Tbh, most of the usa players are actually from India and have represented India at junior level.
Argentina players singing racist chant targeting French players after Copa America final
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Ah, Angola. The famous French colony where they still speak French today.
maybe it's for rhyming purposes
I think sometimes as a black person, you try not to be too sensitive to every comment or action that can be interpreted as racism. You may rationalise the behaviour and try to figure out another plausible justification for it. The thing is though, sometimes hate is just hate. The Argentinian fans and players are just to doing what people do when they want to hit you where it hurts, but they can't think of anything clever. They usually refer to race.
And there are people who support these knobheads because of messi
I presume the Premier League will be banning Fernandez? Cavani got done for racism that wasn't even a fraction as egregious or offensive as this.
And I don't buy that it isn't under their jurisdiction or whatever. Cavani's was a social media post. Fernandez' was a social media post.
And I don't buy that it isn't under their jurisdiction or whatever. Cavani's was a social media post. Fernandez' was a social media post.
Nah, Camavinga was born in a refugee camp in Angola to parents who fled DR Congo during the civil war, before moving to France aged two.
I'm sure the reference was discussing the geopolitical complexities of the Congolese diaspora.
For something like this, where a busload of players were signing it, FIFA will be handing out all the bans.
The Trevor Noah's bit has been criticized to hell and back by French players themselves in 2018. It's not a good point to make in this situation.
Mandatory reading
Mandatory reading
good catch, racists are, if nothing else, very subtle with their political messages, highly educated folk
Wishing injury on a player
Ban the cnut. Or at least break his leg on matchday 1.
They must. Otherwise you have to ask the question whether it is different rule only for utd players.
I'm sure it's a sign of affection in Argentina or something.
But more seriously, racism in South America is very rife, and in some places such as Argentina, it is a lot more pronounced given their post WW2 context, among other underlying factors.
However, if they are pointing at the fact that these French players aren't "French" and French football is stealing talent from other nations, then many of these Argentine players have roots outside of Argentina, which would make the entire thing hypocritical.
But more seriously, racism in South America is very rife, and in some places such as Argentina, it is a lot more pronounced given their post WW2 context, among other underlying factors.
However, if they are pointing at the fact that these French players aren't "French" and French football is stealing talent from other nations, then many of these Argentine players have roots outside of Argentina, which would make the entire thing hypocritical.
@Gandalf Greyhame has broken it down for you well to understand but in case you're still not sure, here's some more.
Healthy banter?
In the fan clip circulating you see a reporter put a microphone in front of a group of Argentinian fans who then proceed to sing the song. The reporter clearly becomes quite uncomfortable with the chant.
Enzo Fernandez himself tried to stop the recording of the chant during his stream, clearly because he either a) knew it wasnt appropriate or b) someone told him to stop recording.
These things don't happen if the chant is innocent banter.
France poaches players and talents from Africa?
No, no they dont. Most of those players (if not all) grew up in France. Born in France, lived in France, learnt how to play football in France.
These players have exposure, have colleagues and friends who have roots in Africa and play for Franch/Netherlands/Germany etc. Can we not assume the best in them and think that all this is not coming from a bad place.
Don't worry, its coming from a bad place. That place is called Argentina, one of the most historically racist countries in the world. If it smells like a fart, if it tastes like a fart, its a fart.
And finally, perhaps most crucially, Enzo has already been unfollowed by a dozen Chelsea players, all of whom are the 'victims' of this chant.
And if you know anything about colonisation, racism, national identity you'd understand why those Chelsea players would take issue with one of their own team mates taking part in such a chant.
As i've said these players were all born, grew up in, learnt to play football, in France. To them France is their nationality, to them France is their country. Just because they happen to have descendants from outside of France doesnt make them any less French. And you can pretty much guarantee that at some point in many of their lives growing up, their Frenchness would have been questioned and it absolutely would have offended them. It falls along the lines of "Where are you from?" "No, where are you really from?"
Notice how Giroud (having Italian decent) or Greizmann (German decent) werent referenced in that song and that's because they're white. But I'm sure to Argentines they're "proper French" because god forbid Black people claim nationality from anywhere outside of Africa.....
