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Buster15 said:
Perfect example of some peoples idiocy isn't it.
The leave campaign sold some gullible souls the idea that immigration was all the fault of the UK being in the EU - how can we stop them when we have free movement of people...so to reduce immigration we have to leave the EU don't we....

Meanwhile the remain campaign tried to convince people that immigration was positive for the economy.

But, as a result of the government's austerity policy, public services have been cut back to unsustainable levels to balance the books (another failed policy) the cause was incorrectly blamed on immigration. AKA the EU was the problem.

Now the truth is becoming evident that myth is exposed. Wondering who will be blamed now.
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Nail on the head.

Some leavers of an ignorant disposition and limited intellect really did fail to understand that freedom of movement was just EU citizens and wouldn't reduce the type of immigration they actually hate.

I imagine they thought we were being held back from controlling our borders somehow.
 
Sweet Square said:
Agree with you here.


Wasn't Remain around 10 -16 before the last referendum started. My worry is at best 10 point lead can be lost pretty quickly especially because the rights argument this type is even easier than last - The "liberal elite" are trying to stop democracy.
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I am not 100% confident Remain would win but I don’t think you’d see a big divergence from the polls second time round. Positions are now fairly entrenched, more Remainers would make the effort to vote after the shock of 2016 and Cummings can’t perform the same trick twice by producing 2m voters who are off the radar.
 
Minister resigns over Brexit delay vote

Agriculture minister George Eustice has resigned over Theresa May's decision to allow a vote on delaying Brexit if her deal is rejected again by MPs.

In his resignation letter to the prime minister, Mr Eustice said he wants to be "free to participate in the critical debate that will take place in the weeks ahead".

The MP for Camborne and Redruth in Cornwall said he fears events in Parliament this week "will lead to a series of events culminating in the EU dictating the terms of any extension requested and the final humiliation of our country".

It comes after Mrs May promised MPs votes on a no-deal Brexit or a delay to leaving, if the Commons once again rejects her EU withdrawal agreement.

The PM vowed to give MPs the chance to express their consent for either outcome should they vote down her revised Brexit deal, which she has pledged to bring back to the Commons by 12 March.

Last month, MPs overwhelmingly rejected her agreement with Brussels and - if this were to happen again - they will now get a vote on whether to support the UK leaving the EU without a divorce deal by 13 March.

If the Commons rejects a no-deal Brexit, which is likely, MPs will then get a vote on a "short, limited extension" to the Article 50 period by 14 March.

This would postpone Brexit beyond the UK's scheduled departure date of 29 March, although Mrs May argued a "one-off" extension to the Article 50 period - the two-year period for negotiating Britain's exit which began in March 2017 - could only last to the end of June.

Mr Eustice said he would vote for Mrs May's deal when it comes back before MPs, but added that Britain should not be fearful of leaving without a deal.

Accusing Brussels of failing to conduct the exit negotiations "honourably", he added: "If the position of Parliament is now that we will refuse to leave without an agreement then we are somewhat stuck.

"This is uncomfortable for everyone, but we cannot negotiate a successful Brexit unless we are prepared to walk through the door.

"We must therefore have the courage, if necessary, to reclaim our freedom first and talk afterwards.

"We must be ready to face down the European Union here and now.

"The absence of an agreement poses risks and costs for them too."
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Drip drip drip.
 
Could someone please confirm is this is correct.

They voted last night for some motion where

1. If Mays deal is thrown out then there will be another vote regarding No Deal
2. If no deal is thrown out then they want a 3rd vote regarding asking for an extension

If this is true then in which Film have I landed the mind boggles, the EU should simply say on 29th of March your out no more discussions and the UK will have to deal with the fallout be it good or bad.
 
Smores said:
Nail on the head.

Some leavers of an ignorant disposition and limited intellect really did fail to understand that freedom of movement was just EU citizens and wouldn't reduce the type of immigration they actually hate.

I imagine they thought we were being held back from controlling our borders somehow.
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Now the latest immigration figures have been published, we are over 600,000 miles away from the governments target and growing.

I am of the strong belief that the Leave campaign told large numbers of people what they wanted to hear while the Remain campaign told them exactly the opposite and that had a significant effect on the outcome.
 
Buster15 said:
Now the latest immigration figures have been published, we are over 600,000 miles away from the governments target and growing.

