None, they could be discussing it for the next 50 years and never agree on anything.
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None, they could be discussing it for the next 50 years and never agree on anything.
The Kyle-Wilson plan is the only thing that really makes sense at the moment, which would require an extension. The only other options are May's current plan to let time run out, and crashing out.
Some rumours are France will reject a 3 month extension saying it's not long enough to negotiate a new deal... Which in fairness is probably true
Do we then have a hard border with scotland?
But that's my question where are these rumours coming from because the current stance in France is that there is no new deal to negotiate and that there is no point to an extension.
Think I heard it on brexitcast from I think Laura k
(Re)build the wall!
Seriously though, this has become such a mess. Does Scotland have enough of an economy to be self sufficient and keep the same standard of living in the event that they remain with the EU?
As Brexiters are unable to list any actual benefits of Brexit, in only three weeks time we may all start to finally find out.
Seems like democracy for leavers is denying people the right to change their mind.
And don't forget insinuating that they might turn violent to scare people into thinking that another vote might not be a good idea.
So. Yet another so called professional politician...
Fast tracked on what basis I wonder.
Says something about the people who he impressed doesn't it. We must be bereft of quality if he is anything to go by. He has a massive amount of learning to do before he could be considered even remotely capable.
Difficult to argue with that.
If people change their mind, then we could have a 3rd vote in case people change their mind again, then a 5th, 7th......
It was a referendum, not a neverendum
So, since I was very surprised I searched for it and if you are referring to the podcast from the 2/27. She is speculating and wondered what would happen if the EU told May that the only possible extension was 2 years, she then joked about Macron being against the idea of attending a new Brexit emergency summit.
I assume you voted once when you turned 18 and never voted again, right?
So you are saying that a referendum issue should be repeated every 5 years like the GE? Perhaps we should do the same thing on every law that is passed in the Commons, by having it revoted on every 2-5 years
Politics isn't a survey monkey form or a down/ upward vote on a you tube video
true, youtube video ratings often have better representation
All he has to throw out is stupid sound bites and catchphrases, which is why he keeps saying "neverendum" and ignoring reasoned arguments.
Pretty standard alt-righter.
The irony of using an 'alt righter' buzzword
It's not a buzzword, it's a classification.
It's a euphemism more than anything else.
Ah yeah, now that you mention it it is impossible to leave the EU. After all, the Commons made up their mind when they passed the European Communities Act in 1972 and they aren't allowed to change their mind, vote again, or in any way alter that bill. Good point.
should've gone with this bad boy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum
Bit of a difference between 2 years and 40 years
Tell you what. How about we Brexit and if there is such a demand for being the EU, then political parties can have it in their manifesto and if they secure sufficient support in the the GE, they can look to vote for a referendum in Parliament, then the country can have a referendum.
Perhaps the principled and progressive IG could take the first step, by triggering a by-election and standing on a new manifesto of their 'groups' stance
Isn’t that basically what the referendum was?
Does that link detail the public referendums that were held in the UK, each time the EC expanded its powers and scope, into what is now the present day EU?
How dare you question the political will of 17 million patriots
So I think I've got you. If the circumstances change, it's justifiable to ask people again whether they're sure they would vote the same way.
So, hypothetically, lets say 3 years after a referendum it was uncovered that the side that won had lied repeatedly, not been able to secure any of the things that they had promised, and had been found guilty of cheating, you would support asking people if they are sure they still wanted the very different thing to what had been offered before.
I'm very glad we can agree.
we're on a football forum and no one is going to change their mind that much, all you can do is dunk on people when they're being stupidI think I get you. It seems you want a political and democratic process that gives you exactly what you want. The EU is perfect for you it seems
Bit of a daft thing to say. A referendum is a specific subject whereas a General Election happens on a fixed frequency.
Or he wants to give people the possibility to take decisions when they know the outcome. There is a massive difference between the initial referendum and a 2nd referendum since brexit would be actually defined.
If only life was like that.
Perhaps United could get our money back for Fred and buy Brooks, if we buy a young superstar and he breaks his leg in a year, perhaps we can change our mind and resign Bailley (because we may sell him in the summer as he looks like he might not be world class)
You are advocating for Neverendums. That's worse that the extremes of either outcome of the debate
I don't think there should ever be referendums but why are Brexiters so against holding another one, there can only be one reason and that is they are frightened that they will lose, therefore they themselves believe that the result of the last referendum is now no longer what people want. If they were so confident that the result of the last referendum was what people still want and Leave won again, holding another referendum would only confirm it.
I too was furious we fired David Moyes before his contract run out. Do words mean nothing anymore people?!
Does it? There was one in 2015 and 2017 and probably another one in the not too distant future (i.e. before 2022)
Who do you think that statement actually applies more to?
On the one hand:
A person advocating going back to the country and asking if they're sure they think this is a good idea
or a person:
A person who is terrified that the public no longer thinks Brexit is a good idea and is shit scarred of the possibility that they might not get their way anymore so thinks that the public should never, ever, ever get a say on the matter again?
Life is actually like that. People take decisions based on what they know and they adjust or change them based on experience and hindsight.
No I'm a person who does not want continous uncertainty of what neverendums bring, which is what you are effectively advocating for
Induciviness is a weak trait in an individual, in can be catastrophic at a national level
In Life, people generally arrive at a decision and stick to it and are not plagued by indecision