So yeah, throw all that in and if you still come to the conclusion its not racist then well, that's evolution for you...
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Enzo Fernandez apology
The twitter account is probably not his but the screenshot is from his ig story.
Even the font is offensive
Trying to take seriously the claim that it's not racist, that the song is mocking France and not the black French players. Why, then, are they in the same breath hurling homophobic and transphobic slurs at the very same players they're supposedly not mocking?
Seems a bit strange.
Seems a bit strange.
Quality control
It does not have to be factually correct for people to want to mock. You are not understanding my message. I am not saying this, I am saying if this is what they are making fun of, is it that bad? They could be born or raised frenchmen, they could be naturalized citizens, does it really matter?
Dark skin? There is no reference to that.
I am trying to see if there is a case of benefit of doubt here.
The apology is step one. Bit of a meh apology but there needed to be some kind of remorseful statement from Enzo at some point. I’m guessing a Chelsea statement will follow soon.
Yeah the homophobic and transphobic elements of this seems to have been lost in all the noise.
The element of benefit of doubt here is that they might just be really thick idiots that got carried away, not fully convinced racists singing their manifesto.
He's gotta have a chat with the french guys at Chelsea and I wanna see their reaction before he's off my "get fecked" list.
A little eh. The whole thing is obvioualy meant to sting and hurt, and that only works if what they're singing is meant as an insult.
FIFA is going to hit them with some bans to show that they mean business with their "no room for racism" message. This is an easy tap-in for them.
Unh?
People still naive enough to think a player wouldn’t participate in such chants because he represents Manchester United 
It's an interesting interpretation, though. "Hey, Angolan, we are just pointing out that you have ancestors not born in France. We are simply pointing out a fact, or possibly referencing France's colonial history, but it's not about you personally. By the way, you're a f*ggot and a tr*nnyfecker."
Doesn't quite roll off the tounge.
No way he knows what euphoria means
You have to see it as a footnote: they're often non-sequiturs with tidbits of vaguely interesting information. (At least in the book I'm reading now.) I'm just not sure what's the core message and what's the footnote here.
Yes, it's that bad. I explained why. They have been dealing with this kind of racism all their lives. Do you know how many times they have been told they're not really French or to go back to Africa?
There's no reference to the colour of their skin explicitly, but it's obviously implied. Like another poster said, they're not singing this about Griezmann's or Giroud's roots. They don't say this kind of stuff when you have roots in another white country.
Dickheads
Ignoring the context that words are said in is extremely stupid. Racism goes beyond "HEY THAT GUY HAS MORE MELANIN AND THAT MAKES ME MAD".
Given the current political climate where immigration is being hugely scrutinized and is one of the main talking points of racist right-wing political parties, you cannot possibly argue in good faith that this is some sort of misunderstanding. There is no benefit of the doubt, this is unacceptable and needs to be eradicated from society.
It's hilarious seeing bozos twisting and turning to defend this. In the same video you hear "corta el vivo/cut the live" because they know how abhorrent they were being, but somehow there's a defence force here.
European descendants should be required to get out of Latin America, USA, CANZUK by their own racist logic.
Bentancur saying the stuff about Son a few weeks ago aswell.
Going to be some very awkward pre season meet ups in a few weeks.
The complexity of the chant indicates to me it just wasn't made up on the spot either. Think Duffer has it right that they probably sing it in the changing rooms but not on film compared to this so as captain Messi and also Scaloni will be complicit in this aswell.
The first part just sounds like the regular Copa. I’m sure the French prefer the Euros.
ANYONE who has ever been on a bus after winning a title knows that team chants are team chants… you don’t get just 4 or 5 people doing them. They have probably been doing this chant since the last World Cup.
Why target France and Mbappe with a chant at all?(I have been told certain lines in the song are in reference to rumors about Mbappe)Why wouldn’t it be chants mocking Brazil or another South American rival?
Someone or some group of Argentina players seems to have a personal competitive grudge against Mbappe and France. There really wouldn’t be an explanation for why they would bother singing this after the Copa if that wasn’t the case.