I am of the strong belief that the Leave campaign told large numbers of people what they wanted to hear while the Remain campaign told them exactly the opposite and that had a significant effect on the outcome.
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The problem is a lot of Remainers had been talking tough on immigration for years with no plans to actually address said issues. Cameron wanted to cut it down by hundreds of thousands each year but didn't do so. Even before him the Blair/Brown governments often talked tough on immigration, even though - again - they had no plans to properly reduce immigration. In the end demonising migrants was normalised, and the same people who held anti-immigrant sentiments grew pissed due to the fact no one was actually doing anything to address something that was out of control according to those very same politicians who had stirred up anti-migrant sentiment in the first place.
 
Cheesy said:
The problem is a lot of Remainers had been talking tough on immigration for years with no plans to actually address said issues. Cameron wanted to cut it down by hundreds of thousands each year but didn't do so. Even before him the Blair/Brown governments often talked tough on immigration, even though - again - they had no plans to properly reduce immigration. In the end demonising migrants was normalised, and the same people who held anti-immigrant sentiments grew pissed due to the fact no one was actually doing anything to address something that was out of control according to those very same politicians who had stirred up anti-migrant sentiment in the first place.
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Spot on. I also believe that some of the government 'used' the high immigration figures to try to mask the adverse effects of their austerity policy especially on public services.
 
Buster15 said:
Spot on. I also believe that some of the government 'used' the high immigration figures to try to mask the adverse effects of their austerity policy especially on public services.
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They did this with the EU in general. Spent years using it as a scapegoat...before then being baffled as to why some people then thought the EU was kinda shit. Incompetent morons.
 
Buster15 said:
Spot on. I also believe that some of the government 'used' the high immigration figures to try to mask the adverse effects of their austerity policy especially on public services.
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Absolutely agree with this. It's one of those classic political hoodwinks. Using people's discontent with their lot, largely down to years of Austerity, and directing it at Jonny Foreigner and the EU.
 
Cheesy said:
They did this with the EU in general. Spent years using it as a scapegoat...before then being baffled as to why some people then thought the EU was kinda shit. Incompetent morons.
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Incompetent morons is a perfect description.

I am a very proud English man who loves this country.
I have always been immensely proud to say that I am English. But I am appalled and disgusted at the disgraceful way that our elected politicians have made us a complete laughing stock. Something 99% of the population don't deserve.
 
Reiver said:
Absolutely agree with this. It's one of those classic political hoodwinks. Using people's discontent with their lot, largely down to years of Austerity, and directing it at Jonny Foreigner and the EU.
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Correct.
Despite all this, I am optimistic that the millions of intelligent and hard working Brits will make Brexit work whatever the outcome.

If Ole can turn Manchester United round I am hopeful we can do the same for our country.
 
dogrob said:
Could someone please confirm is this is correct.

They voted last night for some motion where

1. If Mays deal is thrown out then there will be another vote regarding No Deal
2. If no deal is thrown out then they want a 3rd vote regarding asking for an extension

If this is true then in which Film have I landed the mind boggles, the EU should simply say on 29th of March your out no more discussions and the UK will have to deal with the fallout be it good or bad.
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The EU will definitely say no because they've already set out the terms for an extension either a general election, second referendum on Brexit or changing of terms from the British government to the Labour brexit proposal. What's likely to happen is the EU says no because May won't remove her red lines then parliament will either take control of Brexit and Hilary Benn takes control of the negotiation and basically delivers the Labour version or parliament votes for a second referendum.
 
Mogget said:


This man is the chief political correspondent for a major newspaper. It's incredible.

He's getting absolutely slaughtered in the replies.
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Christopher No Hope with another gem!

Don't bet on May not ballsing up the extension if she is instructed to get one by parliament!
 
Silva said:
The EU will definitely say no because they've already set out the terms for an extension either a general election, second referendum on Brexit or changing of terms from the British government to the Labour brexit proposal. What's likely to happen is the EU says no because May won't remove her red lines then parliament will either take control of Brexit and Hilary Benn takes control of the negotiation and basically delivers the Labour version or parliament votes for a second referendum.
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The Labour version? You're having a laugh.

And will parliament actually agree a referendum or even the wording.
 
If by some bizarre cosmic joke anyone was stupid enough to try Christoper Hope's idiotic suggestion don't we still owe all or most of the 39 billion?

His tweet reminds me of this

 
Paul the Wolf said:
The Tory Brexiters don't want one either and I'm not convinced all Labour does either.
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labour's hilary benn is in charge of the select committee and would oversee the exit process if the parliament took control from the government, why wouldn't they want the brexit that Jeremy's been going on about for the last 2 years?
 
Buster15 said:
Perfect example of some peoples idiocy isn't it.
The leave campaign sold some gullible souls the idea that immigration was all the fault of the UK being in the EU - how can we stop them when we have free movement of people...so to reduce immigration we have to leave the EU don't we....

