Well, unlike the parliament, there will be a clear answer either way.
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Thanks for reminding me, they just seem to be talking a lot of sense right now, but I suppose that's not exactly difficult with the company they are in.
Guess I'm a CUK for now!
It's gotta be Customs Union or People's Vote or GE. The first two got very close in the indicatives and could perhaps get the House backing if at least Labour whip for them.
If not the House composition needs to change.
If not the House composition needs to change.
It depends on the who's allowed to vote. If the voting age is lowered to 16, or if they allow BN(O) holders to vote, that should be a clear remain victory.
A bit like conservatism and liberalism in America. Everything from here on will be divided along brexit lines. If we do end up leaving, I will never vote for someone that wanted us to leave, regardless of other policies. Rather not participate.
The problem is, if you have another referendum and leave wins again with a majority of 49 - 51, then MP's and remainers would complain again that it was too close and there needs to be a more decisive outcome, and calls for another vote would appear.
Plus, shouldn't a confirmatory vote be "Do you agree with this deal - Yes/No" not "Do you agree with this deal - Yes/Remain" thats not a confirmatory vote, is it?
My way forward:
- Agree 2 year extension of Article 50 with EU
- Set up Royal Commission to investigate and provide impartial advice to the public on the implications of Brexit, in its various forms, to deliver report in 12 months time
- Two stage referendum process (on one ballot paper) in 18 months time:
...- Q1: Pass Withdrawal Agreement or Remain in EU.
...- Q2: If Withdrawal Agreement passed, pass current Political Declaration or Norway+.
- Parliament agrees to implement result of the referendum.
Absolutely. All trust is smashed and it's way more adversorial now- ie remoaners, Brexiteers are racists etc...Sad that it's driven a big wedge between my mother and her partner and the wife and I.
The choice is pretty stark now. No deal crash out on 12 April, or big extension to A50 and decent chance Brexit never happens.
No deal vs no Brexit!
No deal vs no Brexit!
So if they call a GE now, and you are a remainer, who do you vote for? Neither of the main parties are offering it.
If you want a customs union you vote for Labour. If you want hard Brexit you vote Tory, but if you think May's deal is as good as it will get, you also vote Tory?
I just dont see how a GE resolves anything, there is no correlation with a political position and a party at the moment.
If you want a customs union you vote for Labour. If you want hard Brexit you vote Tory, but if you think May's deal is as good as it will get, you also vote Tory?
I just dont see how a GE resolves anything, there is no correlation with a political position and a party at the moment.
Don't be silly Mike that seems far too sensible!
Which solves what?
EU on a wum.
Glad you edited. You had me with "oaeticparti"
Of course it resolves nothing. It's a grab for power by Labour which won't be any help in resolving this clusterfeck.
Now this may be a really stupid question but is there even time to have a GE? Presumably it would take a while to set up and run? Because the UK is crashing out on April 12th unless parliament can agree something. So surely this Labour call for a GE is just being massively unhelpful re the issue at hand?
How many times have we heard that then?
If only the dickheads who've been running this so far had an ounce of your common sense...
People now obsessed with Customs Union which solves nothing. Here we go again.
The last one was called on the 18th April and held on the 8th June - 51 days.
I think the EU said it will only grant a long extension if something material changes in the UK, and a GE would fit that bill. I mean, once it happens nothing changes because we'll still be completely divided. Im not going to go out and vote Tory now to help deliver a strong majority in the interests of the country. Nobody else is going to change either. So we still end up with a massively divided parliament. Even if a party wins outright, there will be no majority at the policy level. But still, the EU will grant an extension to allow us to have the GE.
That strange sort of antivenom that actively supports and encourages the venom whilst it paralyses you.
People saying she's going to call a GE.
A monocle on the Tory manifesto and unicorns on the Labour manifesto.
Which people?
If one party ran on a pledge of pushing for a new referendum, they'd pretty much guarantee getting all the remainers votes. Lib Dem resurgence perhaps?
Weird plan if she has no intention of running.
I'm not sure if the fist sentence is correct, the long term extension is based on the idea that the UK has a clear plan regarding Brexit. A GE just adds uncertainty since we won't know what the next government will be and what he will do.
Lib Dems would / will pledge that, and they wont win shit.
If they want to do that, they may as well go with the Revoke A50 manifesto rather than a 2nd referendum one.
That's my take on it too. Feck knows though. Everyone seems to be making it up as they go along, so you never know!
There will most likely be a big extension.
It started with a peoples vote with no plan, so let's finish it with a defined peoples vote:
Option 1: Revoke Article 50 and remain
Option 2: Brexit - May's deal
Option 3: Brexit - No deal
It doesn't devalue democracy, it simply confirms that the previous regime handled this extremely poorly, and passed it over to Theresa May who had no chance, irrespective of her political views and/or ability as a PM. Democracy for democracy's sake is ill-advised.
Option 1: Revoke Article 50 and remain
Option 2: Brexit - May's deal
Option 3: Brexit - No deal
It doesn't devalue democracy, it simply confirms that the previous regime handled this extremely poorly, and passed it over to Theresa May who had no chance, irrespective of her political views and/or ability as a PM. Democracy for democracy's sake is ill-advised.
Really? I heard someone, some EU bod, say it. But maybe not someone with any authority.
I think a GE is seen as the first step in formulating a clear plan.
I cant imagine the EU booting the UK out while it is organising its GE to try and restore some order. I mean, I can see the temptation. But it is always going to come back to the fact they also get hurt. And Ireland, in particular, gets shafted. So they will take the excuse to give the UK more time.
Don’t you understand - we want to gerrrronnnnnnwivvviitttt
Where's the hypocrisy? Those things really aren't equa they'd have much
Besides our argument to them to stay was essentially that they'd be poorer and wouldn't be in the EU. Well we decided to force that on them anyway
I am certain that UKIP or something simliar will quickly emerge to take the no-deal votes. Depending on who leads the Tories to the next election.