Again people answering for other people. What is this? Farmers with pitchforks? People voted out of the EU.
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Again people answering for other people. What is this? Farmers with pitchforks? People voted out of the EU.
@Striker10 no offence but you're an idiot
And the EU isn't the EEA or the EUCU.
For having a different opinion? Who are you again?
There's haven't a different opinion and then there's just being blind to the realities of Brexit.
Surely having a ballot with Remain & Leave (No Deal) would give everyone a fair chance to have their final say. It’s not ignoring the vote, it’s progress. May’s deal is dead and won’t ever get through the HoC so it’s pointless including that.
Two years of negotiations has led us here where parliament can’t come to a consensus. Giving the people a final say is the democratic thing to do. If they really want to leave at any cost then this is their chance.
Nothing is going to be decided in parliament and stumbling towards a No Deal Brexit is dangerous/irresponsible.
Ok lemme ask a question. When this was first proposed, was brexit all about striking a better deal and staying in the EU. If you have articles etc, please post and if you're correct that's fine.
Teach me about brexit. I'm happy to learn new things, you got the floor. What are the pros and cons? How do you envisage the future and based on what projections? And btw, I look into a lot of topics. So now i'm interested.
Some people did, a lot of those because they were lied to (fact) and because they didn't realise what an awful idea it was.
Tell me how, after a hard brexit, we can import fresh fruit and veg as cheaply as we currently do (because we can't produce enough so we rely on eu imports).
Spoiler: we can't. Even the absolute basics of every day life will be fecked if we leave with no deal.
Its stuff like that the people who repeatedly go "brexit means brexit" are either too thick or ignorant to grasp.
If you come into a thread and start saying stuff without anything to back you up then you should expect people to react in that way. It would be fine if you could actually present rational arguments and facts to back yourself up, but you haven't, at all. There are a lot of people in here who know a hell of a lot more on this than you seem to (not claiming I'm one of them) so maybe try to take their points in instead of blindly dismissing them, eh?
Every damn time, Brexiteer's come in here claiming they want to have a debate on it and then never actually listen to argue in a rational way.
I personally think it is undemocratic to have elections every four years. You voted for them once, you should stand for the consequences. This business of electing new people for government just because things changed in the past four years is simply undermining democracy. You think people didn't know what they voted for four years ago? Let the people's vote stand and keep elected officials in office until they retire. It's the will of the people.
Norway is associated with the Union through its membership in agreements in the European Economic Area (EEA). Teach us about that. Because as you say Norway isn't a member state of the EU. It's still better then what we have. This or a no deal is a much of a muchness. Even with a no deal, you have to create your own trade agreements outside the EUs scope. So what have our people done in the last 2/3 years? Have they even started negotiating with any other nation? People should be asking this question because what's pushed on people is the no deal...- well, they've had 2/3 years to negotiate deals...right? Where's the reporting of this? - That changes the perception of a no deal into other trade agreements but of course if no ones reporting them they no exist....
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He's called Trump.
Where on your ballot paper did you vote to leave the EEA by the way?
Why are you so scared of another vote?
Of course we should have another vote. The leave campaign was based on lies, and we were always told we would stay in the customs union - that's what leave kept repeating. A no deal means we leave that.
May's own lawyer stood up in court and said she knew the leave vote was corrupted. If the referendum had been legally binding (it wasn't) then it would have been declared void.
the whole idea of a vote is to have your say. Once it's done it's undemocratic to ignore it. The reality is that this whole second referendum came about because a PM who didn't want it, did a deal no one wanted and went back and the same thing.....so now we have to vote again? What if we vote and it goes the other way. What happens to those whose vote was stolen? Do you see what happens in France? How would Mays Lawyer know that? From May? How would she know that? It causes a problem. It's all smoke and mirrors. How many times? Oh so if we vote to stay, 2 votes is enough? Are we sure?
So they voted to have no trading arrangements with the EU at all?
Yeah i don't think that they did, well very few anyway. Theres always a few crackpots.
It's a coup put in place by chancers seeking to make cash from chaos; all the rest is just window-dressing. This has nothing to do with patriotism, immigration, 'Blitz spirit' etc etc. It's a scam.
Owen Patterson MP (Brexiter & advisor to "Leave Means Leave"):
"Only a madman would leave the single market".
Surely just means that revoking Article 50 is the likeliest option at the moment?
These sentences make no sense at all. EFTA and the EU aren't the same thing and yes they have a trade agreement that forms the EEA which I already mentioned. The referendum was about the EU not the EEA nor the EUCU, people haven't been asked any questions about these, so you can't just make up what they think about it.
Nothing related to votes happens in France.
It's a rigged game to be fair. Because we don't create our own money, we're in a bad position regardless. The EU was never meant to be gotten out of.
I know they are not the same. But voting out of the EU don't mean we can't have an EEA type agreement.
I was referring of course to the stupid taxation and the inhumanity in goverment.
I don't think a second referendum would be undemocratic (it's more like a somewhat more informed choice at this point) and I think you were mostly joking with this anyway but if anyone takes it seriously, it's not a good argument. After an election, a new government is formed: that is to say, the result of the vote is carried out.
This is more like a scenario where no party can form a government, all coalition talks break down and after a while they hold another general election because there's no other way out of the stalemate. Actually, that's not a bad analogy and I don't just say that because it's mine.
There is no stupid taxation and no inhumanity in government at this point in time.
And in an EEA type agreement is a deal which you claimed wasn't what people voted for.
Are the yellow tops still protesting or has that stopped?
The yellow tops have no actual claims and they are 60k in an electorate of 45m people.
I can't look up the stats right now, but didn't the UK vote for pretty much all of the laws set by the EU, like 97% or something?. I remember reading some of the ones 'forced' on us and iirc they were beneficial to the common man. This was ages ago that I read up on this so feel free to correct me.
Regarding the money system, how do you think a no deal Brexit would improve this for the better?
That's what Farage is hoping for. He becomes even more irrelevant if the UK actually leave.
It's not a vote. It's not even legally binding. At best the referendum is a opinion poll. And people can change their opinion....especially when the original was made based on mistruths and outright lies.
The second referendum is necessary because none of the claims made by the exit camp during first referendum can be delivered.
Either deliver all that was promised or come up with new reasons for brexit and let public vote again.
I hope so. It depends on the amendments that are allowed to the no-deal motion today, in my opinion.
You once claimed that it shouldn’t be possible for countries to be in debt because they can just print more money. Are you sure you should be casting judgement on the pros and cons of money systems
That tweet is actually quite scary. Everything is going to plan for the Hard Brexiters.
You once claimed that it shouldn’t be possible for countries to be in debt because they can just print more money. Are you sure you should be casting judgement on the pros and cons of money systems
He didn't really did he?
Though it would put his Brexit posts in a context that makes sense.
He absolutely has to have money on this.
A lame duck, stubborn, 'useful idiot ' Prime Minister in place too. No wonder there's so few calls for her to resign.
If we vote for an extension and the EU reject it, what's more likely to happen? We just leave with No Deal or we revoke A50?
I'm sure JRM has. Not convinced Farage is that bright.
"Accidental" no deal looking more and more likely. Hold me Steve.