Meanwhile the remain campaign tried to convince people that immigration was positive for the economy.

But, as a result of the government's austerity policy, public services have been cut back to unsustainable levels to balance the books (another failed policy) the cause was incorrectly blamed on immigration. AKA the EU was the problem.

Now the truth is becoming evident that myth is exposed. Wondering who will be blamed now.
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They didn't have the EU to blame before 1973. But it was a problem then too.
 
Silva said:
labour's hilary benn is in charge of the select committee and would oversee the exit process if the parliament took control from the government, why wouldn't they want the brexit that Jeremy's been going on about for the last 2 years?
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But the version he wants is not possible as has been pointed out dozens of times already. May wanted her cake and to eat it too. Just because Corbyn says it , it doesn't make it any more possible.
 
Buster15 said:
Correct.
Despite all this, I am optimistic that the millions of intelligent and hard working Brits will make Brexit work whatever the outcome.

If Ole can turn Manchester United round I am hopeful we can do the same for our country.
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Could take years.

Ordinary people should never have been left in the position whereby they are worrying about their jobs, pensions or whether they will have enough meds to control their diabetes etc

Disgusting leadership going back years
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I know you keep quoting this but they're not going to change the rules just for Jeremy. Yes a CU/SM solution would break the deadlock, the negotiations , however, might not quite go the way Jeremy expects, as they didn't for Theresa.
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Thanks for clearing that up, I'll let the President of the European Council know it won't work.
 
Smores said:
No it's just to the extension, the date is arbitrary. A country can't be forced to leave and have the right to withdraw that was the ruling.

Interested in sources that say otherwise
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Sorry don't have any to hand, as I said in my post I wasn't sure this was the case. There is so much to read about Brexit and related issues, and much of it is opinion rather than fact (something you might say I was guilty of!), but it did seem logical that if the whole 27 have to agree to the extending of the date, then they would have to agree any changes made in that extension and if they didn't agree then when the extension date runs out, does the default case apply once more?

Anyway you seemed to have sorted that, so thanks!
 
Paul the Wolf said:
You know it won't work as well as I do. You were laughing at May's attempts at negotiations, he's trying for the same thing just worded differently.
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It's quite clear the EU are far more open to Labours position and for good reason, not every element will be achievable but the red lines at least work as an achievable path forward and as per the NI special arrangement which was "unachievable" they might be some surprising concessions.

It's all moot though as it hasn't and won't pass parlaiment because a lot of it is brexit in name only.
 
golden_blunder said:
Could take years.

Ordinary people should never have been left in the position whereby they are worrying about their jobs, pensions or whether they will have enough meds to control their diabetes etc

Disgusting leadership going back years
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Totally agree. All for the sake of a pack of lies and unrealistic promises.
When you boil it down the two prime culprits are Farage and the worst PM ever smiling David Cameron.
 
TheGame said:
WTF is this shite:



Gammonball Run!
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If they are so dam sure that "the will of the people" is to leave, then shouldn't they be saying bring it on? They leavers are running scared, they are terrified that there will be an overwhelming majority for remain. That's the only explanation I can think of why they are so dead against a 2nd referendum.

It's a bit like the whole call a general election thing, you aren't going to call an election unless you think you are going to win it.
 
Adisa said:
Another Grayling special.
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Good job people like him are still in the cabinet whilst May sacks Ministers for having the temerity to propose amendments to bills that she, err, whips the government to vote for.
 
Sassy Colin said:
If they are so dam sure that "the will of the people" is to leave, then shouldn't they be saying bring it on? They leavers are running scared, they are terrified that there will be an overwhelming majority for remain. That's the only explanation I can think of why they are so dead against a 2nd referendum.

It's a bit like the whole call a general election thing, you aren't going to call an election unless you think you are going to win it.
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Heard today the main protagonists aren’t even waking the whole distance but getting bussed from location to location and people being charged £50 to walk,what a joke.
 
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Smores said:
It's quite clear the EU are far more open to Labours position and for good reason, not every element will be achievable but the red lines at least work as an achievable path forward and as per the NI special arrangement which was "unachievable" they might be some surprising concessions.

It's all moot though as it hasn't and won't pass parliament because a lot of it is brexit in name only.
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Yes they're open for the UK to remain in the CU and SM but that's not what Corbyn wants.

He wants to be able to act out their own trade policy and not accept the 4 freedoms, he hasn't mentioned how much he's going to pay for the privilege and as he says he wants to keep all the benefits of being in the EU.

As you said it'll never get through parliament as it has already been voted down twice. It's a joke.
 
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