there. I then moved to the Black Country, which was not noticeably different, I spent thirteen years there. It was in the Black Country that I became of voting age and every time I voted I had to take in to account the very real threat of the BNP vote. I found that horrible. I couldn't just make my vote as I saw fit, I really didn't want to vote Labour, given the things they'd done, but it was either voting for them, the Tories, or the fecking BNP, so I felt I had to vote for Labour just to hurt the BNP vote share.
I feel this is my fight. I'd feel too much guilty if I ran away. I've spent too long around racists (I mean 'real racists' not those who worry a bit about immigration) to let them win without giving everything I have.
B for 3 reasons:
1. The politicians who pushed for a Leave vote will actually have to go through with it or end the very careers they were trying to benefit by pushing the vote. It seems like poetic justice.
2. It's what the people voted for and ignoring it seems clearly wrong. I get that many voted out of anger but that was their choice and they will be responsible for whatever happens.
3. Other right wing EU parties will see what actually is involved in an EU exit and it may damage support for the likes of UKIP across Europe.
That said, I expect Britain to agree to some sort of deal that saves face and their economy but concedes on many of the promises they made. At least it would take the UK out of the EU meaning they won't be sabotaging the whole thing from the inside.
That said, I'm Irish so my priorities are different.
Out of interest - is the racism directed to all non-Brits or specifically to black/Asians/East Europeans?
Or am I asking for you to generalise racists, and overlooking their diversity?
Well, first years of my life was before Polish immigration so it was mainly about hating the Blacks and Asians. Once they came in to play, and after 9/11 happened, it got more about xenophobia than racism - hating people because of their background rather than strictly because of their skin colour. Hate the Poles because they are stealing our jobs and hate the muslims because they are 'blowing us up'.Out of interest - is the racism directed to all non-Brits or specifically to black/Asians/East Europeans?
Or am I asking for you to generalise racists, and overlooking their diversity?
Anyone who wants to leave here is the new skilled migration list for Australia. We also have a couple of years head start on the UK negotiating a trade deal with the EU.
http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/...d-occupations-list-sol-announced?cid=trending
http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/...d-occupations-list-sol-announced?cid=trending
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36678222
So much for a quick trade deal... Apparently the eu can't legally talk to us about that not until article 50 is triggered... But till article 50 is finalised
Wto terms would exist whilst negotiations happened... So services (including financial) would be subject to tarifs.
So much for a quick trade deal... Apparently the eu can't legally talk to us about that not until article 50 is triggered... But till article 50 is finalised
Wto terms would exist whilst negotiations happened... So services (including financial) would be subject to tarifs.
I agree completely. At another time some of the press would be charged with racism. I actually blame their tactics for the death of Jo Cox. Disgraceful stuff.
Cameron hinted they were open to discussions but not formal negotiations. I'm still wary about warnings from the commission as their interests don't always align to the member states.
I think it's too early to take the stated process as matter of fact. They'll be pressure (including from the US) to make it work for all.
A parliamentary democracy means you vote for people to represent you and if they don't do what you want you can vote them out next election. Every government I can remember has made promises they have failed to deliver, it's not the exception it's the norm.
That seems a sensible concept. Let's introduce it to the EU.
There's this election every 5 years, I'm not sure how you never noticed but I assure you they do happen.
There are very many factors as you say inflation, credit ratings, interest rates, lack of confidence other than trying to forge new deals and the like but exrate is still a factor as the gap between exports and imports will widen further.
The toxic environment created by the Leave campaign definitely played a part.
The referendum was a glorified opinion poll. It's nothing more than that. What parliament actually decide to do has nothing to do with fecking up democracy. They wanted our opinion and they got it, that's all. We didn't actually vote to do anything for them to dismantle, we just gave our opinion.
But they already have it.
(From Twitter...)
New Opinium poll: 7% of Leavers regret the way they voted, 3% of Remainers do. That would wipe out #Brexit's majority.
New Opinium poll: 7% of Leavers regret the way they voted, 3% of Remainers do. That would wipe out #Brexit's majority.
Do over! Do over!
Happy days looks like I'm in, see you next year so I can be eaten by a spider.
That's it. This has gone too far.
I've never been eaten by a spider and I've been here for over 20 years.
And you still haven't been killed by a drop bear either?
You can't expect people to actually check how the EU works can you?
That's not fair. Lot's of them googled it after they voted.
I think it's more 'Not happy with the government then you can vote them back in after 5 years'
You don't know who googled it. Should imagine many children/teenagers woke up the following morning to find they weren't getting any attention because their parents were too busy talking about this EU thing. No doubt there would have been a fair number of them looking it up to find out what all this sudden fuss in their household was about. Those disinterested non voters might have suddenly thought they had better check what exactly we were coming out of too.
I really think absolute monarchies are the way forward for most countries. This voting stuff isn't working.
When the pound falls UK exports are cheaper for others to buy, and exports rise. Imports are dearer, so people favour British alternatives, or buy less if there aren't any.
I understand that if volumes of imports/exports didn't change then there would be a wider gap, but that's not what normally happens; the new rates create change in those volumes, and the balance of payments usually improves in the years after a devaluation.
It might be different for an undeveloped economy totally dependent on imports, but we're not quite at that stage, yet.
I've noticed that people confuse an opportunity to vote with democracy. It's difficult to imagine a democracy without elections, but an opportunity to vote does not mean there is a democracy, as many regimes from the past have demonstrated.
And they call the Brexit camp ill informed.... Iran is more democratic than the EU.