There's a whole world out there to trade with and trade with them we will. The EU know that.
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Let them eat chocolate cake!
So in your scenario, we can trade with one or the other, but not both?
Don't do that to me...mention chocolate cake I mean. I could just demolish some choc fudge cake, British of course.
We can trade with both. If we're not in the EU we can trade with anyone.
(I had a cat called Xeno...well Zeno actually).
The EU will offer the Brits a deal. After all Norway is not part of the EU and it has access to the single market. However it will cost loads of money and freedom of movement will have to be guaranteed. Brussels may not hate the Brits but they aren't stupid to offer the Brits a better deal then to those with a full membership. That would bring the union to an end
Thats not important though, the fact is they've taken back control from the electrician.
The deal's a two way thing. If we don't agree then there's no deal. The EU want to keep trade with us and us with them so I still hold that they'll have enough sense to compromise. If not the Euro will end up fecked completely.
Norway's deal with the EU is already better than full membership, the same goes for Switzerland and Iceland. I expect the UK will get an even better deal than those countries but speculating seems a bit moot at the moment due to the massive turmoil with our domestic politics.
Merkel isn't on shaky ground. In Germany a healthy majority even at this point thinks the benefits outweigh the disadvantages; the numbers even increased right before and after the UK referendum.
You also shouldn't underestimate that many Germans are actually frustrated with the cherry-picking of the UK and other countries - even now. Also, many are frustrated because Cameron blocked better controls of the finance industry, eradicating tax havens or because he blocked better working rights. So other that the prejudice might suggest, the frustration isn't limited to red tape or the bail out for the Greek: It's a very mixed bag, and the UK is part of it.
I'm not suggesting that my environment is representative of Germans. However, I haven't met a single person since Friday, including workers from the car industry, who doesn't take another stance than "in is in and out is out" - and expect that from Merkel to be implenented. This includes the car industry workers who are well aware that cars are exported to the UK.
My friends in the finance sector are actually eagerly looking forward to thousands of jobs moving from the UK to Frankfurt; extra offices have been already rented and are rented while we speak.
My friends in the pharma industry are looking forward to the European Medicines Agency being pulled from the UK, and although it's not determined yet where it'll move, it will be to a country that isn't likely to leave the EU soon. Hence Germany should have a good chance they tell me, and apparently a couple of American and Asian pharma companies have communicated that they'll reduce staff in the UK and hire elsewhere, moving their EU HQs staff close to the new location of the agency.
Of course one fine day there will be a deal. It just won't be better than what has been on the table right now.
You seriously think it is better to have to accept the four basic principles including free movement of people, pay 83% to the EU budget of what you do now, have to implement the EU regulations and directives - without having any possibility to vote on them? Wow.
Everyone is still angry and overreacting so I don't hold much store with what they say right now tbh. When things calm down reason should prevail, they are supposed to be intelligent, sensible adults after all. But if common sense doesn't prevail then I would be greatly concerned by their suitability for the job they're in. Honestly it's beginning to feel like we are dealing with a bunch of petulant adolescents.
It was said long before Brexit, it was said during Brexit and it's now being said after Brexit. It's not angry and overreacting, it has been said since day 1 but ignored by people who don't want to believe it. We knew their rules, we knew what they'd say, we are the petulant adolescents for telling them to go feck themselves but then expecting them to make an exception for us and treat us the way we want to be treated and get the benefits but not the concessions and be treated differently to any other country, ever.
Hmmmm....
UK knows the rules of free trade in the single market, both for those inside the EU and on outside (EEA).
How the hell are the EU being petulant here?
Only one side here is being selfish fecks.
We just want to trade normally with them that's all. As we trade with other countries.
That's not a problem, and as with other countries the UK will pay tariffs, as is the norm.
Quite simply we are saying that we do not want to be part of the EU but we are still happy to trade with them and work closely on other things....just as we would to say Australia or NZ or anywhere not in the EU. We are merely saying that the club they are all in is not for us. The rest of the world do not have to comply with all these rules to trade with them and neither should we. We'll just work under the same terms as those outside the EU.
