Yes but neither of the major parties seem that interested.
Secondly, if there was one, if the result was Remain then Brexit is cancelled. If Leave won again we're back to where we are now.
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Yes but neither of the major parties seem that interested.
Secondly, if there was one, if the result was Remain then Brexit is cancelled. If Leave won again we're back to where we are now.
Agree about the lack of interest but it's still possible, yes one option would have to be withdrawal of article 50, and then Leave with the deal, or Leave without a deal, or a choice of all three, but binding. There will obviously be difference of opinion on the choices given, but parliament could vote for that.
If there is a referendum then it would have to be more than 3 months and thus the UK would have to take part in the elections. That's why I don't think either party want a referendum. It would take them months just to agree on the wording.
At some point in time the UK does step off the edge and someone in the Uk government will have to negotiate a trade deal during the coming years but a trade deal does not avoid the cliff edge even with the transition , it's only the backstop that stops it.
Yes, all those highly-skilled European dentists for example, who've filled the massive gap left by British ones who no longer want to offer NHS services.
Hey-ho.
Let's not forget, the reason we are here is May's bullshit redlines .
Might be a vote of no confidence again as well if gov loses the vote.
Not entirely predictable what will happen.
My hope is that if the EU refuses an extension the Government (or national one if it collapses first) calls vote to revoke article 50, then probable Tory leadership election and a GE.
At this present time the EU would probably refuse an extension as there is no sign that the UK are going in a different direction.
Difficult to predict what will happen but time is slipping away fast and nothing is really happening and the most likely, unless something drastic happens this week, is that the UK slips out by the back door almost by accident.
You're picking the wrong target Penna. It's generally accepted quotas will be given for those with desirable qualifications or wealth, the question is how will farmers manage without immigrant pickers, or the hospitality businesses, or care homes, it's the low-paid you need to worry about. There's also a lot of moral questions to be answered and how you want the country to be and what opportunities there should be for our own citizens, but I wouldn't worry about dentists and doctors, if they're needed they'll come. If they still want to, of course.
If May's deal goes down then she will have the vote on 'No deal' and that will also be rejected. The extend A50 vote will most likely be upheld. This means that the 2 pillars of May's raison d'etre namely the WA and Leave on the 29th are pretty much impossible. She would have to resign.
Extending A50 would require a significant event for the 27 to approve it. If it's a GE what would then go into the respective parties manifestos regarding what they would do about Brexit? This is a real conundrum because both main parties are so split. If it's a 2nd referendum what would the questions be?
Then there's the timing. It's difficult to see how a GE or 2nd Ref could be done in 3 months. So we'd have to increase the extension period and contest the European elections.
In any case I can't see a GE or a 2nd Ref resolving anything.
Extending A50 would require a significant event for the 27 to approve it. If it's a GE what would then go into the respective parties manifestos regarding what they would do about Brexit? This is a real conundrum because both main parties are so split. If it's a 2nd referendum what would the questions be?
Then there's the timing. It's difficult to see how a GE or 2nd Ref could be done in 3 months. So we'd have to increase the extension period and contest the European elections.
In any case I can't see a GE or a 2nd Ref resolving anything.
And what does 'syncing' even mean?
i think the electoral commission said 26 weeks minimum for a referendum - and that was based on there not being any legal challenge to the format of the question - which frankly given the debates about that already I think would be inevitable.
As for a GE I think the last snap election was about 8 weeks after it was called - so in theory there is time for a GE - but not enough time after for any re-negotiation or legislation to implement any plan
in short an extension to the end of the year would seem as a minimum required to actually do anything...
will be interesting to see what happens if they apply for 3 months - the EU may say no and it has to be longer - but if they don't I would guess that the deadline for entering candidates for the Eu election would be in that extension window and I wonder if all the parties would still enter people in case (ok in probability) that there is another extension and EU elections are held... equally if we dont hold EU elections but have an extension then I wonder if there are legal implicatins about representation etc?
Certainly wouldnt fancy from the EU point of view a bunch of UKIP MP's being elected hell bent on causing a kerfuffle and ranting on about bongo bongo land etc
I will be honest in this context, I don't really know.
The British nation psyche is built around the idea of being small but powerful. We never had huge armies compared to our enemies but they often punched above their weight. We’re a small island but we colonized a huge empire. The inherent sense is that despite being small we always have large worth. That’s the fiction that is about to run into the cold hard wall of modern reality.
Might be that the UK had to leave NI behind in return?
yes I think so - its basically the original offer that we actually signed up to before we apparently played a blinder and changed it to the UK wide backstop... i have some respect for the patience of the Eu Negotiators - I think id have told the UK team to do one several months ago
She must wake up every day regretting that snap election.
