Bellends.
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Bellends.
Hypothetically, if the EU Commission plays hardball and blocks a further extension (or rather just one of the nations uses its veto), what do you reckon, would parliament go with no deal on April 12 or revoke A50?
I think it'd be no deal.
I think it'd be no deal.
The logical move would be another vote, this time only between the two Leave options.
Well no, if we knew what they were going to do we wouldnt be having a conversation speculating about it.
If you say you havent claimed anything Ill take your word for it.
My claim is that IF the UK calls a GE then the EU will grant an extension to allow it to happen. Im certainly not claiming it SHOULD do that, that it is in the EU's best interests. I just think they will do that.
I dont think a GE is a foregone conclusion though, because the Tories will be shitting themselves that Corbyn will win it.
They might not offer an ultimatum. They might just say, that's it, no deal it is.
Obviously, that's a nightmare for all concerned but the EU could consider it preferable to an indefinite limbo that ends up with the same outcome. There comes a point when everyone has to admit that the British parliament will never be able to agree on this issue. Which certainly looks likely right now.
No way a remain parliament would allow a no deal.
Revoke I think, no deal only got 140 votes?
What? If Remain gets 49% of the votes you want a 2nd round between 2 options that totaled 51%?
The way I see it, if there is an option to do something decisive, or an option to give it a bit more time and see what happens, the EU usually takes the latter option.
Anyway, as has been said, we dont know what will happen but we'll know soon enough, things tend to move quite quickly in this particular soap opera.
The thing that makes me think it is possible the EU Commission would take the route of saying 'no more extensions' is because they must realise that a no-deal is likely to be temporary. The exit would happen, it would be an economic shitshow and Britain would have to agree the key terms of the Withdrawal Agreement (divorce bill, citizen's rights and Irish border backstop) anyway as a precondition to whatever the future relationship / trade deal is.
Again, not hypocritical. Just pragmatic. Whether they like it or not, any damage to the UK economy also damages their economy. So they don’t want the UK to make stupid decisions which damage its/their economy.
They obviously believe that staying in the EU - while leaving the UK - will be a net benefit for their economy. They could be wrong but that’s not hypocritical.
Part of me wants Labour to block any GE attempt and force May to change course
That’s a fair point!
They should force the UK to join the Eurozone (with no rebates) if no deal happens, the economy collapses and the UK wants back in.
If this wasn't sad, it would be so funny. May getting repeatedly humiliated in the parliament is absolutely hilarious, and at this stage, it seems that no one has any idea what they want.
What are May's options now? Call a GE? Or just go for fourth voting with 'take it or we leave Brexit without an agreement' which happens automatically in 2 weeks if another delay agreement doesn't happen. Why no one is really mentioning the idea of a second referendum is beyond me!
What are May's options now? Call a GE? Or just go for fourth voting with 'take it or we leave Brexit without an agreement' which happens automatically in 2 weeks if another delay agreement doesn't happen. Why no one is really mentioning the idea of a second referendum is beyond me!
They wouldn't let the UK back in for at least a generation.
Me too
I understand where you are coming from, I just put in doubt your initial claim that it came from the EU.
I'm not sure, they clearly do want the UK to stay, and if 1-2 years down the line, they're offered an even better deal, I don't see why they won't bite.
Yes, you might be right. As I said I saw some Euro MEP say it on the news in the last few days, that an extension would be forthcoming if A, B, C or D, one of them being a GE. But it wasnt an official proclamation by any means. I cant even remember who it was.
In the event of no deal - oddly enough, the EU will require the UK to guarantee the citizens rights as per the WA to have talks , they also will want their bill paid and will also require the UK to maintain the GFA.
In the event of an alternative version decided on brexit , the UK will still have to sign the WA.
In the event of an alternative version decided on brexit , the UK will still have to sign the WA.
Agree, under any other circumstance i would want an election but at the moment running the country would be a poison chalice.So is Corbyn.
Didn't Macron recently say he'd veto any further extensions to the Brexit process, meaning No Deal in April is probably going to happen?
To join the EU you need a unanimous decision by the EU Council. No chance that happens without a whole host of countries setting unacceptable preconditions on Britain's membership.
Does Parliament have to withdraw A50 or can May do it without its consent?
They don't believe that though do they, its an ideological movement, not an economical one, just like Brexit.
It is hypocritical because their central purpose is to pursue as policy that will be more economically damaging to Scotland than Brexit will be to the UK. It would be a complex divorce just like Brexit too.
A huge fan of austerity and incompetence are we?
As far as I understand, it's an untested legal position that could well end up in court. But my best guess is that, as the government needed parliament to approve triggering A50, it would be reasonable to assume they need parliament to approve revoking it.
At some point this has to come to an end. Energy and resources need to be focused at something meaningful. If they extend beyond the EU elections, questions need to be asked on the EU leadership side as well.
Yeah, wanting to leave a Union that gives Scotland a Tory Government after Tory Government that couldn’t care less about Scotland is ‘slimy’.
Why is she still here please?
Back to how much influence Germany has over all the member states... anyway, no point discussing this
Thanks!
I read (BBC I think) that she could use royal perogative to override the need for Parliamentary consent.
Does seem like a bit of a legal minefield though.
Viable, and being an option are two different things.
Its a genuine possibility, no? Whether it is a violation of an international treaty, or the biggest economic risk in the history of time do not remove it as one of the options the UK may be required to take.
But 'no deal' is not a viable long term relationship. It's like saying because we can't agree which restaurant to go for dinner we just won't eat. You have to eat again eventually. Soon actually.
But how's that a viable long term position at all?
I’d love a Corbyn government but I don’t think a one issue general election as this would be suits them. They’re objectively better than the Tories in just about every area but even more screwed when it comes to Brexit. Any strong stance one way or the other could wipe them off the electoral map.