Presumably they will pay tariffs to us too.
Do you know anything about how our trade deals with other nations were negotiated and the terms involved? Because I certainly don't.
The EU was literally created to accommodate preferential terms in trade deals for the nations within. Why anyone believes the EU and the nations that are part of it will be happy for the UK to continue to trade as if they were still a member, but without the fees and other terms that come with being a member is beyond me.
Yes, that's how these things work.
And trust me when I say, in that format the UK ends up way way worse off, hence why even the feckwit Farage wants them to do some crazy deal for us.
Yes, you're correct, that's why it was created and if it was still the same EEC then we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. But it isn't as it was created, it's morphed into something entirely different now hasn't it.
Absolutely, and so do they. But 'trade normally with them' means either free movement or concessions. It's as simple as that. This isn't news, we've known this all along.
Then we'll have to trade elsewhere and they'll have to lose the billions of pounds we trade with them now. A no win situation for anyone, including them, so they need to find a work around don't they. One that suits us both.
But we're really friendly?
So what do other countries outside the EU receive....free movement or concessions?
Different ballgame.
Go read the trade agreements. Free movement is a concession, one of many such as tariffs. Switzerland for example has to allow free movement, has to pay Brussels just as we did and also has to abide by all their regulations. Norway too. Even Canada had to give up control of their waters to the US when the NAFTA was negotiated. The notion that because they need our trade that means that they will go easy on is is simply false. That's not how trade negotiations work, that's not how the world works.
I think he meant countries like Korea, which is a crap comparison.
Yeah I thought so, that's why I included Canada as even non-EU countries get fecked over in trade negotiations. How appealing their trade is isn't relevant.
Tbf you edited that post that's why mine looks pointless.
Is that another phrase for "no idea".
So bullying Brussels strikes at everyone. Maybe time we got rid of the EU beast altogether, Norway and Switzerland will be better off as well. (There seems to have been more added since I first saw it)
Not asking them to go easy on us just asking for normal trade deals. The ones we used to have before the EU was created.
No, they don't. The EU are 27 country strong, a much bigger economy than just the UK and large multi-national corporations and investment bank will move out of the UK to the continent or Dublin. So they will pay the regular tariffs to trade with the UK and vice versa.
The EU comes out of this much better.
There is no "work-around". The best way to sum this up for you is this, you play golf and want to join a club. The club has 2 types of memberships, 1 type in which you pay a yearly fee of £500 and pay £10 each time you can play, you can also bring guests. The 2nd type is £50 yearly and £50 each time you play and no guests. You know the rules, but after 5 years you decide, feck this, I don't wanna pay £500 a year and you cancel your membership, yet then demand to continue playing with guests for £10 a time and think they are being unreasonable pricks when they say no.
That's absurd. Throwing out the currency of multiple nations because a single one is being taken over by the far right is the last thing anyone should do now. If Brexit is causing economic instability, getting rid of the EU would set the entire content decades back.
"Brussels", what does that even mean? The EU is 28 countries, not one city.
No it's not another phrase for no idea. Infact I gave you 3 examples immediately after. I pointed you to them because it's generally a good idea to read them for yourself in order to inform you on an issue.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/agreements/index_en.htm#_other-countries
Trade deals are pretty dull reading though
Trade deals are pretty dull reading though
Brussels is the ogre overseeing it's soldiers.
Yet the trade agreements and the terms that come with them aren't going to change just because we left. The only thing that's going to happen is us getting a worse deal, or at best, the same, which completely defeats the point of leaving.
OK I'll have a read when I've time. Meanwhile I'm off now because replying to 4 all at once people is a touch tasking. I'm forgetting who I've said what to and I need a drink.
No it's not another phrase for no idea. Infact I gave you 3 examples immediately after. I pointed you to them because it's generally a good idea to read them for yourself in order to inform you on an issue.