Surely one of the biggest og's by a governing party in political history. Well that and calling a referendum on the EU in the first place. 2 for 2.
Surely one of the biggest og's by a governing party in political history. Well that and calling a referendum on the EU in the first place. 2 for 2.
Excellent description my friend.
Was probably hoping JRM, Boris etc. don't know the difference
.Was probably hoping JRM, Boris etc. don't know the difference
To be honest, I'm literally wrong. He said UK but added that "the elements of the backstop must be maintained" basically NI aren't concerned by the unilateral withdrawal.
Probably, but the predicament she finds herself in now would've - to an extent - still been quite similar in regards to Brexit. She'd have had a bit more leeway but the EU would've still been just as unwilling to accept her party's unreasonable and unworkable demands.
Her time as PM has been bizarre though. Not sure there's been someone in charge who's had as little power as she has currently.
To be fair with the small majority she had before she would still probably face the same problems getting the erg votes
I wonder if she regrets running for the leadership after Cameron quit. She'd say no if you asked her but deep down I think she would have prefered to not be the face of Brexit.
Is it just me or is the title 'meaningful vote' a contradiction in terms as nothing at all has changed.
I think shes convinced herself she is playing a blinder and that at the last moment everybody will fall in line and vote for her deal and she will leave office as the PM who delivered brexit
I think shes deluded
Spot on with this John!
A general election would get skewed on Brexit lines and probably result in another 'hung' parliament. Don't think Tory party will actually split over Brexit after all there has been 'in-fighting' in that party over the EU for forty years, but they might just increase their overall number of seats but insufficient to solve the problems within that party, or carry the vote in Parliament. Labour however, is in danger of disintegrating and will likely split into segments; hard left, Lib/left leaning but mainly centrists and right of centre (old traditional labour in the north mainly). Ask not for whom the bell tolls!!
Most politicians will shy away from declaring the results of a race void, before the finish line is crossed, it just doesn't make sense to those who wish to continue a career in politics, so a second referendum enacted before the result of the first one has been actioned, is probably out of the question.
You could also add extending A50 as well, it solves/resolves nothing. It is not even sure the EU would agree to an extension certainly not for anything other than few weeks because it would land them in all sorts of trouble with the EU elections that are due this year, where it would seem Nigel Farage is itching to return with his anti-EU hordes determine to 'sack' the EU parliament once and for all.
So its back to where it all started, with either we Leave with no deal on the 29th of March , or we remain in the EU and withdraw Art 50 completely. It was a binary choice to begin with and guess what folks, it still is!
I don’t think she is given to self-reflection or big picture perspectives. She reminds me of one of those examples used to illustrate the potential dangers of AI, in which a machine is set the task of maximising production of post-it notes or paper clips and proceeds to do so at the expense of all other considerations, destroying the world in the process. May’s task is to deliver Brexit and that is that, just like her task at the Home Offuce was to reduce immigration numbers.
According to the Guardian, revoking art 50 would probably require a vote in parliament.
That's a brilliant way of describing our dear leader.She's such a procrastinator.
It's bollocks. He's convinced his words have some connection to reality.
What fecks me off about this brexiteer 'long game' attitude is I can't get my kids into a good secondary school today which frankly is what I care about, and yet these jokers are promising milk and honey in a decade plus - without any sense of how. Trading a known here and now (and the jobs that go with it) for a vague aspiration in a decade or two. Ridiculous.
The next time United play a league game the UK could have left the EU without a deal.
A CL draw against British opposition might be required.
A CL draw against British opposition might be required.
Wonder just how flimsy this 'deal' will be and how low and shameless they'll go in pretending it's worthwhile.
Open bus tour?
Open bus tour?
Blimey. That certainly focuses attention. But somehow I just cannot see a no deal exit or is that just wishful thinking on my part.
50/50 chance of drawing another PL team assuming Liverpool and City get through.
We have done well to get to this stage.
It sounds insane but who knows.
Theresa's off on her travels tonight to see Juncker.
Will come back tomorrow, it will be exactly the same as before and the circus starts again.
But even if she came back with something different it would still be rejected.
Of course you are correct but even if you play along his theory doesn't work in the short term. None of the emerging countries need the UK, whether they sell goods or services these markets want to access big markets.
When he said syncing he probably mis-spelt sinking.
Maybe, but it will be like Liverpool’s bus arriving at Anfield for that game against Chelsea in 2014.
The truly frightening thing for me is that a lot of people think this is the deal, as opposed to being a temporary 2-3 year sticking plaster while the real long-term deal is worked out. And even if that long-term deal can be agreed (highly unlikely without a change of government), we’ll forever be in a state of negotiation, like Switzerland currently is, with our large neighbour about whatever new rules they introduce from time to time. Next year is our year....